CSpenceFLY 1 #1 August 4, 2012 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/westboro-baptist-church-congress_n_1737106.html So, will all of the people that were at Chick-fila on Wed. supporting freedom of speech be standing up against this new law? QuoteThe Honoring America’s Veterans and Caring for Camp Lejeune Families Act of 2012 includes a measure that bans the picketing of military funerals two hours before or after a service Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #2 August 4, 2012 The root of the question here, IMO, is - what does it mean to live in a civilized society?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #3 August 4, 2012 As offensive as I find them, I would not want to see their right to free speech curbed. It's the price we pay to live in a free society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #4 August 4, 2012 QuoteAs offensive as I find them, I would not want to see their right to free speech curbed. It's the price we pay to live in a free society. This is not a free society. Westboro can go to hell...WE made this happen. Any freedoms you have is by God's grace.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #5 August 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteAs offensive as I find them, I would not want to see their right to free speech curbed. It's the price we pay to live in a free society. Westboro Baptist is a perfect example of scenarios that the framers could never have imagined 225 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #6 August 4, 2012 Quotehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/westboro-baptist-church-congress_n_1737106.html So, will all of the people that were at Chick-fila on Wed. supporting freedom of speech be standing up against this new law? QuoteThe Honoring America’s Veterans and Caring for Camp Lejeune Families Act of 2012 includes a measure that bans the picketing of military funerals two hours before or after a service I ride with the Patriot Guard Riders and yesterday we stood in respect for another KIA soldier. Right now I am waiting to see if BHO vetoes it because it counters the USSC ruling.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #7 August 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteAs offensive as I find them, I would not want to see their right to free speech curbed. It's the price we pay to live in a free society. Westboro Baptist is a perfect example of scenarios that the framers could never have imagined 225 years ago. I belong to several veteran's organizations. The Patriot Guard Riders, although not restricted to veterans is largely so, is the best for fellowship of them all. The great irony is that the PGR would not exist were it not for the WBC.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #8 August 4, 2012 I thought our freedoms were granted in the Constitution? I do not remember reading about 'god' there.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #9 August 4, 2012 Hey me and Ron agree on something....... Would be nice to see 2000 PGR's surround the dozen or so WBC's and watch them shit their pants..... do nothing but close in on them..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hermes70 0 #10 August 4, 2012 QuoteI thought our freedoms were granted in the Constitution? Incorrect. The Constitution just enumerates those freedoms and orders the federal government to protect them. But those freedoms themselves are inherent rights in natural law, which everyone deserves as human beings. Do your homework and look that one up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #11 August 4, 2012 Well, 'natural laws' were created by man, and if they were truly 'natural' and denoted freedoms then swine and fowl would share in those same laws- but they (amongst most other species) do not And natural laws have nothing to do with god, especially if you do not believe in gods.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #12 August 4, 2012 QuoteI thought our freedoms were granted in the Constitution? I do not remember reading about 'god' there.... Oh, he's mentioned in there.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #13 August 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteI thought our freedoms were granted in the Constitution? I do not remember reading about 'god' there.... Oh, he's mentioned in there. http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html I searched for "God" and "Christian" - didn't find any hits in the text. Not saying you're wrong, just saying I can't find the reference to which you are referring. Edit: After some research it appears that god is not mentioned in any way in the Constitution. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #14 August 4, 2012 +1 The words do not say 'god' anywhere. Your interpretation might....but interpretations of the Constitution are generally the exclusivity of the realm of the Supreme Court, which refers to, and only to, the Constitution for its rulings..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #15 August 4, 2012 Oh, He's mention in there...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #16 August 4, 2012 The ONLY mention can be found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". Which was the customary way of writing out dates. Not religious in any form or fashion. Try again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #17 August 4, 2012 QuoteWhich was the customary way of writing out dates. Not religious in any form or fashion. So what...He's still mentioned in there.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #18 August 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI thought our freedoms were granted in the Constitution? I do not remember reading about 'god' there.... Oh, he's mentioned in there. http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html I searched for "God" and "Christian" - didn't find any hits in the text. Not saying you're wrong, just saying I can't find the reference to which you are referring. Edit: After some research it appears that god is not mentioned in any way in the Constitution. Ian Now what about the Declaration of Independence? Aren't these two documents to be examined jointly? Or, did I miss something in the old school?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #19 August 4, 2012 No, the declaration of independence is independent of the Constitution, they are not 'chapters' of the same document. And if you want to lump all the documents together, then you would also have to include the Treaty of Tripoli and dozens of Supreme Court rulings. Been down this road so many fucking times, it actually no longer interests me, i bores me. The guys who wrote the Constitution were some pretty frickin' smart guys. And they had plenty of forethought and debate. And they had EVERY opportunity to write Christianity and/or God into the Constitution... but they did not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #20 August 4, 2012 QuoteBeen down this road so many fucking times Ya, and it's funny watching you guys squirm around as your eyes roll back and you heads spin around every time.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #21 August 4, 2012 http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html The only reference to god in this document is "Natures God". I wouldn't call that a Christian reference (although I could see how someone of Christian faith would take it that way). IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #22 August 4, 2012 Nah, we just roll our eyes at the absurdity that christians feel the need to interject their made up world into reality. It's quite silly actually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #23 August 4, 2012 Quotehttp://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html The only reference to god in this document is "Natures God". I wouldn't call that a Christian reference (although I could see how someone of Christian faith would take it that way). Ian I always looked at this part: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--" When I was in school, the term Creator had one meaning. For me it still does.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #24 August 4, 2012 squirm baby, squirm...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #25 August 4, 2012 'creator' does not mean 'god' and life liberty and pursuit of happiness is not in the bible nor part of any Christian doctrine. Those 'rights' you speak of are man-made Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
