quade 3 #51 February 6, 2010 QuoteI gotta ask. Are potato launchers really illegal in CA? Brief check of Wiki comes up with this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spud_gun_legality#United_States Quote Combustion spud guns are not to be manufactured or possessed by those under the age of 16 in the state of California. Obviously not the final word, but a starting point. I have a feeling that if they were actually illegal in California it would be noted on the page though.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #52 February 6, 2010 Quote I gotta ask. Are potato launchers really illegal in CA? http://tinyurl.com/yz3n4ea-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #53 February 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteNot that interested. A) I have a short enough barrel on my HD 870, and B) I live in the lovely state of California where you check your constitutional rights at the border, and potato launchers are illegal. The point I make is the one spelled out by that famous quote from Animal Farm. Too many blindly trust "law enforcement" to always do the virtuous thing, be just and protective, when in reality, LE is comprised of humans subject to all human vices and failures, just like the "public". I gotta ask. Are potato launchers really illegal in CA? Quote12001. (a) (1) As used in this title, the terms "pistol," "revolver," and "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person" shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length. (2) As used in this title, the term "handgun" means any "pistol," "revolver," or "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person." (b) As used in this title, "firearm" means any device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel, a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion. (c) As used in Sections 12021, 12021.1, 12070, 12071, 12072, 12073, 12078, 12101, and 12801 of this code, and Sections 8100, 8101, and 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, the term "firearm" includes the frame or receiver of the weapon. (d) For the purposes of Sections 12025 and 12031, the term "firearm" also shall include any rocket, rocket propelled projectile launcher, or similar device containing any explosive or incendiary material whether or not the device is designed for emergency or distress signaling purposes. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #54 February 7, 2010 BATFE ruled years ago that potato launchers ARE legal, and do not meet the definition of a firearm. Don't post that crap and get people confused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,649 #55 February 7, 2010 QuoteI gotta ask. Are potato launchers really illegal in CA? *** Quote 12001. (a) (1) ... As used in this title, "firearm" means any device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel, a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #56 February 7, 2010 I'd approve IRS agents having potato guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wolfriverjoe 1,351 #57 February 7, 2010 Quote Quote I gotta ask. Are potato launchers really illegal in CA? *** Quote 12001. (a) (1) ... As used in this title, "firearm" means any device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel, a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion. (d) For the purposes of Sections 12025 and 12031, the term "firearm" also shall include any rocket, rocket propelled projectile launcher, or similar device containing any explosive or incendiary material whether or not the device is designed for emergency or distress signaling purposes. Legalese is a pain. So is a rocket propelled potato a firearm, but one launched by a charge of hairspray from a PVC pipe not?? Or would the rocket propelled potato have to have a charge in it to qualify??"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,649 #58 February 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote I gotta ask. Are potato launchers really illegal in CA? *** Quote 12001. (a) (1) ... As used in this title, "firearm" means any device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel, a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion. (d) For the purposes of Sections 12025 and 12031, the term "firearm" also shall include any rocket, rocket propelled projectile launcher, or similar device containing any explosive or incendiary material whether or not the device is designed for emergency or distress signaling purposes. Legalese is a pain. So is a rocket propelled potato a firearm, but one launched by a charge of hairspray from a PVC pipe not?? Or would the rocket propelled potato have to have a charge in it to qualify?? CA and RI have some wierd rules pertaining to rockets (the other 48 states just conform to Federal regulations). As far as I can tell, the rocket propelled potato is just a firework that has to be approved by the CA Fire Marshal unless the potato contains an explosive charge. www.ocfa.org/_uploads/pdf/guideg01.pdf for example of CA rules.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhaig 0 #59 February 7, 2010 QuoteI'd approve IRS agents having potato guns.don't you have to be drunk (or on the way) to use a potato gun? Or is being on a wind hold enough?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,649 #60 February 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'd approve IRS agents having potato guns.don't you have to be drunk (or on the way) to use a potato gun? Or is being on a wind hold enough? I think being a teenage male qualifies you too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #61 February 8, 2010 QuoteBATFE ruled years ago that potato launchers ARE legal, and do not meet the definition of a firearm. Don't post that crap and get people confused. BATFE can rule however they like, there is nothing to prevent CA from having tougher regulations. People in this state HAVE been prosecuted for having a combustion type potato launcher under CA PC 12001.