dj123 0 #326 December 30, 2010 Quote>The Banks got themselves imto a mess. >What they did was CRIMINAL. Apparently not; not many people have been indicted, much less convicted. Their error was stupidity and shortsightedness. Ironically this is exactly the same combination of factors that led mortgage holders to make the same stupid mistakes.Quote No Bill, What they have done is Criminal. The bailout is an attempt to hide their criminality. That is fact. It wasn't "shortsightedness" or "stupidity". What they did is CRIMINAL. The bailout is an attempt to hide their criminality. Just curious.., Do you even know what really happened???? Blue Skies and better tomorrows through enlightenment and understanding. DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #327 December 30, 2010 >The bailout is an attempt to hide their criminality. That is fact. If it was fact they would all be in jail. When criminality can be proven as fact then people go to jail. That's how our justice system works. It relies on provable fact rather than repetitive posts on skydiving internet forums. In fact in most cases there was no criminality; merely stupidity. (Which fortunately is not punishable under the law.) >Do you even know what really happened? Yes. Irrational exuberance led people to get mortgages they couldn't afford. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #328 December 30, 2010 QuoteDo you even know what really happened???? OOOooooh... the 'secret knowledge'... is this the 'those dirty Jews' version, the 'Illuminati/Bilderberger' version, or something else? BTW...what are your thoughts on nano-thermite?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #329 December 30, 2010 Quote>can you provide us ,nanook, with the specific point of the law which >holds common wage earners liable for income tax? ================== There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of— (1) every married individual (as defined in section 7703) who makes a single return jointly with his spouse under section 6013, and (2) every surviving spouse (as defined in section 2 (a)), a tax determined in accordance with the following table: (etc) ================== Nice.., now show me where I am liable for income tax. What you showed was nothing. Hey here is something you'll have a time with; according to the tax code I don't live in a state. I live in Georgia. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #330 December 30, 2010 >according to the tax code I don't live in a state. I live in Georgia. Cool. Now I bet if you redefine the word "tax" as "money the government gives me" you will solve all your problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #331 December 30, 2010 Quote>The bailout is an attempt to hide their criminality. That is fact. If it was fact they would all be in jail. When criminality can be proven as fact then people go to jail. That's how our justice system works. It relies on provable fact rather than repetitive posts on skydiving internet forums.Quote Rich people don't go to jail. What the bankers did is criminal! It may take a while but hopefully the facts will come out. Either way it isn't the crap you've been spouting about the people defaulting on their loans that caused all this. If you believe that you are an idiot! Up yours, DJ In fact in most cases there was no criminality; merely stupidity. (Which fortunately is not punishable under the law.) >Do you even know what really happened? Yes. Irrational exuberance led people to get mortgages they couldn't afford. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #332 December 30, 2010 Quote>according to the tax code I don't live in a state. I live in Georgia. Cool. Now I bet if you redefine the word "tax" as "money the government gives me" you will solve all your problems. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? LOL!!!! Bill, are you out of legitimate argument??? I guess it's time I get banned! BilVon is stumpped. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings for all, "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #333 December 30, 2010 >Rich people don't go to jail. Bernie Madoff isn't in jail? Jeff Skilling isn't in jail? Martha Stewart, Paris Hilton, Leona Helmsley, Lindsey Lohan, Phil Spector, Robert Downey, Michael Milken, Jim Bakker - these people didn't go to jail? You have some serious logical problems here. >Up yours The true intellectual underpinnings of your argument emerge! "I'm right, fuck you if you disagree" may work in bars, but fortunately does not work in the real world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #334 December 30, 2010 Interesting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #335 December 30, 2010 QuoteAt least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. And free clothing - hope you like orange jumpsuits.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #336 December 30, 2010 Quotenow show me where I am liable for income tax. All of subtitle A tells you what income tax you are liable for. If you did not have any income, you may fall into subtitle B. If you did not have any income at all, you are not liable, obviously, but you may have paid other taxes, excises such that fall in subtitles D and E._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #337 December 30, 2010 Quoteaccording to the tax code I don't live in a state. You don't have to live in a state. State citizenship doesn't release any liability. This is federal taxes. You don't have to be in the U. S. to be taxed on income. For example, if you are working in Zimbabwe, you are liable to the U. S. for income made there._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #338 December 30, 2010 Quote I can see how a less responsible person would see banks as criminal. After all, banks give people tools to get themselves in trouble - and some people shouldn't be allowed to operate dangerous tools. Perhaps an IQ test before giving out loans would suffice? The same thoughts come to my mind when I hear people rail about how rigged the stock market is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #339 December 30, 