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Obama didn't close Guantanamo Bay, didn't end the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, didn't lower taxes on the middle and lower class, didn't raise taxes on the upper class, did raise spending, did renew the Patriot Act, etc...

PS: When will people realize that if they want real change they can't continue to vote for Republicans and Democrats?
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didn't lower taxes on the middle and lower class,



He lowered payroll taxes. This is a lower tax on everybody with earned income, which includes most of the middle and lower classes. I do not think this was a particularly fiscally responsible thing to do but he did lower taxes for lower and middle class workers.
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Obama can't change any of that without Congress to help him. Considering that Republicans have controlled Congress for the duration of his tenure, the only thing that he managed to get passed of any significance was the Healthcare financing law, whereupon he exercised his leadership in forming a bipartisan alliance to provide the most important bill since . Republicans have fought him tooth and nail on every other initiative.

That's the reason why. Te President has been hamstrung.


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Considering that Republicans have controlled Congress for the duration of his tenure,



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Obama didn't close Guantanamo Bay, didn't end the war in Iraq or Afghanistan, didn't lower taxes on the middle and lower class, didn't raise taxes on the upper class, did raise spending, did renew the Patriot Act, etc...

PS: When will people realize that if they want real change they can't continue to vote for Republicans and Democrats?[/reply



Your wrong. while not huge tax breaks, 95% paid up to
$800 a year less in federal income tax under Obama. ( the payroll tax cut is a whole other matter) Obama also extended the Bush tax cuts. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of Americans are paying less income tax under Obama.

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Your wrong. while not huge tax breaks, 95% paid up to $800 a year less in federal income tax under Obama. ( the payroll tax cut is a whole other matter) Obama also extended the Bush tax cuts. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of Americans are paying less income tax under Obama.



Okay, I'm wrong about taxes (with the exception of extending the Bush tax cuts because that's not change) ... anything else? Still doesn't amount to much change.
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Okay, I'm wrong about taxes ... anything else? Still doesn't amount to much change.



Since you asked, Obama never promised to get us out of Afghanistan. He always said the fight should be against those who attacked us on 911 and not Iraq.

Watch the news, we are in the process of leaving Iraq by the end of the year. (except for 5000 troops)

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-20/politics/obama.afghanistan_1_presumptive-democratic-presidential-nominee-afghanistan-afghan-president-hamid-karzai?_s=PM:POLITICS

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Your wrong. while not huge tax breaks, 95% paid up to $800 a year less in federal income tax under Obama. ( the payroll tax cut is a whole other matter) Obama also extended the Bush tax cuts. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of Americans are paying less income tax under Obama.



Okay, I'm wrong about taxes (with the exception of extending the Bush tax cuts because that's not change) ... anything else? Still doesn't amount to much change.



no you are correct, the cut was in SS not in fed income tax. once again the idiots in washington messed up. Why would they reduce the income on a program that is already in trouble? drilling a bigger hole in the boat won't keep it afloat longer.

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Your wrong. while not huge tax breaks, 95% paid up to $800 a year less in federal income tax under Obama. ( the payroll tax cut is a whole other matter) Obama also extended the Bush tax cuts. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of Americans are paying less income tax under Obama.



Okay, I'm wrong about taxes (with the exception of extending the Bush tax cuts because that's not change) ... anything else? Still doesn't amount to much change.



no you are correct, the cut was in SS not in fed income tax. once again the idiots in washington messed up. Why would they reduce the income on a program that is already in trouble? drilling a bigger hole in the boat won't keep it afloat longer.



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didn't lower taxes on the middle and lower class



it is YOU who are wrong. SS tax is still a tax. Butters didn't mention "income".
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Your wrong. while not huge tax breaks, 95% paid up to
$800 a year less in federal income tax under Obama. ( the payroll tax cut is a whole other matter) Obama also extended the Bush tax cuts. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of Americans are paying less income tax under Obama.



Got a cite for that, skippy?
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Watch the news, we are in the process of leaving Iraq by the end of the year. (except for 5000 troops)



Yes, Obama is abiding by the treaty that *Bush* signed with the Iraqis for withdrawal...and your point is?
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Since you asked, Obama never promised to get us out of Afghanistan. He always said the fight should be against those who attacked us on 911 and not Iraq.

