Butters 0 #101 May 15, 2009 Quote Quote Quote no, i'm saying that blacks are no more criminal than whites Agreed. But what about culture? Are some cultures (such as gang culture) more likely than others to commit crimes ... what about the banker and political gang culture - they seem highly criminal The difference is income and education ... it's easier to catch and convict the poor and uneducated."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #102 May 15, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote So you think more black people are in prison because of racism and not crimes being committed? so you think that blacks are inherently more criminal than whites? Nobody here is saying that except YOU, Kevin. no, i'm saying that blacks are no more criminal than whites Ok... so lets look at the UK stats, shall we? HM prison service shows 78k men and 4k women in the system. Why is the UK legal system biased against males?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #103 May 15, 2009 Quote Ok... so lets look at the UK stats, shall we? HM prison service shows 78k men and 4k women in the system. Why is the UK legal system biased against males? Obviously it's sexist. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #104 May 15, 2009 QuoteOk... so lets look at the UK stats, shall we? HM prison service shows 78k men and 4k women in the system. Why is the UK legal system biased against males? Why are you examining the UK?-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #105 May 15, 2009 Is there a reason that you put those little smilies at the end of your posts? -- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #106 May 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteOk... so lets look at the UK stats, shall we? HM prison service shows 78k men and 4k women in the system. Why is the UK legal system biased against males? Why are you examining the UK? Tit for tat... he is saying that the US is racist because there are more blacks than whites in prison, I am using his (very flawed) logic to show that the UK is sexist since there are more males than females in prison.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #107 May 15, 2009 QuoteQuoteOk... so lets look at the UK stats, shall we? HM prison service shows 78k men and 4k women in the system. Why is the UK legal system biased against males? Why are you examining the UK? QuoteIt was no accident that the United States became the nation with the world’s largest prison population, with 2.3 million behind bars, and a total of 7.3 million in jail, prison, parole or probation, or 1 in every 31 adults. America, with 5 percent of the world’s population, incarcerates 25 percent of the world’s prisoners, and the majority of these are people of color. The most ruthless and repressive totalitarian dictatorship cannot claim such impressive statistics. Public policy, informed by a legacy of Jim Crow racism, the profit motive and obscene, misplaced priorities, explains it all. The United States has decided to treat prisons as a growth industry. Prisons have become the new company town, in a nation where most of the factory jobs left long ago, casualties of globalization and the race to find the lowest worldwide labor costs. They are built in mostly rural White areas, and over the years these communities courted these prisons, whether state-operated or privatized, for the jobs they promised to bring to these depressed communities. Every factory requires raw materials. The raw materials for the prison-as-factory are Blacks and Latinos, and poor Whites—uneducated, in many cases illiterate, and unskilled casualties of a system that has programmed their failure through a cradle-to-prison pipeline. The criminalization of youth of color, systemic poverty, failed public schools and the wholesale denial of opportunity is fundamental to this pipeline. In order to ensure a steady stream of Black, Brown and poor White bodies, these raw materials, into the factory, you must maintain the right policies. So, in the Jim Crow segregated South, the powers that be decided to keep Blacks in their place and eviscerate their political power, to maintain a system of slavery after slavery had been supposedly abolished. Through the Black Codes, the Southern establishment criminalized certain behaviors that were associated with the Black community. Certain offenses such as “mischief,” “insulting gestures” “cruel treatment to animals,” and the “vending of spiritous or intoxicating liquors” applied only to African Americans. In addition, it was illegal for Blacks to cohabit with Whites (which carried a life sentence) or keep firearms. Kangaroo courts were utilized to fill the prisons with Black men, who were farmed out for their labor and summarily, forever, denied the right to vote. Nowadays, a high-tech Jim Crow has met the information age. In recent decades, the war on drugs has resulted in draconian sentencing, particularly for crack cocaine (a drug associated with poor drug users of color) vs. powdered cocaine. Politicians climb the career ladder through their tough on crime stance, exploiting White fears of Black criminality. Police conduct raids and sweeps in Black and Brown poor communities, rather than the suburbs and posh corporate suites, to find illegal drug activity. Communities of color are punished in the process. Black and Latino men (and increasingly women) are shipped upstate to far-flung prisons in White communities. Their families can visit them only through great personal and financial hardship. In a new twist on the infamous Three-Fifths Compromise (which counted slaves as three-fifths of a person for the benefit of the Southern states in terms of Congressional apportionment and the distribution of taxes), these prisoners are counted as residents of these rural for census and tax purposes. Yet, they are unable to vote, and in many cases unable to vote after they complete their sentence (about 5.3 million people cannot vote because they have felony convictions, including 13% of all Black men). http://academic.udayton.edu/Race/03justice/crime18.htmstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #108 May 15, 2009 78k men / 4k women - why is the UK legal system sexist, Kevin?