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It is true the EXTREMISTS are Muslim's, but are they true in their practice of Islam?

Sure, one can go and find an Imam spouting "death to the Infidels" over and over, but is that a true member of Islam or another extremist?

Matt

How convenient that you don't answer your own question.

It's also possible that the screaming Imam is being absolutely true to his religion. I'm not sure which is which anymore. I don't think all muslims are radical muslims but I think plenty of them silently agree with the jihad. Praemonitus, praemunitus..forewarned is forearmed.

Please don't dent the planet.

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I have read the Koran as well as the Tora and Bible.
But there are numerous examples of all, which one is true?

Having been in countries with Imam's who are very peaceful in preaching as well as with Imam's who are not I have seen more peaceful ones. I have also been in countries where the local Roman Catholic leader was preaching death and others peace. But that is just a personal experience.

So, I ask, because I do not think the "Which one is true" question has been answered yet.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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So, I ask, because I do not think the "Which one is true" question has been answered yet.

Matt

Seriously, dude? Good luck finding an answer to that one. But here's a start; none of them.

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I have read the Koran as well as the Tora and Bible.
But there are numerous examples of all, which one is true?

The original text in the original language is the only truth.

Many do not have that luxury to understand the original language, but most of the translations collectively convey the same idea to anyone who has a brain.

I do not find the Koran to be the Word of God...anyone with the Spirit can decern the differences....It is similar to that of the apocrapha...not necessarily in word, but in tone.

John 10:1-21

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them.

So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal andkill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father."

There was again a division among the Jews because of these words. Many of them said, "He has a demon, and is insane; why listen to him?" Others said, "These are not the words of one who is oppressed by a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?"


Now...as a side note...this part struck me:

"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice."

Without in depth expositional study, the Spirit tells me this is referring to the gentiles. I could be wrong...I'll leave it for you to study, but I'm convinced....who else could it refer to if you know anthing of scripture?

Muslims are also gentiles, and the Lord has brought millions to this great country of religious freedom. Many Believe in our lord, they just haven't heard his word...It is our responsibility to share it with them.

They are a very faithful people...all you have to do is show them some love and say the name Jesus, and they will praise him in front of your face...

I just wish I could show you what I mean...These people are desperate for God...we spend so much time arguing with prideful unbelievers in vain, when all we have to do is show love to his "muslim" children that he brought here from afar...and they will believe...I've seen it.

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I I have also been in countries where the local Roman Catholic leader was preaching death

Without specific examples on this one I'm gonna have to call BS on that statement.

Please don't dent the planet.

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They are a very faithful people...all you have to do is show them some love and say the name Jesus, and they will praise him in front of your face...

I just wish I could show you what I mean...These people are desperate for God...we spend so much time arguing with prideful unbelievers in vain, when all we have to do is show love to his "muslim" children that he brought here from afar...and they will believe...I've seen it.

Somehow I don't think "our unprovable book says your unprovable book is wrong so you should just believe ours" is all that convincing of a sales pitch.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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They are a very faithful people...all you have to do is show them some love and say the name Jesus, and they will praise him in front of your face...

I just wish I could show you what I mean...These people are desperate for God...we spend so much time arguing with prideful unbelievers in vain, when all we have to do is show love to his "muslim" children that he brought here from afar...and they will believe...I've seen it.

Somehow I don't think "our unprovable book says your unprovable book is wrong so you should just believe ours" is all that convincing of a sales pitch.

Are you sayin the story of Adam and Eve is made up? Say it isn;t so.......

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Your experience is different, but I would not call BS in regards to your experiences.

My time of service in the Army stretched through the time the Central and Southern American Countries had a bit of "turmoil".

I sat in a village in Central America in the late 80's and heard a Roman Catholic Church Leader say to "strike down the unclean till they breathed no more" and that the "none believers deserved no less than death". It was in broken English and Spanish.

Now had he said to defeat the enemy on the battle field I would have understood it more as a Pre-battle blessing. AND to be fair there was US and Honduran Soldiers there as well as Contra Rebels and local Villagers.

As I read your quotes I noticed it was all based on the commonly accepted books of the Christian Bible. With even the Roman Catholic Church admitting it has picked selected books and left others out, how is that the ONLY true word?

I agree that any religion that says to be kind to one another and love your neighbor is good, regardless of its "faith". I also agree it is the Extremists in any religion that ruins it for the silent and peaceful majority.