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #62 February 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteBATFE ruled years ago that potato launchers ARE legal, and do not meet the definition of a firearm. Don't post that crap and get people confused. BATFE can rule however they like, there is nothing to prevent CA from having tougher regulations. People in this state HAVE been prosecuted for having a combustion type potato launcher under CA PC 12001. I'm guessing that compressed-air spud guns are ok, though?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #63 February 8, 2010 Surprisingly, yes they are... And you'll get better distance out of one too! :-)---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #64 March 11, 2010 News:Remington Shotguns, Solicitation Number: EDOOIG-10-000004 "The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14"..."Source: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&_cview=0 And now the Dept. of Education is getting in on this sawed-off shotgun action. School kids, beware! The next time you start throwing spit balls at cute little Susie, the DOE SWAT team may bust in with shiny new sawed-off shotguns to stop you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #65 March 11, 2010 QuoteNews:Remington Shotguns, Solicitation Number: EDOOIG-10-000004 "The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14"..."Source: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&_cview=0 And now the Dept. of Education is getting in on this sawed-off shotgun action. School kids, beware! The next time you start throwing spit balls at cute little Susie, the DOE SWAT team may bust in with shiny new sawed-off shotguns to stop you! I guess you think campus police should be unarmed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #66 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteNews:Remington Shotguns, Solicitation Number: EDOOIG-10-000004 "The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14"..."Source: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&_cview=0 And now the Dept. of Education is getting in on this sawed-off shotgun action. School kids, beware! The next time you start throwing spit balls at cute little Susie, the DOE SWAT team may bust in with shiny new sawed-off shotguns to stop you! I guess you think campus police should be unarmed. So which schools does the DOE patrol? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #67 March 11, 2010 Quote So which schools does the DOE patrol? The link didn't specify any schools. Public state schools receive federal funds. Campus security is a part of that - hopefully a very small part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #68 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuote So which schools does the DOE patrol? The link didn't specify any schools. Public state schools receive federal funds. Campus security is a part of that - hopefully a very small part. I'm well aware that schools receive federal funds, however, they're not ordering checks, they're ordering shotguns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #69 March 11, 2010 Quote I'm well aware that schools receive federal funds, however, they're not ordering checks, they're ordering shotguns. Exactly. We don't arm campus police with checkbooks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #70 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuote I'm well aware that schools receive federal funds, however, they're not ordering checks, they're ordering shotguns. Exactly. We don't arm campus police with checkbooks. I hope we're not arming them with tactical shotguns either. If so, that's a school with serious trouble. Short barreled shotguns don't seem like the most appropriate choice in an environment full of civilians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #71 March 11, 2010 Quote I hope we're not arming them with tactical shotguns either. If so, that's a school with serious trouble. Short barreled shotguns don't seem like the most appropriate choice in an environment full of civilians. I'm comfortable leaving it to them to best know what they need. I have no idea what kind of training these guys receive or are required to receive, but they operate in a series of buildings - all rooms and corridors. Shotgun seems far more logical than a rifle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #72 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuote I hope we're not arming them with tactical shotguns either. If so, that's a school with serious trouble. Short barreled shotguns don't seem like the most appropriate choice in an environment full of civilians. I'm comfortable leaving it to them to best know what they need. I have no idea what kind of training these guys receive or are required to receive, but they operate in a series of buildings - all rooms and corridors. Shotgun seems far more logical than a rifle. Handguns seem far more logical. Not a sawed off shotgun with a large spray pattern. I know if I were the recipient, I'd love the shotgun. Looks and feels badass. But that's why I shouldn't be the one making the call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #73 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuote I'm well aware that schools receive federal funds, however, they're not ordering checks, they're ordering shotguns. Exactly. We don't arm campus police with checkbooks. And we're back to my first question: What, if any, schools are the DOE patrolling? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyD 0 #74 March 11, 2010 Quote And we're back to my first question: What, if any, schools are the DOE patrolling? Come on. Does the DOE provide security? Does the DOE supply teachers, librarians, cafeteria staff, janitors, maintenance workers, administrators, athletic staff, etc., etc.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #75 March 11, 2010 The sawed-off shotgun solicitation is from the DOE Inspector General's office. Here is their home page: http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/index.html Mission Statement "To promote the efficiency, effectiveness, and integrity of the Department's programs and operations, we conduct independent and objective audits, investigations, inspections, and other activities. I don't see anything about that description that would warrant sawed-off shotguns..." Oh, wait... Their org chart is here: http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/organizationalstructure.ppt They show a "technology crimes" division. Try and change your grade from an "F" to an "A" by hacking into the school computer, like David Lightman (Matthew Broderick) in the movie "War Games", and DOE agents will show up with shotguns to get ya! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Andy9o8 0 #56 February 7, 2010 I'd approve IRS agents having potato guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,351 #57 February 7, 2010 Quote Quote I gotta ask. Are potato launchers really illegal in CA? *** Quote 12001. (a) (1) ... As used in this title, "firearm" means any device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel, a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion. (d) For the purposes of Sections 12025 and 12031, the term "firearm" also shall include any rocket, rocket propelled projectile launcher, or similar device containing any explosive or incendiary material whether or not the device is designed for emergency or distress signaling purposes. Legalese is a pain. So is a rocket propelled potato a firearm, but one launched by a charge of hairspray from a PVC pipe not?? Or would the rocket propelled potato have to have a charge in it to qualify??"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,649 #58 February 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote I gotta ask. Are potato launchers really illegal in CA? *** Quote 12001. (a) (1) ... As used in this title, "firearm" means any device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel, a projectile by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion. (d) For the purposes of Sections 12025 and 12031, the term "firearm" also shall include any rocket, rocket propelled projectile launcher, or similar device containing any explosive or incendiary material whether or not the device is designed for emergency or distress signaling purposes. Legalese is a pain. So is a rocket propelled potato a firearm, but one launched by a charge of hairspray from a PVC pipe not?? Or would the rocket propelled potato have to have a charge in it to qualify?? CA and RI have some wierd rules pertaining to rockets (the other 48 states just conform to Federal regulations). As far as I can tell, the rocket propelled potato is just a firework that has to be approved by the CA Fire Marshal unless the potato contains an explosive charge. www.ocfa.org/_uploads/pdf/guideg01.pdf for example of CA rules.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #59 February 7, 2010 QuoteI'd approve IRS agents having potato guns.don't you have to be drunk (or on the way) to use a potato gun? Or is being on a wind hold enough?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,649 #60 February 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteI'd approve IRS agents having potato guns.don't you have to be drunk (or on the way) to use a potato gun? Or is being on a wind hold enough? I think being a teenage male qualifies you too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #61 February 8, 2010 QuoteBATFE ruled years ago that potato launchers ARE legal, and do not meet the definition of a firearm. Don't post that crap and get people confused. BATFE can rule however they like, there is nothing to prevent CA from having tougher regulations. People in this state HAVE been prosecuted for having a combustion type potato launcher under CA PC 12001.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #62 February 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteBATFE ruled years ago that potato launchers ARE legal, and do not meet the definition of a firearm. Don't post that crap and get people confused. BATFE can rule however they like, there is nothing to prevent CA from having tougher regulations. People in this state HAVE been prosecuted for having a combustion type potato launcher under CA PC 12001. I'm guessing that compressed-air spud guns are ok, though?