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #109 May 15, 2009 Quote 78k men / 4k women - why is the UK legal system sexist, Kevin? the figures will also show it's racist (for instance we have a dna police database of innocent people - and a huge number of these are of the black population)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #110 May 15, 2009 You have an odd habit of posting totally unrelated things in the midst of discussion. Is that your way of admitting defeat? You also seem to have a habit of linking other people's thoughts rather than having any of your own. At any rate, with regard to your latest posted quotation: I am in total agreement that the US incarcerates far too many people for non-violent (and often victimless) crimes. In my opinion, it's far too expensive to do so. It's also ridiculous to deem something a "crime" that hurts no one. The US, generally, seems to do this because of the amount of crossover morality legislation (trying to tell people how to live their lives), which is a real problem, for me personally. Of course, lots of the rest of the world has similar issues (for example, Sharia law), but often in those places, rather than incarceration in a formal prison, domestic servitude is substituted. I'm against the legislation of morality in either case, although I'm "more" against it here, because here it can impact me personally. I do not, however, have any paranoid delusion that this is a racist plot to keep the black man down. I think it's just a typical screwed up government policy--prohibition didn't work the first time, but still we're doomed to a reprise.-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #111 May 15, 2009 Quote Quote 78k men / 4k women - why is the UK legal system sexist, Kevin? the figures will also show it's racist (for instance we have a dna police database of innocent people - and a huge number of these are of the black population) Oh, absolutely... because, y'know...it was the gov't that forced all those men (and especially black men) to commit those crimes. Do you REALLY believe this massive load of horseshit you're trying to pass off, or are you just taking the piss?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #112 May 15, 2009 Quote You have an odd habit of posting totally unrelated things in the midst of discussion. Is that your way of admitting defeat? You also seem to have a habit of linking other people's thoughts rather than having any of your own. At any rate, with regard to your latest posted quotation: I am in total agreement that the US incarcerates far too many people for non-violent (and often victimless) crimes. In my opinion, it's far too expensive to do so. It's also ridiculous to deem something a "crime" that hurts no one. The US, generally, seems to do this because of the amount of crossover morality legislation (trying to tell people how to live their lives), which is a real problem, for me personally. Of course, lots of the rest of the world has similar issues (for example, Sharia law), but often in those places, rather than incarceration in a formal prison, domestic servitude is substituted. I'm against the legislation of morality in either case, although I'm "more" against it here, because here it can impact me personally. I do not, however, have any paranoid delusion that this is a racist plot to keep the black man down. I think it's just a typical screwed up government policy--prohibition didn't work the first time, but still we're doomed to a reprise. you have an odd habit of jumping in whenever race is mentioned (next you'll be telling me that whites have never plotted to keep the black man down - no slavery, no lynchings)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #113 May 15, 2009 Quote Quote Quote 78k men / 4k women - why is the UK legal system sexist, Kevin? the figures will also show it's racist (for instance we have a dna police database of innocent people - and a huge number of these are of the black population) Oh, absolutely... because, y'know...it was the gov't that forced all those men (and especially black men) to commit those crimes. Do you REALLY believe this massive load of horseshit you're trying to pass off, or are you just taking the piss? i said it was a police database of innocent people (yet you assumed they were guilty)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #114 May 15, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote 78k men / 4k women - why is the UK legal system sexist, Kevin? the figures will also show it's racist (for instance we have a dna police database of innocent people - and a huge number of these are of the black population) Oh, absolutely... because, y'know...it was the gov't that forced all those men (and especially black men) to commit those crimes. Do you REALLY believe this massive load of horseshit you're trying to pass off, or are you just taking the piss? i said it was a police database of innocent people (yet you assumed they were guilty) YOU assumed I was talking about your database and not the prison population.