Watch the news, we are in the process of leaving Iraq by the end of the year. (except for 5000 troops)



I didn't mention what Obama promised, just what Obama hasn't changed. As far as leaving Iraq, I'll believe it when I see it (and determine what the 5,000 troops are doing). After all, Guantanamo Bay is still open. :|
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Watch the news, we are in the process of leaving Iraq by the end of the year. (except for 5000 troops)



Yes, Obama is abiding by the treaty that *Bush* signed with the Iraqis for withdrawal...and your point is?




Exactly, the OP said he was not. Did you also notice the OP was wrong on income taxes and Afghanistan?

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no you are correct, the cut was in SS not in fed income tax. once again the idiots in washington messed up. Why would they reduce the income on a program that is already in trouble? drilling a bigger hole in the boat won't keep it afloat longer.



you are wrong.

http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N46/long4.html



That was the SocSec tax reduction, not income tax.

*YOU* are wrong.
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Watch the news, we are in the process of leaving Iraq by the end of the year. (except for 5000 troops)



Yes, Obama is abiding by the treaty that *Bush* signed with the Iraqis for withdrawal...and your point is?




Exactly, the OP said he was not. Did you also notice the OP was wrong on income taxes and Afghanistan?



5k troops isn't 'out of Iraq', and SocSec tax isn't income tax.

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no you are correct, the cut was in SS not in fed income tax. once again the idiots in washington messed up. Why would they reduce the income on a program that is already in trouble? drilling a bigger hole in the boat won't keep it afloat longer.



you are wrong.

http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N46/long4.html



That was the SocSec tax reduction, not income tax.

*YOU* are wrong.



The word "income" did not appear in Butters' OP rant, he just mentioned taxes.

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... didn't lower taxes on the middle and lower class,



Fact is that TAXES have gone down on the middle and lower class.
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Watch the news, we are in the process of leaving Iraq by the end of the year. (except for 5000 troops)



Yes, Obama is abiding by the treaty that *Bush* signed with the Iraqis for withdrawal...and your point is?



Exactly, the OP said he was not.



I said no such thing. I said we haven't ended the war in Iraq. As of this moment, we haven't.

PS: If we do end the war in Iraq based on something from Bush under Obama it isn't change.
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The word "income" did not appear in Butters' OP rant, he just mentioned taxes.



This is correct.

PS: Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it a rant.



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***no you are correct, the cut was in SS not in fed income tax. once again the idiots in washington messed up. Why would they reduce the income on a program that is already in trouble? drilling a bigger hole in the boat won't keep it afloat longer.



you are wrong.

http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N46/long4.html



That was the SocSec tax reduction, not income tax.

*YOU* are wrong.




Is the below information not true?


http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/09/obama_bush_taxes.html


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President Obama has also signed two major pieces of tax-cutting legisltion into law. The first, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, included a variety of tax cuts that benefited nearly every single American household. ARRA contained the Making Work Pay tax credit that directly reduced a family’s income tax bill by up to $800, which, overall, reduced tax revenue by about $116 billion. It included expansions of the child, earned income, American Opportunity, and first-time homebuyer tax credits. ARRA patched up the alternative minimum tax, providing $70 billion in tax cuts, and cut a wide array of business taxes, together totaling another $60 billion.

All told, the Recovery Act included $243 billion worth of tax cuts through 2012.

Nearly two years after signing his first big tax cut bill into law, President Obama completely outdid himself by signing the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010, commonly known as the December 2010 tax deal. The biggest element of the December deal was the extension, for two additional years, of all the Bush tax cuts and alternative minimum tax relief, at a two-year combined cost of more than $400 billion.

In addition, the deal extended a variety of business tax cuts and incentives, which reduced revenues by some $150 billion, and it cut the estate tax—a tax paid by only a very few super-wealthy, massive estates—by $65 billion. The December tax bill also cut the payroll tax paid by employees by 2 percentage points, delivering more than $110 billion in tax cuts to working Americans.



You are straight up wrong, all these screaming tea baggers wanting a tax cut, and they don't even know they got one.

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