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #63 February 8, 2010 Surprisingly, yes they are... And you'll get better distance out of one too! :-)---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #64 March 11, 2010 News:Remington Shotguns, Solicitation Number: EDOOIG-10-000004 "The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14"..."Source: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&_cview=0 And now the Dept. of Education is getting in on this sawed-off shotgun action. School kids, beware! The next time you start throwing spit balls at cute little Susie, the DOE SWAT team may bust in with shiny new sawed-off shotguns to stop you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #65 March 11, 2010 QuoteNews:Remington Shotguns, Solicitation Number: EDOOIG-10-000004 "The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14"..."Source: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&_cview=0 And now the Dept. of Education is getting in on this sawed-off shotgun action. School kids, beware! The next time you start throwing spit balls at cute little Susie, the DOE SWAT team may bust in with shiny new sawed-off shotguns to stop you! I guess you think campus police should be unarmed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #66 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteNews:Remington Shotguns, Solicitation Number: EDOOIG-10-000004 "The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14"..."Source: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=cb68cf9f3fa2fe18a83d1c3dee0039b2&tab=core&_cview=0 And now the Dept. of Education is getting in on this sawed-off shotgun action. School kids, beware! The next time you start throwing spit balls at cute little Susie, the DOE SWAT team may bust in with shiny new sawed-off shotguns to stop you! I guess you think campus police should be unarmed. So which schools does the DOE patrol? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #67 March 11, 2010 Quote So which schools does the DOE patrol? The link didn't specify any schools. Public state schools receive federal funds. Campus security is a part of that - hopefully a very small part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #68 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuote So which schools does the DOE patrol? The link didn't specify any schools. Public state schools receive federal funds. Campus security is a part of that - hopefully a very small part. I'm well aware that schools receive federal funds, however, they're not ordering checks, they're ordering shotguns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #69 March 11, 2010 Quote I'm well aware that schools receive federal funds, however, they're not ordering checks, they're ordering shotguns. Exactly. We don't arm campus police with checkbooks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #70 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuote I'm well aware that schools receive federal funds, however, they're not ordering checks, they're ordering shotguns. Exactly. We don't arm campus police with checkbooks. I hope we're not arming them with tactical shotguns either. If so, that's a school with serious trouble. Short barreled shotguns don't seem like the most appropriate choice in an environment full of civilians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #71 March 11, 2010 Quote I hope we're not arming them with tactical shotguns either. If so, that's a school with serious trouble. Short barreled shotguns don't seem like the most appropriate choice in an environment full of civilians. I'm comfortable leaving it to them to best know what they need. I have no idea what kind of training these guys receive or are required to receive, but they operate in a series of buildings - all rooms and corridors. Shotgun seems far more logical than a rifle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #72 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuote I hope we're not arming them with tactical shotguns either. If so, that's a school with serious trouble. Short barreled shotguns don't seem like the most appropriate choice in an environment full of civilians. I'm comfortable leaving it to them to best know what they need. I have no idea what kind of training these guys receive or are required to receive, but they operate in a series of buildings - all rooms and corridors. Shotgun seems far more logical than a rifle. Handguns seem far more logical. Not a sawed off shotgun with a large spray pattern. I know if I were the recipient, I'd love the shotgun. Looks and feels badass. But that's why I shouldn't be the one making the call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #73 March 11, 2010 QuoteQuote I'm well aware that schools receive federal funds, however, they're not ordering checks, they're ordering shotguns. Exactly. We don't arm campus police with checkbooks. And we're back to my first question: What, if any, schools are the DOE patrolling? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #74 March 11, 2010 Quote And we're back to my first question: What, if any, schools are the DOE patrolling? Come on. Does the DOE provide security? Does the DOE supply teachers, librarians, cafeteria staff, janitors, maintenance workers, administrators, athletic staff, etc., etc.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #75 March 11, 2010 The sawed-off shotgun solicitation is from the DOE Inspector General's office. Here is their home page: http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/index.html Mission Statement "To promote the efficiency, effectiveness, and integrity of the Department's programs and operations, we conduct independent and objective audits, investigations, inspections, and other activities. I don't see anything about that description that would warrant sawed-off shotguns..." Oh, wait... Their org chart is here: http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/organizationalstructure.ppt They show a "technology crimes" division. Try and change your grade from an "F" to an "A" by hacking into the school computer, like David Lightman (Matthew Broderick) in the movie "War Games", and DOE agents will show up with shotguns to get ya! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