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #115 May 15, 2009 QuoteI was not saying listen to me, you are playing my words. All I am saying is I can understand why torture, especially in the Islamic extremist cultures we are currently fighting, would be used. The people are not weak, and asking them nicely for information is a joke. Apologize if it came across as playing your words. You asked a few questions, and I provided responses to those questions. Did you intend your original questions to be only rhetorical? Again, as I'm reading it, you’re asserting some authority but since were not on SIPR or JWICS … or even AKO … I have the option to ask “Why?” and “How do you come to those conclusions?” Especially when the conclusions you’re asserting are counter to those of 60+ years of operational interrogation experience across multiple agencies. (You or anyone else doesn’t have to answer, of course.) If you work with IC analysts – & I have no reason to doubt that – you know that analysis is not interrogation is not defensive training is not HUMINT (or any other –INT to include OSINT, open-source.) If the argument is that of the FBI Agent who first interrogated Abu Zubaydah and obtained actionable intelligence; the USAF officer who obtained the information using traditional interrogation methods that led to the location and killing of al-Zarqawi in Iraq in 2006; FBI Special Agent Jack Cloonan who averted a real-ticking time bombing situation with a radical Islamist terrorists; FBI Special Dennis Formel, who obtained the identity of Ramzi bin al Shibh (the “20th hijacker”); LTC James Corum, USA (ret) who was in the ‘sandbox’ doing MI; and the active duty and retired Marines interrogators are all part of massive government cover-up? (I recognize that's a somewhat loaded word choice; I don’t know of a better one; "conspiracy" is probably worse. And it is a variant of the words you used in the quotation below.) Quote So, if you knew waterboarding worked, you would still be against it. So then I ask you this, what does a major political and or military public figure gain if he admits to conducting torture, but that it works? He has nothing to gain, it would make more sense, on a major political level, for said person to use his power to avoid the subject, or to use tools at his disposal such as an "Expert" saying that torture doesn't work. A major political figure knows how to cover things up, and nothing does that better than speaking out against the exact thing your hiding. Presidents do it all the time, watch the next election. That assumes a lot better discipline and efficiency across decades of time; multiple agencies; between federal, State, and local systems; and multiple electronic systems than most seem to usually credit the federal government. From a deterrence perspective, there is no benefit to “covering things up.” Quote Even though having an "Expert" commenting on such a subject is completely hypocritical its sickening. How can you have an expert analysis unless the expert has been conducting torture? Are all the people and organizations who have commented that I cited hypocrites? (No, they aren’t.) Part of it, I think, is the entanglement of interrogation with defensive training. One doesn’t have to use a nuclear weapon to be an expert on nuclear weapons effects, operations, or health medicine. If use of a nuclear weapons is required to be able to speak authoritatively to then almost all of the world's nuclear expertise is quickly dying. And, if that is the standard, there is none among the Army’s FA-52s. They aren’t hypocrites either. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #116 May 15, 2009 QuoteIt was no accident that the United States became the nation with the world’s largest prison population, with 2.3 million behind bars, and a total of 7.3 million in jail, prison, parole or probation, or 1 in every 31 adults. No kidding. It took a remarkable amount of consideration and cooperation from all sides. Not only did we have a government that wants to imprison people for selling drugs, but we have people who make the choice of going that route. How many drunk drivers so we have in prison? Loads. It took laws and people willing to break them to get us to that point. QuoteAmerica, with 5 percent of the world’s population, incarcerates 25 percent of the world’s prisoners, and the majority of these are people of color. What? A fact in this? I thought I'd never see a factualy statement. QuoteThe most ruthless and repressive totalitarian dictatorship cannot claim such impressive statistics. No. None of those regimes could. They didn't bother imprisoning them. They just killed them. QuoteThe United States has decided to treat prisons as a growth industry. Prisons have become the new company town, in a nation where most of the factory jobs left long ago, casualties of globalization and the race to find the lowest worldwide labor costs. And amazingly, there are a lot of people who want to become the raw materials for those industries. QuoteThey are built in mostly rural White areas, No shit? They are rural and rural is white. I don't think that they'll be building a new Twin Towers as a prison - it'll cost too much. Note - rural = white. Urban = people of color. rural = low crime numbers. Urban = high crime numbers. Perhaps you may be on to something here. Quoteand over the years these communities courted these prisons, whether state-operated or privatized, for the jobs they promised to bring to these depressed communities. The rich white folks don't want the prisons anywhere near them. And yes, the most powerful union in California may very well be the prison guards union. QuoteEvery factory requires raw materials. The raw materials for the prison-as-factory are Blacks and Latinos, and poor Whites—uneducated, in many cases illiterate, and unskilled casualties of a system that has programmed their failure through a cradle-to-prison pipeline Sir, allow me to shake your hand as I welcome you to the Libertarian party. Note the relationship between the rise of the welfare state and the rise of the poor, illiterate and unskilled. Also note the rise in prison population with the rise in black markets for drugs, etc - "black market" is a "market caused by government intervention." Again, welcome to the Libertarian party. It's this fucked up Great Society that we hope to reverse gears upon. QuoteThe criminalization of youth of color, systemic poverty, failed public schools and the wholesale denial of opportunity is fundamental to this pipeline. Note that opportunity is not denied. Merely the poverty pimps inform them that opportunity