rehmwa 2 #26 February 20, 2012 Quote Quote nope, don't care. people live and die. It's sad for her friends and family, I'm sure and I wish them comfort. she had a great voice for sure The fuss is absurd. It's not as if she died saving kids from a burning building, or finding a cure for ebola, or protecting Afghan civilians from terrorist attack. Those are the folks we should honor, not washed up chemically enhanced entertainers. Whitney was a working mother. Clearly you don't consider brave working mothers to be heroic. How sad is that kind of parochial and misogynistic view of women. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,643 #27 February 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNot sure of your point. However, the criteria for a PGR escort and or flagline is a request from the family for a deceased veteran or first responder. Just curious if you considered those who put their lives and health on the line to fight diseases, working in the poorest and most dangerous areas of the world, to be "heroes" worthy of honor. Question answered, thanks. Don His statement that PGR rolls at the request of the family for a deceased veteran or first responder answers your question about who he personally considers heroes? You snipped an important, limiting constraint. The actions of the PGR on request *regardless* of your additions, is applicable to whom Ron personally considers heroes *how*, exactly? Because he's a LEADER in the organization.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #28 February 20, 2012 There was a thread in the bonfire for her that was at least a little bit nicer than this one: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4272383#4272383 I wasn't a fan, so I wasn't affected by her death. But, having known a lot of people who have had problems with alcohol and other drugs, I always hate to see another person die that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 February 20, 2012 Quotehaving known a lot of people who have had problems with alcohol and other drugs well, was their struggle heroic? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 February 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNot sure of your point. However, the criteria for a PGR escort and or flagline is a request from the family for a deceased veteran or first responder. Just curious if you considered those who put their lives and health on the line to fight diseases, working in the poorest and most dangerous areas of the world, to be "heroes" worthy of honor. Question answered, thanks. Don His statement that PGR rolls at the request of the family for a deceased veteran or first responder answers your question about who he personally considers heroes? You snipped an important, limiting constraint. The actions of the PGR on request *regardless* of your additions, is applicable to whom Ron personally considers heroes *how*, exactly? Because he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,643 #31 February 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteNot sure of your point. However, the criteria for a PGR escort and or flagline is a request from the family for a deceased veteran or first responder. Just curious if you considered those who put their lives and health on the line to fight diseases, working in the poorest and most dangerous areas of the world, to be "heroes" worthy of honor. Question answered, thanks. Don His statement that PGR rolls at the request of the family for a deceased veteran or first responder answers your question about who he personally considers heroes? You snipped an important, limiting constraint. The actions of the PGR on request *regardless* of your additions, is applicable to whom Ron personally considers heroes *how*, exactly? Because he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that? Forgot your reading glasses today?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 February 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteBecause he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that? Forgot your reading glasses today? I don't need reading glasses to figure out that a Ride Captain wouldn't be setting policy for a nat'l organization.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #33 February 20, 2012 QuoteQuotehaving known a lot of people who have had problems with alcohol and other drugs well, was their struggle heroic? It's sort of a personal thing and not really my place to judge. But many people who have overcome alcohol/drug addiction have said it's the hardest thing they've ever done (and some of these people have some pretty impressive achievements in their lives). But, regarding Whitney, I don't think she was being honored for her personal struggles. She was being honored as an artist, and whether one likes her particular music or not, I think most of us can agree that art/music has a huge impact on people's lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 February 20, 2012 Quote I think most of us can agree that art/music has a huge impact on people's lives. I can agree that it has a huge impact on weak minded people at least for the rest of us, it's just entertainment. it has its value, but it's not transcendent in any way -if they think it is, then they aren't giving themselves enough credit - people create their own impact (I'm actually in this part of the cycle just because people are being pissy to each other about the whole 'what do YOU call a hero' thing - it's a place for mockery and fun - clearly it will have a huge impact on people's lives ) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #35 February 20, 2012 OK, I should have known better than to give you a serious answer. (Or to make a serious post in SC at all.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #36 February 20, 2012 Here's my sympathy for Whitney Houston. Posted this to my FB account after seeing all the media attention, and have since seen it copied and posted by hundreds of others. *** Define tragedy: a ten year old child receiving a folded flag in place of a parent returning from combat, or a parent being killed in a car accident on the way to work. A crackhead dying at 48 years old isn't a tragedy, it's expected and deserving of no sorrow or pity. And the sadness felt by loved ones should be guilt and shame instead for not intervening sooner to save the life of someone they claimed they loved. She smoked crack, she died early, it's called life, try not to fuck it up.