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So now Ron Paul is a Christian Conservative?



That was not the focus of the article, the focus was about all of the vocal support from the tea baggers in favor of letting the man die.

The overwhelming majority of the tea baggers are Christian.

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So now Ron Paul is a Christian Conservative?



That was not the focus of the article, the focus was about all of the vocal support from the tea baggers in favor of letting the man die.

The overwhelming majority of the tea baggers are Christian.



First of all, I only heard two people in the audience say yes. Secondly, you have no idea who they are and what their political ideology is. Thirdly, for all you know they were planted by Democrats and lastly, if you listen to Ron Paul, he states that the reason this hypothetical man ended up in this situation is because people have grown used to acting irresponsible and then relying on the govt. to bail them out. In effect, agreeing he should die.

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>First of all, I only heard two people in the audience say yes. Secondly, you have no
>idea who they are and what their political ideology is. Thirdly, for all you know they
>were planted by Democrats and lastly . . .In effect, agreeing he should die.

So it was only two people, they were probably democrats and they weren't wrong.

"I didn't do it, it wasn't my fault and I had a good reason to do it anyway!"

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So now Ron Paul is a Christian Conservative?



That was not the focus of the article, the focus was about all of the vocal support from the tea baggers in favor of letting the man die.

The overwhelming majority of the tea baggers are Christian.



First of all, I only heard two people in the audience say yes. Secondly, you have no idea who they are and what their political ideology is. Thirdly, for all you know they were planted by Democrats and lastly, if you listen to Ron Paul, he states that the reason this hypothetical man ended up in this situation is because people have grown used to acting irresponsible and then relying on the govt. to bail them out. In effect, agreeing he should die.



It seems rather illogical to plant Democrats to applaud the policies that the tea baggers support.


So do you believe with Paul, that if a person has refused to purchase health insurance, and then finds himself injured or ill and he will die with out it, society should let him die?

The Tea baggers are against abortion, yet they would expect Doctors and nurses to disconnect people from ventilators based solely on that persons inability to pay? As someone who has disconnected people from a vent, and watch them gasp for breath until they die. (sometimes for hours) I really doubt you will find a single nurse willing to do that.

Good luck with that.

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>First of all, I only heard two people in the audience say yes. Secondly, you have no
>idea who they are and what their political ideology is. Thirdly, for all you know they
>were planted by Democrats and lastly . . .In effect, agreeing he should die.

So it was only two people, they were probably democrats and they weren't wrong.

"I didn't do it, it wasn't my fault and I had a good reason to do it anyway!"



Wrong as usual. I simply said he didn't know what their political (or by default, religious) affiliation was. Do you? I thought not. :S

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So now Ron Paul is a Christian Conservative?



That was not the focus of the article, the focus was about all of the vocal support from the tea baggers in favor of letting the man die.

The overwhelming majority of the tea baggers are Christian.



First of all, I only heard two people in the audience say yes. Secondly, you have no idea who they are and what their political ideology is. Thirdly, for all you know they were planted by Democrats and lastly, if you listen to Ron Paul, he states that the reason this hypothetical man ended up in this situation is because people have grown used to acting irresponsible and then relying on the govt. to bail them out. In effect, agreeing he should die.



It seems rather illogical to plant Democrats to applaud the policies that the tea baggers support.


So do you believe with Paul, that if a person has refused to purchase health insurance, and then finds himself injured or ill and he will die with out it, society should let him die?

The Tea baggers are against abortion, yet they would expect Doctors and nurses to disconnect people from ventilators based solely on that persons inability to pay? As someone who has disconnected people from a vent, and watch them gasp for breath until they die. (sometimes for hours) I really doubt you will find a single nurse willing to do that.

Good luck with that.



Your thread didn't ask what my views were. You and Billvon ASS-U-MEd they were Religious Conservatives. This wouldn't be the first time unscupulous Democrats have shown up at Republican gatherings in an attempt to influence perceptions or to asked planted questions.

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Your thread didn't ask what my views were



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So do you believe with Paul, that if a person has refused to purchase health insurance, and then finds himself injured or ill and he will die with out it, society should let him die?



Really?



I agree with the complete answer Ron Paul gave. Not the spliced up one that makes him look bad that left-wingers will embrace.

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Your thread didn't ask what my views were



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***So do you believe with Paul, that if a person has refused to purchase health insurance, and then finds himself injured or ill and he will die with out it, society should let him die?



Really?



I agree with the complete answer Ron Paul gave. Not the spliced up one that makes him look bad that left-wingers will embrace.



So that if a person who could afford, but refuses to purchase health insurance, ends up in a situation, that with out medical care, will result in his death, you would be ok with not providing care and letting them die?

If I am missing something, please explain.

