marks2065 0 #76 October 21, 2011 QuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, how many good ideas have been shelved because of the political system. I am not saying that the 999 plan is good or bad ( i think it has some good points that need to be looked into) but the one we have now is definately not good and we need to look at all options. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #77 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, . National Review IS part of the right. Clearly some of the folks on the right recognize Cain's nonsense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #78 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, . National Review IS part of the right. Clearly some of the folks on the right recognize Cain's nonsense. Everyone is bashing it, even others in the recent debate, the problem they see with 999 is that it takes the money and control out of Washington. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #79 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, . National Review IS part of the right. Clearly some of the folks on the right recognize Cain's nonsense. Everyone is bashing it, even others in the recent debate, the problem they see with 999 is that it takes the money and control out of Washington. It's nonsense, poorly thought out nonsense. www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/herman-cain... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #80 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, . National Review IS part of the right. Clearly some of the folks on the right recognize Cain's nonsense. Everyone is bashing it, even others in the recent debate, the problem they see with 999 is that it takes the money and control out of Washington. It's nonsense, poorly thought out nonsense. www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/herman-cain Is that what you teach your students? just bash any Idea and close your mind to it? You are telling me there is not one good idea in his plan? not one little piece of the entire plan that could be good? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #81 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, . National Review IS part of the right. Clearly some of the folks on the right recognize Cain's nonsense. Everyone is bashing it, even others in the recent debate, the problem they see with 999 is that it takes the money and control out of Washington. It's nonsense, poorly thought out nonsense. www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/herman-cain Is that what you teach your students? just bash any Idea and close your mind to it? You are telling me there is not one good idea in his plan? not one little piece of the entire plan that could be good? The plan stands or falls as a whole, not in pieces. My students are good at math. They recognize nonsense without my assistance. Even Grover Norquist thinks it a bad plan.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #82 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, . National Review IS part of the right. Clearly some of the folks on the right recognize Cain's nonsense. Everyone is bashing it, even others in the recent debate, the problem they see with 999 is that it takes the money and control out of Washington. It's nonsense, poorly thought out nonsense. www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/herman-cain Is that what you teach your students? just bash any Idea and close your mind to it? You are telling me there is not one good idea in his plan? not one little piece of the entire plan that could be good? The plan stands or falls as a whole, not in pieces. My students are good at math. They recognize nonsense without my assistance. Even Grover Norquist thinks it a bad plan. Why do yoiu think it is a bad plan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #83 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, . National Review IS part of the right. Clearly some of the folks on the right recognize Cain's nonsense. Everyone is bashing it, even others in the recent debate, the problem they see with 999 is that it takes the money and control out of Washington. It's nonsense, poorly thought out nonsense. www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/herman-cain Is that what you teach your students? just bash any Idea and close your mind to it? You are telling me there is not one good idea in his plan? not one little piece of the entire plan that could be good? The plan stands or falls as a whole, not in pieces. My students are good at math. They recognize nonsense without my assistance. Even Grover Norquist thinks it a bad plan. Why do yoiu think it is a bad plan? It's a perfect example of Einstein's dictum: "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #84 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, . National Review IS part of the right. Clearly some of the folks on the right recognize Cain's nonsense. Everyone is bashing it, even others in the recent debate, the problem they see with 999 is that it takes the money and control out of Washington. It's nonsense, poorly thought out nonsense. www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/herman-cain Is that what you teach your students? just bash any Idea and close your mind to it? You are telling me there is not one good idea in his plan? not one little piece of the entire plan that could be good? The plan stands or falls as a whole, not in pieces. My students are good at math. They recognize nonsense without my assistance. Even Grover Norquist thinks it a bad plan. Why do yoiu think it is a bad plan? It's a perfect example of Einstein's dictum: "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong". I asked what you thought was wrong with the 999 plan. I don't think Einstein has any idea what is right or wrong about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,473 #85 October 21, 2011 >but the one we have now is definately not good and we need to look at all >options. One thing that _is_ good about the 9-9-9 plan is that right wingers are admitting we need more taxes. Even if it's a bad plan, at least they are starting to come around to the fact that we have to close the deficit hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #86 October 21, 2011 Quote>but the one we have now is definately not good and we need to look at all >options. One thing that _is_ good about the 9-9-9 plan is that right wingers are admitting we need more taxes. Even if it's a bad plan, at least they are starting to come around to the fact that we have to close the deficit hole. No the right is not saying we need more taxes, the right wants all people to pay some taxes and the bigger users to pay more. In this plan the more you buy the more you pay. All people paying something and the bigger users paying more, what could be more fair? not to mention all imports would now be subject to federal tax when purchased. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,473 #87 October 21, 2011 >No the right is not saying we need more taxes So only Herman Cain is? Is he not part of the right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #88 October 21, 2011 Quote>No the right is not saying we need more taxes So only Herman Cain is? Is he not part of the right? he didn't say we needed more taxes, just a more fair way of collecting it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,473 #89 October 21, 2011 >he didn't say we needed more taxes . . . Herman Cain plans to add a national sales tax on top of our current income taxes. (note that word "add" - I know math gives some right wingers trouble) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #90 October 21, 2011 Quote>he didn't say we needed more taxes . . . Herman Cain plans to add a national sales tax on top of our current income taxes. (note that word "add" - I know math gives some right wingers trouble) and some say it would not produce more revenue than is already being collectected. It would also reduce the total number of different collection methods (like capital gains andretirement accounts) at this time. so yes it would add a national sales tax it would be revenue nutral, less # of avenues to collect tax and simplified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #91 October 21, 2011 Quote>he didn't say we needed more taxes . . . Herman Cain plans to add a national sales tax on top of our current income taxes. (note that word "add" - I know math gives some right wingers trouble) I'm pretty sure he considers this a stepping stone to a Fair tax concept - like the 4-40 plan....... seems a silly way to go about it that said - I resonated most with Paul and Cain in the last debate. A little with Mitt. (mainly because they consistently came back to individual and state's rights vs collectivism more than anyone else). Santorum was just a whiner. Newt is sharp, but seemed flat (VP or advisor would be his best role). I don't trust Perry more than I could throw him since he's a guy that demonstrates the time honored position of buying votes. Bachmann is just too bi-polar to ever take seriously. the whole "ball room brawl" thing - I didn't see, seemed pretty tame compared to what we know the final candidate will have to deal with. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #92 October 21, 2011 Quote Newt is sharp, but seemed flat . Playing in the wrong key?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,172 #93 October 21, 2011 QuoteNewt is sharp, but seemed flatQuotePlaying in the wrong key?Just proving he's not a natural. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #94 October 21, 2011 Quote>he didn't say we needed more taxes . . . Herman Cain plans to add a national sales tax on top of our current income taxes. (note that word "add" - I know math gives some right wingers trouble) Evidently it gives left wingers more problems - last time I looked, 9% is less than 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33% and 35%.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,473 #95 October 21, 2011 >and some say it would not produce more revenue than is already being collectected. Yes, some do say that adding a new tax would not produce more revenue that is already being created. On the plus side, the IRS could add a whole new division for implementation and enforcement of this new tax. Perhaps they could have a Form 99A to account for sales tax from small businesses, 99B to account for tax from large businesses, 99C to account for sales tax from sole proprietorships etc. They could have forms you could file to request relief as a reseller, so you don't have to pay tax twice. They could have forms to pro-rate sales tax on used cars so that people don't have to pay all that sales tax twice. And for the inevitable exemptions (i.e. reducing sales tax for our brave men and women serving overseas) why, we could have a form for that, too. Of course in the new "paperless" IRS they could replace some of those forms with websites they set up; just enter your social security number and the government will take care of all your sales tax needs. And of course you'd have to ban cash for many transactions, like Florida did. Too many people would try to get around this new tax if you could pay cash for things. Could be a great economic recovery plan! Think of all the new IRS jobs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #96 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuote>he didn't say we needed more taxes . . . Herman Cain plans to add a national sales tax on top of our current income taxes. (note that word "add" - I know math gives some right wingers trouble) Evidently it gives left wingers more problems - last time I looked, 9% is less than 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33% and 35%. the idea of subtracting taxes is as foreign to leftists as imaginary numbers. It's pretty obvious, Bill, that 35 down to 9 overwhelms the additional 9 for the sales tax. And that's the problem. Hardly possible for this to be revenue neutral. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,473 #97 October 21, 2011 >It's pretty obvious, Bill, that 35 down to 9 overwhelms the additional 9 for the sales tax. Glad to see you acknowledge the addition of a new tax. >And that's the problem. Hardly possible for this to be revenue neutral. Agreed. It adds a new tax, with all the additional complexity and overhead that implies, while significantly decreasing the government's revenue. And decreasing revenue when we are 14 trillion dollars in debt can only make sense to a Tea Partyer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #98 October 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteEven National Review is trashing it: www.nationalreview.com/articles/280306/bold-brash-and-wrong-editors Everything the right has put out has been bashed and stomped on, . National Review IS part of the right. Clearly some of the folks on the right recognize Cain's nonsense. Or perhaps they just aren't happy with a black man leading in polls? As an actual solution, you know how good his plan is. But as a election ploy it has proven to be brilliant as it catapulted a guy that was as irrelevant as a third party Jesse Jackson into the latest alternative to Mitt Romney. He wasn't running a serious campaign before, wasn't going to bother with many states. Now he's scrambling to take advantage of a small window of opportunity to actually win the thing. So of course the others are trashing him and the plan non stop. Even though the party generally supports a flat tax. It could have been Einstein's theory of relativity and they'd still be doing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #99 October 22, 2011 Apparently Cain himself now realizes that his plan made no sense. www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/presidential-hopeful-cain-to-allow-exemptions-for-poor-in-his-9-9-9-tax-plan/2011/10/21/gIQA9PMc2L_story.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #100 November 8, 2011 QuoteBeen taking debate lessons from daVinci? Yes, he brought facts and reasonable conclusions.... I am sure he or I will give you some free lessons to do the same Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