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #37 February 20, 2012 If and when those facts come to light, I would agree. Personally I would consider Whitney's passing somewhat more sad if this turns out to be a bad script cocktail. Or that with sleepy drowning even. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #38 February 20, 2012 Quotewow, that's about as useful as me accusing you of not considering fathers, working mothers, boy scouts, and teachers to be heroes it's a pointless and obstructive strawman and you guys know it frankly, words like "hero" are another example of total overuse by emotionally over the top weirdos Yep, my hurried response came out worse than I had intended. Of course Ron and his associates have every right to honor whoever they wish to, and obviously they couldn't honor everyone who was deserving even if they wanted to. I agree the term "hero" is sadly overworked, to the point where it is virtually meaningless. Every single fire fighter in the country is a hero? I don't agree that you have to wear a uniform to be a hero, but that's just my perspective. Others are entitled to theirs. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #39 February 20, 2012 Quote Quote wow, that's about as useful as me accusing you of not considering fathers, working mothers, boy scouts, and teachers to be heroes it's a pointless and obstructive strawman and you guys know it frankly, words like "hero" are another example of total overuse by emotionally over the top weirdos Yep, my hurried response came out worse than I had intended. Of course Ron and his associates have every right to honor whoever they wish to, and obviously they couldn't honor everyone who was deserving even if they wanted to. I agree the term "hero" is sadly overworked, to the point where it is virtually meaningless. Every single fire fighter in the country is a hero? I don't agree that you have to wear a uniform to be a hero, but that's just my perspective. Others are entitled to theirs. Don well crap - that pretty much took the wind right out of my sails you're my hero ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #40 February 20, 2012 QuoteIf and when those facts come to light, I would agree. Personally I would consider Whitney's passing somewhat more sad if this turns out to be a bad script cocktail. Or that with sleepy drowning even. Which facts are you referring to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #41 February 20, 2012 That her death is drug related. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #42 February 20, 2012 QuoteThat her death is drug related. Oh, OK. From what I've read, it sounds like it was likely a combination of alcohol and prescription drugs, but of course I don't know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #43 February 20, 2012 Agreed....but there have been some lab surprises before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #44 February 20, 2012 QuoteAgreed....but there have been some lab surprises before. Yep, I remember the big lab surprise when it turned out that the drug that killed Amy Winehouse was alcohol. The folks who had been on their high horses talking about "druggies" just sort of disappeared when it turned out to be the world's favorite drug that killed her. (Actually, it was no big surprise, seeing as alcohol is the drug that kills far more people than any other drug.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #45 February 20, 2012 I too shared those suspicions for Amy Winehouse. Hence my reservation of all the blame on drugs alone in this case. We need to stop coddling the "stars". By "we" I mean the labels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #46 February 21, 2012 My belief is that people should be honored by those who wish to honor them. Others who don’t give a shit are okay, as well. Others who wish to celebrate her passing? That’s fine. Nobody should be morally coerced into honoring or dishonoring a person. I don’t have any interest in honoring Whitney Houston. She didn’t mean anything to me, personally. It doesn’t make me any less human or mean. It just means that I have other things I’m viewing as more important. It does not minimize others’ loss. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,643 #47 February 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that? Forgot your reading glasses today? I don't need reading glasses to figure out that a Ride Captain wouldn't be setting policy for a nat'l organization. It's a voluntary leadership role, ergo he is a leader and implicitly approves of their policies, or he would quit.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #48 February 21, 2012 I was just wondering.... did the Westside Baptist protesters show up near her funeral? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that? Forgot your reading glasses today? I don't need reading glasses to figure out that a Ride Captain wouldn't be setting policy for a nat'l organization. It's a voluntary leadership role, ergo he is a leader and implicitly approves of their policies, or he would quit. Which STILL does not mean that he sets policy as to whom is honored or not. Nice attempt at a dodge, however.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,643 #50 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that? Forgot your reading glasses today? I don't need reading glasses to figure out that a Ride Captain wouldn't be setting policy for a nat'l organization. It's a voluntary leadership role, ergo he is a leader and implicitly approves of their policies, or he would quit. Which STILL does not mean that he sets policy as to whom is honored or not. . Where did I write that he sets policy? You need to get reading glasses.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