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So that if a person who could afford, but refuses to purchase health insurance, ends up in a situation, that with out medical care, will result in his death, you would be ok with not providing care and letting them die?

If I am missing something, please explain.



I'll explain.
If my dear Mother was without health insurance, I wouldn't ask jclalor (who I don't know from adam) for money. Get it? Thanks

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***So do you believe with Paul, that if a person has refused to purchase health insurance, and then finds himself injured or ill and he will die with out it, society should let him die?



Really?



I agree with the complete answer Ron Paul gave. Not the spliced up one that makes him look bad that left-wingers will embrace.



So that if a person who could afford, but refuses to purchase health insurance, ends up in a situation, that with out medical care, will result in his death, you would be ok with not providing care and letting them die?

If I am missing something, please explain.



That's not what Ron Paul said.

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So that if a person who could afford, but refuses to purchase health insurance, ends up in a situation, that with out medical care, will result in his death, you would be ok with not providing care and letting them die?

If I am missing something, please explain.



I'll explain.
If my dear Mother was without health insurance, I wouldn't ask jclalor (who I don't know from adam) for money. Get it? Thanks



That's actually a very good point. People have no problem with the government doing for them what they would be too embarrassed to do themselves. I doubt someone who acted irresponsibly by not covering themselves with medical insurance would go door to door with a tin cup asking for donations for treatment, but they have no problem using the government as a surrogate.

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As someone who has disconnected people from a vent, and watch them gasp for breath until they die.



Why did you disconnect them from the vent?



It happens all the time. Some people have advanced directives that state that if there is no hope, they do not wish to be kept alive by machines. I work with children, and the parents have the right to decide to let them go if there is no chance of recovery or quality of life. The best you can do is load them up with morphine ( but not too much, that would be assisted suicide) and hope they don't feel much.

The big difference in the examples that I give, the person has already agreed not to be kept alive on a vent or parents along with a doctor have made the choice. Letting a person die who has a good prognosis for not having insurance is a whole other story.

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I'll explain.
If my dear Mother was without health insurance, I wouldn't ask jclalor (who I don't know from adam) for money. Get it? Thanks



Not knowing how old your dear mother is, I may or may not be paying for her health insurance. (yet)

You got Grandparents?

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Don't know where you live, but I have been asked to donate at many fundraisers for adult and children's health care over the years. Not tin cup door to door, but asking just the same.



That's great that you donate and all. At my work, we have 36 kids, at about $30,000 each a month. 90% are payed for by the taxpayers. I guess if we were cut off by the state, we could have bake sales and things like that to try and raise the $10,000,000 a year.

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I think Ron Pauls answer is lost on many left-wingers. When Conservatives talk about shrinking the size of government, this is exactly what they mean. Because too many people feel they can live their lives irresponsibly and rely on the govt. to pick up their slack, the government has just continued to grow larger and larger until we have finally reached the critical mass that we have today. The only real question is when is is the government too large? For some it's been too large for a long time and they are tired of govt. continuously coming to them for more and more taxes to pay for these irresponsible people. For others it has gotten too large recently. Did anyone notice that the Obama Jobs bill lowers the definition of "Rich" to $200,000 per year? For others, the government can never be too big or do enough for them. Read: They believe others who act more responsibly should pay their bills.

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I work with children, and the parents have the right to decide to let them go if there is no chance of recovery or quality of life. The best you can do is load them up with morphine ( but not too much, that would be assisted suicide) and hope they don't feel much.



you have a huge heart and I could never do your job. We just disagree on who pays for who..

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If I am missing something, please explain.



How about you explain where paul said he's ok with not providing care and letting him die?



How do you interpret this?

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Transcript:
Blitzer >> You're a physician, ron paul, you're a doctor. You know something about this subject. Let me ask you this hypothetical question. A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides I'm not going to spend 200 or $300 a month because I'm healthy, i don't need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it. Who will pay if he goes into a coma, who pays for that?

Paul >> In a society that you accept welfarism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of him.

Blitzer >> What do you want?

Paul >> What he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would have a major al policy.

Blitzer >> He doesn't have that and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?

Paul >> That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody --

Audience >> [applause]

Blitzer >> but congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

Audience >> [shouts of "yeah!"]

Paul >> I practiced medicine before we had medicaid in the early 1960s when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospital. And we've given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourself, our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea -- that's the reason the cost is so high. The cost is so high because they dump it on the government, it becomes a bureaucracy. It becomes special interests, it kowtows to the special interests and the drug company, then on top of that you have the inflation, the inflation devalues the dollar. We have lack of competition. There's no competition in medicine. Everybody is protected by licensing. We should legalize alternative health care. Allow people to practice what they want.



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