But I do not think any one can claim that only the religion they follow is the "True Word", for if that was true after all these years then I would think we would have one religion.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Somehow I don't think "our unprovable book says your unprovable book is wrong so you should just believe ours" is all that convincing of a sales pitch.

you're right...but who's saying that?

Do you normally just go around posting irrelevant facts of life?

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>Or you can miss the point completly..Silent Muslims are every bit as guilty
> as the silent Catholics that did not speak out against molestation
>charges being hidden!

And all the silent americans who were quiet on the subject of torture.

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>Or you can miss the point completly..Silent Muslims are every bit as guilty
> as the silent Catholics that did not speak out against molestation
>charges being hidden!

And all the silent americans who were quiet on the subject of torture.

So are those who supported torture in contravention of all the treaties that have been signed guilty of supporting war crimes and crimes against humanity???

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>Or you can miss the point completly..Silent Muslims are every bit as guilty
> as the silent Catholics that did not speak out against molestation
>charges being hidden!

And all the silent americans who were quiet on the subject of torture.

I had to problem with that!

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>I had to problem with that!

You have two problems with that or no problems with that?

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Somehow I don't think "our unprovable book says your unprovable book is wrong so you should just believe ours" is all that convincing of a sales pitch.

you're right...but who's saying that?

Do you normally just go around posting irrelevant facts of life?

Were you not discussing using the Bible to convert Muslims to Christianity?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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>I had to problem with that!

You have two problems with that or no problems with that?

I have problems typing with a Rottenwieller in my lap that thinks he is a toy poodle!

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Somehow I don't think "our unprovable book says your unprovable book is wrong so you should just believe ours" is all that convincing of a sales pitch.

you're right...but who's saying that?

Do you normally just go around posting irrelevant facts of life?

Were you not discussing using the Bible to convert Muslims to Christianity?

Ok...if I don't use the Bible with love and action, wtf am I supposed to say?

This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwOOqYFZmI

???

Should I put a gun to their head?

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Somehow I don't think "our unprovable book says your unprovable book is wrong so you should just believe ours" is all that convincing of a sales pitch.

you're right...but who's saying that?

Do you normally just go around posting irrelevant facts of life?

Were you not discussing using the Bible to convert Muslims to Christianity?

Ok...if I don't use the Bible with love and action, wtf am I supposed to say?

This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwOOqYFZmI

???

Should I put a gun to their head?

If we try to "convert" anyone it should be to science and knowledge, not to another form of religion which is the root problem of all this as blind faith and belief is inherently dangerous.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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If we try to "convert" anyone it should be to science and knowledge, not to another form of religion which is the root problem

This idea is even more delusional than religion.

quit lying to yourself...

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If we try to "convert" anyone it should be to science and knowledge, not to another form of religion which is the root problem

This idea is even more delusional than religion.

quit lying to yourself...

You admit religion is delusional?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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Fun thing about being an athiest, is I don't watse time trying to convert anyone!

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You admit religion is delusional?

absolutely...

are you confused yet?

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You admit religion is delusional?

absolutely...

are you confused yet?

No. Then again I don't believe in something that I admit is delusional.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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You admit religion is delusional?

absolutely...

are you confused yet?

No. Then again I don't believe in something that I admit is delusional.

I'm not so convinced...it appears you that you believe science and knowledge will cure human depravity.

Dr. Moreau fan, eh?

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You admit religion is delusional?

absolutely...

are you confused yet?

No. Then again I don't believe in something that I admit is delusional.

I'm not so convinced...it appears you that you believe science and knowledge will cure human depravity.

Dr. Moreau fan, eh?

Where did I say I believed that it was the cure for all human depravity?

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“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
-Steven Weinberg

Eliminating one group from doing bad things isn't a cure but it's a start.
Teaching people they're personally responsible for their own actions and inactions may help as well.

Is their a guaranteed cure all other than ending the human race? Not likely. If someone claimed they had one, they better have evidence and be ready to defend their position with facts.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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Where did I say I believed that it was the cure for all human depravity?

It's not fun when people put words in your mouth, is it?

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“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
-Steven Weinberg

Wrong...there are no good people.

your idea of "good" is a delusion...you are in denial.

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Teaching people they're personally responsible for their own actions and inactions may help as well.

no...religion has taught us that is not true.

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Is their a guaranteed cure all other than ending the human race? Not likely. If someone claimed they had one, they better have evidence and be ready to defend their position with facts.

How can you argue facts about human depravity when there is nothing in science that sugests we should have a conscience?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...