Happy 50th Anniversary Bay of Pigs!

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Celebrating by juicing up the rebels in Libya just enough to get them to fully commit and then bail on 'em. At least our foreign policy is consistent.

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We should name it "Bay of Goats"

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In the Bay of Pigs the US was trying to start an uprising against castro. In the Bay of Goats the popular uprising was already going on.

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In the Bay of Pigs the US was trying to start an uprising against castro. In the Bay of Goats the popular uprising was already going on.

So given that subtle difference, with which scenario do we have the moral high ground?

@wayneflorida ..."Bay of Goats"!

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In Libya, the conflict belongs to the Libyans who initiated it. It's their own agenda. Not an agenda imposed on them by foreigners.

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In Libya, the conflict belongs to the Libyans who initiated it. It's their own agenda. Not an agenda imposed on them by foreigners.

Oh, so the Cuban rebels that Kennedy fucked over were not participating of their on free will?

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[billvon 2,406]

>So given that subtle difference, with which scenario do we have the moral high ground?

Neither one. In the long run, we probably have the higher moral ground in whichever conflict we kill fewer people in.

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In Libya, the conflict belongs to the Libyans who initiated it. It's their own agenda. Not an agenda imposed on them by foreigners.

Well, it was just your standard Middle East protest movement and uprising until we (+NATO) started with the close air support and other military assistance. Then they got bold and started a full-scale revolution thinking they had their asses covered ..and then we pulled out. Likewise, we didn't start the counter-revolution in Cuba. There were still resistance fighters there. We trained some exiles here and planned an invasion in concert with the existing counter-revolutionaries.

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>So given that subtle difference, with which scenario do we have the moral high ground?

Neither one. In the long run, we probably have the higher moral ground in whichever conflict we kill fewer people in.

And of course we don't use torture. Just enhanced interragtion techniques.

We lucked out with the cuban missle crisis. They had tac nukes waiting on the beach, And the commie subs that we tried to prevent from surfacing so they would run out of air also had nukes.Unknow to us.

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>So given that subtle difference, with which scenario do we have the moral high ground?

Neither one. In the long run, we probably have the higher moral ground in whichever conflict we kill fewer people in.

Yes, neither. In both cases we provided initial support and when they were fully engaged we skee-daddled and left them holding the bag. (But, in this conflict we killed fewer people than usual so I guess this was morally one of our better war efforts.)

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In Libya, the conflict belongs to the Libyans who initiated it. It's their own agenda. Not an agenda imposed on them by foreigners.

Well, it was just your standard Middle East protest movement and uprising until we (+NATO) started with the close air support and other military assistance. Then they got bold and started a full-scale revolution thinking they had their asses covered ..and then we pulled out. Likewise, we didn't start the counter-revolution in Cuba. There were still resistance fighters there. We trained some exiles here and planned an invasion in concert with the existing counter-revolutionaries.

Part of what fucked-over the Cubano counter-revolutionaries was JFK's refusal to provide air cover. Eisenhower, from whom JFK inherited the plan, was furious at JFK for that. Still, the parallels & comparisons you point are interesting.

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Part of what fucked-over the Cubano counter-revolutionaries was JFK's refusal to provide air cover. Eisenhower, from whom JFK inherited the plan, was furious at JFK for that. Still, the parallels & comparisons you point are interesting.

Dead on right. Many believe that is what led to the Dallas solution. I heard on the 970AM last week that Jesse Ventura has a new book, 63 Documents the Government Doesn't Want You to Read, that sheds new light on the subject. I'll probably read it but doubt if the light bulb will glow any brighter.

BTW, I flew in one of the BoP B-26's on a night ordinance mission after they were placed back in USAF inventory. I believe it was Range 52 on the Eglin complex.

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In Libya, the conflict belongs to the Libyans who initiated it. It's their own agenda. Not an agenda imposed on them by foreigners.

Well, it was just your standard Middle East protest movement and uprising until we (+NATO) started with the close air support and other military assistance. Then they got bold and started a full-scale revolution thinking they had their asses covered ..and then we pulled out. Likewise, we didn't start the counter-revolution in Cuba. There were still resistance fighters there. We trained some exiles here and planned an invasion in concert with the existing counter-revolutionaries.

Part of what fucked-over the Cubano counter-revolutionaries was JFK's refusal to provide air cover. Eisenhower, from whom JFK inherited the plan, was furious at JFK for that. Still, the parallels & comparisons you point are interesting.

Here is a rather complete timeline for the Bay of Pigs and the events leading up to it as well as things that happened afterwards. It seems to be simply the historical events without political commentary from either direction. What is most striking to me (other than the details themselves) is what seems to be the coherency of our Cuba policy before, during and after the 1960 election ...given that not only was a party change made but also a generational change in leadership.