Gun and Ammo Tax

[DaVinci 0]

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Why do people need all those guns?

You may not like the 2nd, but it exists.

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Let's see, 670 victims of gun violence times $52k each, equals $35 million!

Here is a thought, lets tax crimes!

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Something's got to be done about those 440 murders in Chicago so far this year. That's intolerable

Well we know a gun ban didn't work.

[DaVinci 0]

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Unless the guns were all stolen from the factory, they were once legally purchased

Then taxing cars will prevent drunk drivers just as well.

[DaVinci 0]

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Then how did they get there? Unless stolen directly from the factory, they were once legally purchased to get into rotation.

It was kind of a tongue in cheek statement. But now I am interested in finding out which other ways guns get into illegal hands without ever there have been a legal transfer of ownership.

The same way drugs get into Chicago.

[SkyDekker 1,150]

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The same way drugs get into Chicago.

Not the same. Drug manufacturing is illegal. Hence the drugs are illegal from the start.

Gun manufacturing isn't illegal, hence guns are not illegal from the start.

Most guns were at some point legal. Most drugs were not.

(now before you get too much sand in your vagine, that doesn't mean I am advocating for a gun ban in the US)

[DaVinci 0]

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Not the same. Drug manufacturing is illegal. Hence the drugs are illegal from the start.

Gun manufacturing isn't illegal, hence guns are not illegal from the start

So you are telling me that an AK being used in Afghanistan was legally made?

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now before you get too much sand in your vagine

Ah, nice that you can't have a discussion without a childish personal attack.

[SkyDekker 1,150]

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So you are telling me that an AK being used in Afghanistan was legally made?

Unless there was a law prohibiting its manufacture covering the locale of its manufacture, I see no reason why it would be illegal at time of manufacture.

[normiss 635]

So, then can I get the tax exemption for using the ammo on my own private range just like I write off the highway tax on gas???

[DaVinci 0]

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Unless there was a law prohibiting its manufacture covering the locale of its manufacture, I see no reason why it would be illegal at time of manufacture.

So you know or don't you?

Also you should know that many weapons were made during occupations... I would not call those 'legally made'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82yskawica_submachine_gun

So your claim that "all guns were made legally" is false.

There are also plenty of places where growing pot is not illegal. Iran, Peru, Switzerland in some Cantons, and even in some US States (CO with permit, and University of Mississippi has been growing marijuana for the federal government's little-known medical marijuana program)

So your claim that "all drugs were grown illegally" is also false.

[SkyDekker 1,150]

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So your claim that "all guns were made legally" is false.

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"all drugs were grown illegally"

Lol, I like how you added "all" to the "quotes" so you can argue.

It certainly isn't the case in all circumstances. But in most circumstances, related to the US, which this thread was about, it is true.

Most illegal guns in circulation in the US, were at one point legal. Should this not be the case, then we would see significant monies spent on stopping the illegal manufacturing of those guns.

Heck, even the NRA would be in favour of that, since it would help the legal manufacturers.

[DaVinci 0]

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It certainly isn't the case in all circumstances. But in most circumstances, related to the US, which this thread was about, it is true.

Massive assumption on your part.... You do know that CO and MS are States in the US right? We are talking about the US and you keep trying to say that drugs are only grown illegally.

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Heck, even the NRA would be in favour of that, since it would help the legal manufacturers.

The NRA is also against Felons having a gun... Something you seem to ignore.

[SkyDekker 1,150]

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Massive assumption on your part.... You do know that CO and MS are States in the US right? We are talking about the US and you keep trying to say that drugs are only grown illegally

There you go adding your own words again lol

I never said only...and if you honestly think that the majority of street drugs are legally grown in CO and MS...well than I have some wonderfully expensive real estate to sell

Next you are going to tell me MJ is legal in The Netherlands.

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The NRA is also against Felons having a gun... Something you seem to ignore.

Exactly, and that is great. Not sure why you think am ignoring that...but that you have shown a bit of a propensity to add things to fit your own views.

Now, don't you think that if the majority of illegal guns in circulation in the US were from an illegally manufactured source, they would not be all over that? Don't you think they would want to protect the legal manufacturing companies?

[DaVinci 0]

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There you go adding your own words again lol

And there you return to your old standard of playing the player when you have nothing else to fall back on... It really is boring as well as dishonest.

You claimed guns were made legally... I showed you they were not. You claimed drugs were grown illegally... I again showed you to be wrong.

Now you play nit pick games since your argument has been proven to be false... This the best you have?

[davjohns 1]

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News story: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/15644719-418/cook-county-mulling-violence-tax-on-guns-and-ammunition.html

Good idea! Let those who want to cling to their guns pay the costs associated with gun-clinging. The rest of civilized society that chooses to live without guns and violence, shouldn't have to pay for what the gunnies do.

Not a problem. Just put an equal tax on free speech, free press, religion, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, voting, (you see where this is going, right?).

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[funjumper101 15]

The practicing Socialist has to refer to fables with origins that date back thousands of years to live a happy life. This only works if you pick and choose which parts of the book of fables you choose to believe in. For example, the parts about slaves, how to get them, and how to treat them, apparently don't apply anymore. Neither do the parts about not eating fish on Friday, the parts about polygamous marriage, and the parts about killing the non-believers ASAP.

What an odd way to lead life.

Taxing guns and ammo a lot would help the revenue issues that government has now would be a really good way to help resolve the issue. One could even call it patriotic to chip in to help fix the problem.

[RonD1120 58]

You still do not know what you are talking about. I am happy. You appear not so much.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 635]

It would be tons more patriotic to stop wasting money the way the government is.
They don't need more money.
They need less government.