2010 QuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #340 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY You have been shown the Law. It is enforceable. What I believe is happening here is you are not seeing the actual phrase "you have to pay this" anywhere. The phrase " Tax Imposed" doesn't appear to mean the same thing to you._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 18 #341 December 30, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Did you lie or has anyone stated they want to keep all their money from the gov IE: pay no taxes Well? All those who claim taxes = theft are implicitly making that claim. Maybe if that was the claim but you leave out the context as usual a half truth You show me dear sir Where has anyone here ever stated they do not want to pay any tax at all? And do it in the context of the thread You will not be able to So you support the lie Amazon made and then you perpetuate it Shameful So in addition to hating the Constitution you also support theft. Interesting. You are takeing posting lessons from dreamy now? Your desperation is show John You just livin the lie I guess Did you fail to read the many "taxes = theft" posts from those of your ilk? Anyone supporting ANY taxes and subscribing to that position, is supporting theft. Your own words show the contradiction in your position and your total inability to make a logical post. Nice John nice john yes there you go Indeed! Your own contradiction has caught up with you and you have no logical response. Ya Right"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #342 December 30, 2010 QuoteShow us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I > § 63 Taxable income defined (a) In general Except as provided in subsection (b), for purposes of this subtitle, the term “taxable income” means gross income minus the deductions allowed by this chapter (other than the standard deduction). TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 75 > Subchapter A > PART I > § 7201 § 7201. Attempt to evade or defeat tax Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #343 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuote>and you take the profit I plan to not profit at all; just cover the mortgage payments. So how about it? that's a profit (you end up with a free house while your tenant pays the mortgage - nice) That's only "free" to people to cannot comprehend opportunity cost. Or commitment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #344 December 30, 2010 [reply Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY You have been shown the Law. It is enforceable. What I believe is happening here is you are not seeing the actual phrase "you have to pay this" anywhere. The phrase " Tax Imposed" doesn't appear to mean the same thing to you. Look nannook, Show us the law !!! Where is the law??? Show me the law which requires wage earners to pay income tax. Show me the law!!!! Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings, "Treetop" aka LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #345 December 30, 2010 QuoteTITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter A Tell me why this does not work. I am not seeing your point. Or are you one of those people that say the word "Code" doesn't equal "Law". Congress named the law it passed(Congress passed this, not the IRS) "Internal Revenue Code". It's a Law._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #346 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteShow us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I > § 63 Taxable income defined (a) In general Except as provided in subsection (b), for purposes of this subtitle, the term “taxable income” means gross income minus the deductions allowed by this chapter (other than the standard deduction). TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 75 > Subchapter A > PART I > § 7201 § 7201. Attempt to evade or defeat tax Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. What does all that mean mnealtx? It don't mean squat!! Can you understand that the bankers have fucked us but now they have been caught by we the people? Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings, "Treetop" a.k.a.LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #347 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteShow us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I > § 63 Taxable income defined (a) In general Except as provided in subsection (b), for purposes of this subtitle, the term “taxable income” means gross income minus the deductions allowed by this chapter (other than the standard deduction). TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 75 > Subchapter A > PART I > § 7201 § 7201. Attempt to evade or defeat tax Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. What does all that mean mnealtx? Well, to a rational person, it means you have to pay income tax. To you.... QuoteIt don't mean squat!! QuoteCan you understand that the bankers have fucked us but now they have been caught by we the people? Yeah, about that - I had a question about that, above, and you never responded. Is that the 'those dirty Jews' secret knowledge, the 'Illuminati/Bilderberger' secret knowledge or some *other* secret knowledge? You also never provided your thoughts on nano-thermite.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #348 December 30, 2010 QuoteIt don't mean squat!! Explain to us why this doesn't mean anything. or again, are you one of those people that say the word "Code" doesn't equal "Law". Congress named the law it passed(Congress passed this, not the IRS) "Internal Revenue Code". It's a Law._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #349 December 30, 2010 QuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Son, Can you provide us with the exact code which makes you liable for income tax> Or have you just always been payin because you thought you owed? By what specific law do you owe the federal government some portion of your wages? I you can't answer, Should you pay???? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #350 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY You have been shown the Law. Quote Bullshit, Show the law. Show the specific paragragh of the law. you can't do it. 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billvon 2,435 #327 December 30, 2010 >The bailout is an attempt to hide their criminality. That is fact. If it was fact they would all be in jail. When criminality can be proven as fact then people go to jail. That's how our justice system works. It relies on provable fact rather than repetitive posts on skydiving internet forums. In fact in most cases there was no criminality; merely stupidity. (Which fortunately is not punishable under the law.) >Do you even know what really happened? Yes. Irrational exuberance led people to get mortgages they couldn't afford. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #328 December 30, 2010 QuoteDo you even know what really happened???? OOOooooh... the 'secret knowledge'... is this the 'those dirty Jews' version, the 'Illuminati/Bilderberger' version, or something else? BTW...what are your thoughts on nano-thermite?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #329 December 30, 2010 Quote>can you provide us ,nanook, with the specific point of the law which >holds common wage earners liable for income tax? ================== There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of— (1) every married individual (as defined in section 7703) who makes a single return jointly with his spouse under section 6013, and (2) every surviving spouse (as defined in section 2 (a)), a tax determined in accordance with the following table: (etc) ================== Nice.., now show me where I am liable for income tax. What you showed was nothing. Hey here is something you'll have a time with; according to the tax code I don't live in a state. I live in Georgia. Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #330 December 30, 2010 >according to the tax code I don't live in a state. I live in Georgia. Cool. Now I bet if you redefine the word "tax" as "money the government gives me" you will solve all your problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #331 December 30, 2010 Quote>The bailout is an attempt to hide their criminality. That is fact. If it was fact they would all be in jail. When criminality can be proven as fact then people go to jail. That's how our justice system works. It relies on provable fact rather than repetitive posts on skydiving internet forums.Quote Rich people don't go to jail. What the bankers did is criminal! It may take a while but hopefully the facts will come out. Either way it isn't the crap you've been spouting about the people defaulting on their loans that caused all this. If you believe that you are an idiot! Up yours, DJ In fact in most cases there was no criminality; merely stupidity. (Which fortunately is not punishable under the law.) >Do you even know what really happened? Yes. Irrational exuberance led people to get mortgages they couldn't afford. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #332 December 30, 2010 Quote>according to the tax code I don't live in a state. I live in Georgia. Cool. Now I bet if you redefine the word "tax" as "money the government gives me" you will solve all your problems. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? LOL!!!! Bill, are you out of legitimate argument??? I guess it's time I get banned! BilVon is stumpped. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings for all, "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,435 #333 December 30, 2010 >Rich people don't go to jail. Bernie Madoff isn't in jail? Jeff Skilling isn't in jail? Martha Stewart, Paris Hilton, Leona Helmsley, Lindsey Lohan, Phil Spector, Robert Downey, Michael Milken, Jim Bakker - these people didn't go to jail? You have some serious logical problems here. >Up yours The true intellectual underpinnings of your argument emerge! "I'm right, fuck you if you disagree" may work in bars, but fortunately does not work in the real world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 622 #334 December 30, 2010 Interesting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #335 December 30, 2010 QuoteAt least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. And free clothing - hope you like orange jumpsuits.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #336 December 30, 2010 Quotenow show me where I am liable for income tax. All of subtitle A tells you what income tax you are liable for. If you did not have any income, you may fall into subtitle B. If you did not have any income at all, you are not liable, obviously, but you may have paid other taxes, excises such that fall in subtitles D and E._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #337 December 30, 2010 Quoteaccording to the tax code I don't live in a state. You don't have to live in a state. State citizenship doesn't release any liability. This is federal taxes. You don't have to be in the U. S. to be taxed on income. For example, if you are working in Zimbabwe, you are liable to the U. S. for income made there._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #338 December 30, 2010 Quote I can see how a less responsible person would see banks as criminal. After all, banks give people tools to get themselves in trouble - and some people shouldn't be allowed to operate dangerous tools. Perhaps an IQ test before giving out loans would suffice? The same thoughts come to my mind when I hear people rail about how rigged the stock market is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #339 December 30, 2010 QuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nanook 1 #340 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY You have been shown the Law. It is enforceable. What I believe is happening here is you are not seeing the actual phrase "you have to pay this" anywhere. The phrase " Tax Imposed" doesn't appear to mean the same thing to you._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 18 #341 December 30, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Did you lie or has anyone stated they want to keep all their money