skittles_of_SDC 0 #1 January 1, 2010 I was hoping a couple of people that are followers of the corresponding faiths could recommend a particular copy of their religious text that is the most accurate translation. I figure all the King James bibles are the same but I have been told the Tanakh and Koran very slightly in translation from publisher to publisher. What I would not like is to get into a debate about these various religions. Thanks in advance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Southern_Man 0 #2 January 1, 2010 I cannot help you with the Koran, as I do not know enough about it. For the Tanakh, there are not all that many choices and all of them are based on the Masoretic Text. I believe the most popular is the one by the Jewish Publication Society. Most accurate is a very hard thing to define, since translation is both an art and a science. The best bet, if you really want to learn, is to study Hebrew. A lot of the published editions have both a Hebrew and an English version in them. Since Hebrew is still the accepted temple language (like Latin before Vatican II). there is less reliance on translated editions in general."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skittles_of_SDC 0 #3 January 2, 2010 Thanks for the info. I really just wanna read through it but read the most accurate one I can. I'm not really ready to put in the time to learn hebrew since I don't plan to convert to the religion I just want a better understanding of it. If I were to decide to go back to school for religious studies (not likely, or maybe it is) then I might consider learning the language. I'll take a look at the JPS one you mentioned. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #4 January 2, 2010 The Koran is just a close copy of the Bible. Changed just enough to make another religion.You will see how close the they are if you study them. Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skittles_of_SDC 0 #5 January 2, 2010 Yeah, I just got up to the chapter in a book I'm reading that says it borrows from both the bible and the torah. I'd still like to give it a read or at least browse it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 187 #6 January 2, 2010 Quote I was hoping a couple of people that are followers of the corresponding faiths could recommend a particular copy of their religious text that is the most accurate translation. I figure all the King James bibles are the same but I have been told the Tanakh and Koran very slightly in translation from publisher to publisher. What I would not like is to get into a debate about these various religions. Thanks in advance. JPS Hebrew-English Tanakh, Jewish Publication Society, Philadelphia, PA 1999/5759 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #7 January 2, 2010 While you are in the comparative religion mood you might want to have a look at the Bhagavad Gita. It is probably the most significant Hindu text and the one where Krishna reveals him to be the supreme being (Yahweh/Allah). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skittles_of_SDC 0 #8 January 3, 2010 QuoteWhile you are in the comparative religion mood you might want to have a look at the Bhagavad Gita. It is probably the most significant Hindu text and the one where Krishna reveals him to be the supreme being (Yahweh/Allah). I'll look into that. Thanks. Thanks winsor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 434 2 #9 January 3, 2010 Could you link your book that made you interested in reading more about religion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skittles_of_SDC 0 #10 January 3, 2010 I can give you a link to the book anyway but really I decided to learn more about religion and just started with said book. It just happened to list other books and give some good information about religious texts. God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens Make note, if you're gonna read this book either you need to have a very good vocabulary or you need to have a dictionary nearby (i used a dictionary on my iPhone). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 434 2 #11 January 3, 2010 Thank you. If you did not read yet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Christianity "The hidden story about Jesus" also a great documentary. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7956238808750388174# http://robertbeckford.co.uk/node/31 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 434 2 #12 January 3, 2010 Quite interesting doc. to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbR8Xwb07Cg&feature=related Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rynodigsmusic 0 #13 January 3, 2010 Quote The Koran is just a close copy of the Bible. Changed just enough to make another religion.You will see how close the they are if you study them. Islam and Judaism are very similar. They are both based on the Torah... the first 5 books of the Bible. The Torah is much older than the Koran but they are both Abrahamic religions. To the OP. Study Abraham (Abram) if you want a greater understanding of the faiths. I tell you bro, its all about Abraham, who is revered in both religions as the man of the covenants. Read Genesis 16 and 17 (King James will be fine, but NIV is easier to read) for an intorduction into whats going on, keeping in mind the radical time difference between the Torah and the Koran. Fundamental Islam is based on Ishmael, and fundamental Judaism is based on Issac. Mohammad is a decendant of Ishmael, David is the descendant of Issac, Jesus is the decendant of David, therefore Christianity is also based on Abraham, but in a much different way."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #14 January 4, 2010 Quote Make note, if you're gonna read this book either you need to have a very good vocabulary or you need to have a dictionary nearby (i used a dictionary on my iPhone). ...or in the alternative, some people do manage to use "having had a good education" as a substitute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skittles_of_SDC 0 #15 January 4, 2010 Quote Quote Make note, if you're gonna read this book either you need to have a very good vocabulary or you need to have a dictionary nearby (i used a dictionary on my iPhone). ...or in the alternative, some people do manage to use "having had a good education" as a substitute. proselytizing solipsism apocryphal pogrom Can you honestly tell me you didn't need to look up any of those words to, at the very, least confirm what you thought it meant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gene03 0 #16 January 4, 2010 Patrick, Stop it. Your scaring me.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skittles_of_SDC 0 #17 January 4, 2010 Quote Patrick, Stop it. Your scaring me. Sorry Gene, I'm getting in the reading habit. I'm gonna be leaving for school soon and I've decided that to save money I will not be buying a TV. That leaves reading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,134 #18 January 4, 2010 It's good for you. Then you can sound like a pedant when you post on dz.com Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #19 January 4, 2010 Quote It's good for you. Then you can sound like a pedant when you post on dz.com Well, if he works at it. It takes dedication. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Southern_Man 0 #2 January 1, 2010 I cannot help you with the Koran, as I do not know enough about it. For the Tanakh, there are not all that many choices and all of them are based on the Masoretic Text. I believe the most popular is the one by the Jewish Publication Society. Most accurate is a very hard thing to define, since translation is both an art and a science. The best bet, if you really want to learn, is to study Hebrew. A lot of the published editions have both a Hebrew and an English version in them. Since Hebrew is still the accepted temple language (like Latin before Vatican II). there is less reliance on translated editions in general."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #3 January 2, 2010 Thanks for the info. I really just wanna read through it but read the most accurate one I can. I'm not really ready to put in the time to learn hebrew since I don't plan to convert to the religion I just want a better understanding of it. If I were to decide to go back to school for religious studies (not likely, or maybe it is) then I might consider learning the language. I'll take a look at the JPS one you mentioned. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #4 January 2, 2010 The Koran is just a close copy of the Bible. Changed just enough to make another religion.You will see how close the they are if you study them. Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #5 January 2, 2010 Yeah, I just got up to the chapter in a book I'm reading that says it borrows from both the bible and the torah. I'd still like to give it a read or at least browse it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #6 January 2, 2010 Quote I was hoping a couple of people that are followers of the corresponding faiths could recommend a particular copy of their religious text that is the most accurate translation. I figure all the King James bibles are the same but I have been told the Tanakh and Koran very slightly in translation from publisher to publisher. What I would not like is to get into a debate about these various religions. Thanks in advance. JPS Hebrew-English Tanakh, Jewish Publication Society, Philadelphia, PA 1999/5759 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 January 2, 2010 While you are in the comparative religion mood you might want to have a look at the Bhagavad Gita. It is probably the most significant Hindu text and the one where Krishna reveals him to be the supreme being (Yahweh/Allah). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #8 January 3, 2010 QuoteWhile you are in the comparative religion mood you might want to have a look at the Bhagavad Gita. It is probably the most significant Hindu text and the one where Krishna reveals him to be the supreme being (Yahweh/Allah). I'll look into that. Thanks. Thanks winsor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #9 January 3, 2010 Could you link your book that made you interested in reading more about religion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #10 January 3, 2010 I can give you a link to the book anyway but really I decided to learn more about religion and just started with said book. It just happened to list other books and give some good information about religious texts. God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens Make note, if you're gonna read this book either you need to have a very good vocabulary or you need to have a dictionary nearby (i used a dictionary on my iPhone). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #11 January 3, 2010 Thank you. If you did not read yet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Christianity "The hidden story about Jesus" also a great documentary. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7956238808750388174# http://robertbeckford.co.uk/node/31 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #12 January 3, 2010 Quite interesting doc. to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbR8Xwb07Cg&feature=related Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rynodigsmusic 0 #13 January 3, 2010 Quote The Koran is just a close copy of the Bible. Changed just enough to make another religion.You will see how close the they are if you study them. Islam and Judaism are very similar. They are both based on the Torah... the first 5 books of the Bible. The Torah is much older than the Koran but they are both Abrahamic religions. To the OP. Study Abraham (Abram) if you want a greater understanding of the faiths. I tell you bro, its all about Abraham, who is revered in both religions as the man of the covenants. Read Genesis 16 and 17 (King James will be fine, but NIV is easier to read) for an intorduction into whats going on, keeping in mind the radical time difference between the Torah and the Koran. Fundamental Islam is based on Ishmael, and fundamental Judaism is based on Issac. Mohammad is a decendant of Ishmael, David is the descendant of Issac, Jesus is the decendant of David, therefore Christianity is also based on Abraham, but in a much different way."We didn't start the fire" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #14 January 4, 2010 Quote Make note, if you're gonna read this book either you need to have a very good vocabulary or you need to have a dictionary nearby (i used a dictionary on my iPhone). ...or in the alternative, some people do manage to use "having had a good education" as a substitute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #15 January 4, 2010 Quote Quote Make note, if you're gonna read this book either you need to have a very good vocabulary or you need to have a dictionary nearby (i used a dictionary on my iPhone). ...or in the alternative, some people do manage to use "having had a good education" as a substitute. proselytizing solipsism apocryphal pogrom Can you honestly tell me you didn't need to look up any of those words to, at the very, least confirm what you thought it meant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene03 0 #16 January 4, 2010 Patrick, Stop it. Your scaring me.“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec quotes (Polish writer, poet and satirist 1906-1966) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #17 January 4, 2010 Quote Patrick, Stop it. Your scaring me. Sorry Gene, I'm getting in the reading habit. I'm gonna be leaving for school soon and I've decided that to save money I will not be buying a TV. That leaves reading. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,134 #18 January 4, 2010 It's good for you. Then you can sound like a pedant when you post on dz.com Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #19 January 4, 2010 Quote It's good for you. Then you can sound like a pedant when you post on dz.com Well, if he works at it. It takes dedication. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
