philh 0 #351 August 7, 2010 Yes the point is essential to our debate. You are implying scientific belief is on a par with religious belief. So do you think that is the case with the example I gave, where relativites "belief" has been confimred to 9 decimal places, scientiific 'belief" is on a par with religious belief? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #352 August 7, 2010 QuoteYes the point is essential to our debate. You are implying scientific belief is on a par with religious belief. So do you think that is the case with the example I gave, where relativites "belief" has been confimred to 9 decimal places, scientiific 'belief" is on a par with religious belief? The error in your argument is the attempt to apply your limitations to the scientific process. Science is the realm of skeptics, not believers. Once you comprend that, you might come up to speed in five or six years of hard work - if you have the ability and apply yourself. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HueBobbs 0 #353 August 7, 2010 QuoteCertain experiments in Noetic Sciences have been shown to be accurate, or have been proven sound. As our technology advances, so does Noetic Science. Even now, there are a few experiments that can be replicated. I'm genuinely interested in these experiments, and would like to see one with data whose results have been repeated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #354 August 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteOur ancestors didn't have to understand fire in order to use it . . . The difference is fire has physical properties. You can see it. It give off photons. It gives off heat. It uses oxygen. If you can show me any physical property of "spirit" I'm more than open to examine it. That's all it would take. Show me and I'll be hooked. Certain experiments in Noetic Sciences have been shown to be accurate, or have been proven sound. As our technology advances, so does Noetic Science. Even now, there are a few experiments that can be replicated. Dan Brown writes fiction, not science.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #355 August 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOur ancestors didn't have to understand fire in order to use it . . . The difference is fire has physical properties. You can see it. It give off photons. It gives off heat. It uses oxygen. If you can show me any physical property of "spirit" I'm more than open to examine it. That's all it would take. Show me and I'll be hooked. Certain experiments in Noetic Sciences have been shown to be accurate, or have been proven sound. As our technology advances, so does Noetic Science. Even now, there are a few experiments that can be replicated. Dan Brown writes fiction, not science. One of his requirements was that the experiments could be recreated . . . they can.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #356 August 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOur ancestors didn't have to understand fire in order to use it . . . The difference is fire has physical properties. You can see it. It give off photons. It gives off heat. It uses oxygen. If you can show me any physical property of "spirit" I'm more than open to examine it. That's all it would take. Show me and I'll be hooked. Certain experiments in Noetic Sciences have been shown to be accurate, or have been proven sound. As our technology advances, so does Noetic Science. Even now, there are a few experiments that can be replicated. Dan Brown writes fiction, not science. One of his requirements was that the experiments could be recreated . . . they can. Groovy. Tell us about it so we can do the experiment and prove to ourselves the "spirit" exists.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #357 August 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOur ancestors didn't have to understand fire in order to use it . . . The difference is fire has physical properties. You can see it. It give off photons. It gives off heat. It uses oxygen. If you can show me any physical property of "spirit" I'm more than open to examine it. That's all it would take. Show me and I'll be hooked. Certain experiments in Noetic Sciences have been shown to be accurate, or have been proven sound. As our technology advances, so does Noetic Science. Even now, there are a few experiments that can be replicated. Dan Brown writes fiction, not science. One of his requirements was that the experiments could be recreated . . . they can. Groovy. Tell us about it so we can do the experiment and prove to ourselves the "spirit" exists. I refer to Dr. Kallend who says, "Do your own homework."I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #358 August 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOur ancestors didn't have to understand fire in order to use it . . . The difference is fire has physical properties. You can see it. It give off photons. It gives off heat. It uses oxygen. If you can show me any physical property of "spirit" I'm more than open to examine it. That's all it would take. Show me and I'll be hooked. Certain experiments in Noetic Sciences have been shown to be accurate, or have been proven sound. As our technology advances, so does Noetic Science. Even now, there are a few experiments that can be replicated. Dan Brown writes fiction, not science. One of his requirements was that the experiments could be recreated . . . they can. Groovy. Tell us about it so we can do the experiment and prove to ourselves the "spirit" exists. I refer to Dr. Kallend who says, "Do your own homework." You're the one that made the claim such an experiment existed. It's up to you to prove it by providing the evidence of the experiment.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #359 August 8, 2010 Just read this entire thread. Broke and bored is a bad combo. I kept seeing people mention "belief in atheism" or if there was scientific proof of a diety's existence they'd then believe. People don't believe in atheism, it's the absence of belief as there's no scientific proof. It's sort of like saying an anarchist government or a nihlist movement. Additionally were there scientific proof of such a higher power, it would no longer be faith or belief, it would simply be knowledge and logic. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #360 August 8, 2010 Quote Just read this entire thread. Broke and bored is a bad combo. I kept seeing people mention "belief in atheism" or if there was scientific proof of a diety's existence they'd then believe. People don't believe in atheism, it's the absence of belief as there's no scientific proof. It's sort of like saying an anarchist government or a nihlist movement. Additionally were there scientific proof of such a higher power, it would no longer be faith or belief, it would simply be knowledge and logic. Good nutshell. See what sobriety can do for a person? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #361 August 8, 2010 Quote Quote Just read this entire thread. Broke and bored is a bad combo. I kept seeing people mention "belief in atheism" or if there was scientific proof of a diety's existence they'd then believe. People don't believe in atheism, it's the absence of belief as there's no scientific proof. It's sort of like saying an anarchist government or a nihlist movement. Additionally were there scientific proof of such a higher power, it would no longer be faith or belief, it would simply be knowledge and logic. Good nutshell. See what sobriety can do for a person? Like he is sober . . . I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #362 August 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Just read this entire thread. Broke and bored is a bad combo. I kept seeing people mention "belief in atheism" or if there was scientific proof of a diety's existence they'd then believe. People don't believe in atheism, it's the absence of belief as there's no scientific proof. It's sort of like saying an anarchist government or a nihlist movement. Additionally were there scientific proof of such a higher power, it would no longer be faith or belief, it would simply be knowledge and logic. Good nutshell. See what sobriety can do for a person? Like he is sober . . . I am. Post Prairie Detox. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #363 August 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOur ancestors didn't have to understand fire in order to use it . . . The difference is fire has physical properties. You can see it. It give off photons. It gives off heat. It uses oxygen. If you can show me any physical property of "spirit" I'm more than open to examine it. That's all it would take. Show me and I'll be hooked. Certain experiments in Noetic Sciences have been shown to be accurate, or have been proven sound. As our technology advances, so does Noetic Science. Even now, there are a few experiments that can be replicated. Dan Brown writes fiction, not science. One of his requirements was that the experiments could be recreated . . . they can. Groovy. Tell us about it so we can do the experiment and prove to ourselves the "spirit" exists. I refer to Dr. Kallend who says, "Do your own homework." You're the one that made the claim such an experiment existed. It's up to you to prove it by providing the evidence of the experiment. Turtle appears to believe that "The Lost Symbol" is peer reviewed scientific literature.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #364 August 8, 2010 Ralf...dude, come on man...You're missing everyting. Why are you still at home mopin' over some girl that God can't even give you. You missed the jumps, now you're missing the the 10ft bonfire/ drum circle...the perfect athiest baptism. Plenty of women...whatever you want. Call me, you got the number...lets walk the talk baby!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #365 August 8, 2010 Quote Ralf...dude, come on man...You're missing everyting. Why are you still at home mopin' over some girl that God can't even give you. You missed the jumps, now you're missing the the 10ft bonfire/ drum circle...the perfect athiest baptism. Plenty of women...whatever you want. Call me, you got the number...lets walk the talk baby! I never got my athiest baptism... Gotta counter my baptism and confirmation somehow... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #366 August 8, 2010 I kept seeing people mention "belief in atheism" or if there was scientific proof of a diety's existence they'd then believe. People don't believe in atheism, it's the absence of belief as there's no scientific proof. It's sort of like saying an anarchist government or a nihlist movement. Additionally were there scientific proof of such a higher power, it would no longer be faith or belief, it would simply be knowledge and logic. Nope, you don't get away that easy. Everybody creates the reality they live in based on beliefs that make sense to them. Some of those belief are false causing the reality to destabilize. Other beliefs that are true producing a rock solid unwavering reality. And claiming a belief is based on " science" does not give you a 100% guarantee that the information is correct. Especially in areas science is still primitive, like spirituality. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #367 August 8, 2010 Quote I kept seeing people mention "belief in atheism" or if there was scientific proof of a diety's existence they'd then believe. People don't believe in atheism, it's the absence of belief as there's no scientific proof. It's sort of like saying an anarchist government or a nihlist movement. Additionally were there scientific proof of such a higher power, it would no longer be faith or belief, it would simply be knowledge and logic. Nope, you don't get away that easy. Everybody creates the reality they live in based on beliefs that make sense to them. Some of those belief are false causing the reality to destabilize. Other beliefs that are true producing a rock solid unwavering reality. And claiming a belief is based on " science" does not give you a 100% guarantee that the information is correct. Especially in areas science is still primitive, like spirituality. ... Then neither do you. You only have to believe or have faith in things that can't be tested/proven. Meaning one can live a long fulfilling happy life without any faith or belief. Or one can choose to believe in things such a karma and fate but not in higher powers. Or they can have faith and believe in whatever other people tell them without proof.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #368 August 8, 2010 watever man...atheism is a choice dude. Give me a call while I'm still at it, not sure how much longer I can take this athiest shit...it really sux, but it's a blast... were you guys like nerds of somthing in highschool? didn't get a chance to live it up when you were supposed to? I suppose I can understand that... I fell like like I'm 18 again....Athiest must have a peter pan complex or somthing.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #369 August 8, 2010 QuoteAthiest must have a peter pan complex or somthing. Peter Pan? He was the guy that said if you really believe in pixies and clapped your hands you could bring them back to life isn't he? I dunno man, sounds more like religion to me.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #370 August 8, 2010 naw...just a reason to stay immature...but I understand. so, you down quade? sounds like you could use a mid-life crisis bash... how's the video hobbie comming? I could probably give you some tips on compression.don't tread on me bitch. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #371 August 8, 2010 I see you've run out of intelligent things to say about the topic and no longer feel you can defend it. Wow. That was easy.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #372 August 8, 2010 I bet u feel good about yourself, don't you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4zCF7CtVhgYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #373 August 8, 2010 QuoteI bet u feel good about yourself, don't you? Why are you asking about me rather than defending your position? Is it because you have nothing with which to back up your claims?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #374 August 8, 2010 QuoteWhy are you asking about me rather than defending your position? Is it because you have nothing with which to back up your claims? Tell me my position and I'll defend it to the death... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64sYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #375 August 8, 2010 QuoteTell me my position and I'll defend it to the death... Quoting your first post in this thread; Quote I believe God will bring you through this, and though your mother says he will punish you, I have faith that he will use this opportunity to display his grace in a way that will give you a new prespective on life and an appreciation of who he really is... How? If he really wanted to give me an appreciation for who he "really is" wouldn't it just be simpler to take a bunch of stars in the sky and spell out "I am who I am"? I mean, that's something I'd really take notice of. It's something everybody on the planet would be able to see with their own eyes. Why would god need to work in "mysterious ways" when it would just be so much more simple for him to come right out and say it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