from the gov IE: pay no taxes Well? All those who claim taxes = theft are implicitly making that claim. Maybe if that was the claim but you leave out the context as usual a half truth You show me dear sir Where has anyone here ever stated they do not want to pay any tax at all? And do it in the context of the thread You will not be able to So you support the lie Amazon made and then you perpetuate it Shameful So in addition to hating the Constitution you also support theft. Interesting. You are takeing posting lessons from dreamy now? Your desperation is show John You just livin the lie I guess Did you fail to read the many "taxes = theft" posts from those of your ilk? Anyone supporting ANY taxes and subscribing to that position, is supporting theft. Your own words show the contradiction in your position and your total inability to make a logical post. Nice John nice john yes there you go Indeed! Your own contradiction has caught up with you and you have no logical response. Ya Right"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #342 December 30, 2010 QuoteShow us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I > § 63 Taxable income defined (a) In general Except as provided in subsection (b), for purposes of this subtitle, the term “taxable income” means gross income minus the deductions allowed by this chapter (other than the standard deduction). TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 75 > Subchapter A > PART I > § 7201 § 7201. Attempt to evade or defeat tax Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #343 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuote>and you take the profit I plan to not profit at all; just cover the mortgage payments. So how about it? that's a profit (you end up with a free house while your tenant pays the mortgage - nice) That's only "free" to people to cannot comprehend opportunity cost. Or commitment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj123 0 #344 December 30, 2010 [reply Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY You have been shown the Law. It is enforceable. What I believe is happening here is you are not seeing the actual phrase "you have to pay this" anywhere. The phrase " Tax Imposed" doesn't appear to mean the same thing to you. Look nannook, Show us the law !!! Where is the law??? Show me the law which requires wage earners to pay income tax. Show me the law!!!! Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings, "Treetop" aka LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #332 December 30, 2010 Quote>according to the tax code I don't live in a state. I live in Georgia. Cool. Now I bet if you redefine the word "tax" as "money the government gives me" you will solve all your problems. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? LOL!!!! Bill, are you out of legitimate argument??? I guess it's time I get banned! BilVon is stumpped. Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings for all, "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #333 December 30, 2010 >Rich people don't go to jail. Bernie Madoff isn't in jail? Jeff Skilling isn't in jail? Martha Stewart, Paris Hilton, Leona Helmsley, Lindsey Lohan, Phil Spector, Robert Downey, Michael Milken, Jim Bakker - these people didn't go to jail? You have some serious logical problems here. >Up yours The true intellectual underpinnings of your argument emerge! "I'm right, fuck you if you disagree" may work in bars, but fortunately does not work in the real world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #334 December 30, 2010 Interesting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #335 December 30, 2010 QuoteAt least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. And free clothing - hope you like orange jumpsuits.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #336 December 30, 2010 Quotenow show me where I am liable for income tax. All of subtitle A tells you what income tax you are liable for. If you did not have any income, you may fall into subtitle B. If you did not have any income at all, you are not liable, obviously, but you may have paid other taxes, excises such that fall in subtitles D and E._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #337 December 30, 2010 Quoteaccording to the tax code I don't live in a state. You don't have to live in a state. State citizenship doesn't release any liability. This is federal taxes. You don't have to be in the U. S. to be taxed on income. For example, if you are working in Zimbabwe, you are liable to the U. S. for income made there._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #338 December 30, 2010 Quote I can see how a less responsible person would see banks as criminal. After all, banks give people tools to get themselves in trouble - and some people shouldn't be allowed to operate dangerous tools. Perhaps an IQ test before giving out loans would suffice? The same thoughts come to my mind when I hear people rail about how rigged the stock market is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #339 December 30, 2010 QuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #340 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY You have been shown the Law. It is enforceable. What I believe is happening here is you are not seeing the actual phrase "you have to pay this" anywhere. The phrase " Tax Imposed" doesn't appear to mean the same thing to you._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #341 December 30, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Did you lie or has anyone stated they want to keep all their money from the gov IE: pay no taxes Well? All those who claim taxes = theft are implicitly making that claim. Maybe if that was the claim but you leave out the context as usual a half truth You show me dear sir Where has anyone here ever stated they do not want to pay any tax at all? And do it in the context of the thread You will not be able to So you support the lie Amazon made and then you perpetuate it Shameful So in addition to hating the Constitution you also support theft. Interesting. You are takeing posting lessons from dreamy now? Your desperation is show John You just livin the lie I guess Did you fail to read the many "taxes = theft" posts from those of your ilk? Anyone supporting ANY taxes and subscribing to that position, is supporting theft. Your own words show the contradiction in your position and your total inability to make a logical post. Nice John nice john yes there you go Indeed! Your own contradiction has caught up with you and you have no logical response. Ya Right"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #342 December 30, 2010 QuoteShow us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I > § 63 Taxable income defined (a) In general Except as provided in subsection (b), for purposes of this subtitle, the term “taxable income” means gross income minus the deductions allowed by this chapter (other than the standard deduction). TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 75 > Subchapter A > PART I > § 7201 § 7201. Attempt to evade or defeat tax Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #343 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuote>and you take the profit I plan to not profit at all; just cover the mortgage payments. So how about it? that's a profit (you end up with a free house while your tenant pays the mortgage - nice) That's only "free" to people to cannot comprehend opportunity cost. Or commitment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #344 December 30, 2010 [reply Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY You have been shown the Law. It is enforceable. What I believe is happening here is you are not seeing the actual phrase "you have to pay this" anywhere. The phrase " Tax Imposed" doesn't appear to mean the same thing to you. Look nannook, Show us the law !!! Where is the law??? Show me the law which requires wage earners to pay income tax. Show me the law!!!! Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings, "Treetop" aka LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #345 December 30, 2010 QuoteTITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter A Tell me why this does not work. I am not seeing your point. Or are you one of those people that say the word "Code" doesn't equal "Law". Congress named the law it passed(Congress passed this, not the IRS) "Internal Revenue Code". It's a Law._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #346 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteShow us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I > § 63 Taxable income defined (a) In general Except as provided in subsection (b), for purposes of this subtitle, the term “taxable income” means gross income minus the deductions allowed by this chapter (other than the standard deduction). TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 75 > Subchapter A > PART I > § 7201 § 7201. Attempt to evade or defeat tax Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. What does all that mean mnealtx? It don't mean squat!! Can you understand that the bankers have fucked us but now they have been caught by we the people? Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings, "Treetop" a.k.a.LORD OF THE SKY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #347 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteShow us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I > § 63 Taxable income defined (a) In general Except as provided in subsection (b), for purposes of this subtitle, the term “taxable income” means gross income minus the deductions allowed by this chapter (other than the standard deduction). TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 75 > Subchapter A > PART I > § 7201 § 7201. Attempt to evade or defeat tax Any person who willfully attempts in any manner to evade or defeat any tax imposed by this title or the payment thereof shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $100,000 ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. What does all that mean mnealtx? Well, to a rational person, it means you have to pay income tax. To you.... QuoteIt don't mean squat!! QuoteCan you understand that the bankers have fucked us but now they have been caught by we the people? Yeah, about that - I had a question about that, above, and you never responded. Is that the 'those dirty Jews' secret knowledge, the 'Illuminati/Bilderberger' secret knowledge or some *other* secret knowledge? You also never provided your thoughts on nano-thermite.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #348 December 30, 2010 QuoteIt don't mean squat!! Explain to us why this doesn't mean anything. or again, are you one of those people that say the word "Code" doesn't equal "Law". Congress named the law it passed(Congress passed this, not the IRS) "Internal Revenue Code". It's a Law._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #349 December 30, 2010 QuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Son, Can you provide us with the exact code which makes you liable for income tax> Or have you just always been payin because you thought you owed? By what specific law do you owe the federal government some portion of your wages? I you can't answer, Should you pay???? Blue Skies, DJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj123 0 #350 December 30, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteInteresting perspective. I was thinking if anyone actually believes for a second they don't owe, have to pay, or give the federal government any taxes on monies made that they are, in fact, stumped. At least the federal government will then provide free housing for you. Well show us the law. Show us the law which requires those who earn wages to pay income tax on those wages. You'll be searchin' for eternity; Happy Huntin' Fair Winds and Unlimited Ceilings. Treetop aka LORD OF THE SKY You have been shown the Law. Quote Bullshit, Show the law. Show the specific paragragh of the law. you can't do it. Show the law. if you could it wouldn't be such a problem/ Show the law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Next Page 14 of 21 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