is not there. The poor, inner city public school kid? Yes, I know them well. I see one in a mirror. Difference? I saw my parents work to get us out of it. I saw the value of the work and the sacrifice. And the culture that I was given was to work. QuoteIn order to ensure a steady stream of Black, Brown and poor White bodies, these raw materials, into the factory, you must maintain the right policies. Half correct. You need a nice mix of some of the right policies and some of the left policies. QuoteSo, in the Jim Crow segregated South, the powers that be decided to keep Blacks in their place and eviscerate their political power, to maintain a system of slavery after slavery had been supposedly abolished. And yet, the blacks in Jim Crow were productive members of society. They were respectful and worked hard. People pick on the image portrayed by Amos and Andy, but they were solid folks. I am not defending Jim Crow. It was abhorrent and despicable. What we see now is, in a sense, a very real personification of "how can we improve upon Jim Crow? Yes. By making the poor blacks and Latinos believe that we are there for them." QuoteThrough the Black Codes, the Southern establishment criminalized certain behaviors that were associated with the Black community. Certain offenses such as “mischief,” “insulting gestures” “cruel treatment to animals,” and the “vending of spiritous or intoxicating liquors” applied only to African Americans. In addition, it was illegal for Blacks to cohabit with Whites (which carried a life sentence) or keep firearms. Kangaroo courts were utilized to fill the prisons with Black men, who were farmed out for their labor and summarily, forever, denied the right to vote. Note - all of these activities were associated with the white community, too - except for the cohabiting with whites. The laws were set up to punish blacks for doing the same thing. Of course, it reeks of bigotry to say that "mischief,” “insulting gestures” “cruel treatment to animals,” and the “vending of spiritous or intoxicating liquors” are the province of black communities. QuoteNowadays, a high-tech Jim Crow has met the information age. In recent decades, the war on drugs has resulted in draconian sentencing, particularly for crack cocaine (a drug associated with poor drug users of color) vs. powdered cocaine. Yep. We couldn't put the whole of the entertainment industry in jail. They were valuable campaign donors and fundraisers. QuotePoliticians climb the career ladder through their tough on crime stance, exploiting White fears of Black criminality. Because the blacks were the ones with balls enough to move into supplying the crack. Honkies didn't do that. QuotePolice conduct raids and sweeps in Black and Brown poor communities, rather than the suburbs and posh corporate suites, to find illegal drug activity. Yes. Mainly because people aren't getting murdered nightly in the suburbs. But when a person a day is getting killed in the hood, do you direct your attention to the suburbs? QuoteBlack and Latino men (and increasingly women) are shipped upstate to far-flung prisons in White communities. A hint for you. Around here, there is no such thing. I'll list Avenal State prison in Central California. It is a primarily agricultural area on the west end of Kings County. It was probably the first community that lobbied for a prison. It got it. Whites are not the majority here. Latinos probably are. And they work at the prison, too. A year later Corcoran state Prison opened just down the road. Same demographics, bro. QuoteTheir families can visit them only through great personal and financial hardship. That's what going to prison does. Here's a proposed solution: (1) eliminate drug laws; and (2) eliminate the social welfare programs. It'll suck for about 5 or 10 years as the country withdraws and goes through national DT's. But rehab isn't easy. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #117 May 15, 2009 you use a lot of words lawrocket - but have very little to actually say. meanwhile... QuoteThose who are interested in the expansion of the prison boom, including the corrections officers’ union in California, private prison firms, and others, lobby state legislatures for longer, harsher sentences to keep more people behind bars for longer periods of time. As a result, ruinous policies based on catchy slogans, including three strikes laws, have prevailed. And as the prison population has burgeoned in the process, so too have the state budget allocations for prison spending. A society should be judged for its misplaced priorities when it spends more on incarcerating people than on educating them. But this is where criminal justice policy clashes with economic reality. At a time when states are going bankrupt—unable to pay their state employees, unable to pay tax refunds, or unable to collect the trash—ineffective profligate prison spending is breaking the banks of state governments. And despite the promises of a retributive and punitive legal regime, the war on drugs has been an abysmal failure. Draconian sentencing destroys communities and does not fight crime. America’s attitude towards drugs and drug policy, not to mention a steady supply of guns from the U.S., is wreaking havoc on cartel-ridden Mexico. And as the Obama administration has signaled that the federal government is moving away from the decriminalization of marijuana, California is now considering legalizing marijuana and taxing it to bring in billions of dollars in annual revenue. One thing is for sure: the current path is bankrupting the United States, both in a moral and economic sense. The prison building madness has run its course, and it is time for it to stop. In a nation that has tried to make a buck from just about everything, including human bondage and the misery of others, America must stop feeding the prison monster. http://academic.udayton.edu/Race/03justice/crime18.htmstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #118 May 16, 2009 Quoteyou use a lot of words lawrocket - but have very little to actually say. Wrong. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #119 May 16, 2009 ...says the person who can't come up with a reasonable argument of their own... -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #120 May 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotea racist outcome is when nearly six times as many blacks as whites are in prison A racist outcome is one wherein different people are treated differently because of their skin colors. Trying to create "inmate parity" by creating some kind of racial balance in prisons would certainly be racist. unless you're saying blacks are six times inherently more criminal than whites then the american prison system is obviously, logically racist. why waste your time denying this? (and yes, in the us, as in many other anglo saxon, blue eyed countries, blacks are treated differently because of their skin colour. study after study has shown this quite objectively) So you think more black people are in prison because of racism and not crimes being committed? so you think that blacks are inherently more criminal than whites? I think the prison population consists of those who commit crimes. If you choose to make it a race issue then that's on you. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #121 May 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote a racist outcome is when nearly six times as many blacks as whites are in prison A racist outcome is one wherein different people are treated differently because of their skin colors. Trying to create "inmate parity" by creating some kind of racial balance in prisons would certainly be racist. unless you're saying blacks are six times inherently more criminal than whites then the american prison system is obviously, logically racist. why waste your time denying this? (and yes, in the us, as in many other anglo saxon, blue eyed countries, blacks are treated differently because of their skin colour. study after study has shown this quite objectively) So you think more black people are in prison because of racism and not crimes being committed? so you think that blacks are inherently more criminal than whites? I think the prison population consists of those who commit crimes. If you choose to make it a race issue then that's on you. you choose to make it a race issue bu putting so many black men in prison Quote The system takes men with limited education and job skills and stigmatizes them in a way that makes it hard for them to find jobs, slashes their wages when they do find them, and brands them as bad future spouses. The effects of imprisonment ripple out from prisoners, breaking up families and further impoverishing neighborhoods, creating the conditions for more crime down the road. Prisons have grown into potent "engines of inequality," in the words of sociologist Bruce Western; the penal system, he and other scholars suggest, actively widens the gap between the poor - especially poor black men - and everyone else. "This is a historic transformation of the character of American society," says Glenn Loury, a Brown University economist who has begun to write on this topic, most recently in the Boston Review. "We are managing the losers by confinement." The shift isn't just academic. In national politics, concern about the people who actually go to prison has been drowned out by tough-on-crime rhetoric, but today the issue is getting a hearing from some politicians, and not just hard-left liberals. On Oct. 4, Congress's Joint Economic Committee will hear testimony from Western, Loury, and others on the economic and social costs of the prison boom. The session will be chaired by Jim Webb, the gruff, moderate Democratic Senator from Virginia. Cities including Boston and San Francisco are changing their hiring practices to destigmatize prisoners, and there is detectable momentum in Congress toward reducing the extraordinarily harsh minimum sentences for possession of crack cocaine, which disproportionately affect poor black Americans. The issue has arrived on the public agenda in part because of the work done by a handful of leading sociologists. Western's 2006 book "Punishment and Inequality in America" is a key work in this new scholarly movement. Devah Pager, a Princeton sociologist, has been making headlines since her dissertation, completed in 2002 at the University of Wisconsin, demonstrated how a criminal record - even for nonviolent drug offenses - made it nearly impossible for black ex-convicts in Milwaukee to land a job. This month, a book based on that work, "Marked: Race, Crime, and Finding Work in an Era of Mass Incarceration," appears in bookstores. And the sociologist Lawrence Bobo, who left Harvard for Stanford two years ago but is returning in January, has been investigating how the growing black prison population is eroding African-Americans' confidence in the rule of law. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/09/23/life_sentence/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #122 May 16, 2009 Quote you choose to make it a race issue bu putting so many black men in prison I've never met FallingOsh, but I'm skeptical of your claim that he has personally put many black men in prison. How many? In what capacity did he incarcerate them? Was he a police officer? A judge? A juror?-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #123 May 16, 2009 Quote you use a lot of words lawrocket - but have very little to actually say. That is one of the funniest things I have ever seen you post, dreamdancer. Could you post the link where you came up with that sentence because I doubt you were able to think of that on your own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #124 May 16, 2009 Quote Quote you use a lot of words lawrocket - but have very little to actually say. That is one of the funniest things I have ever seen you post, dreamdancer. Could you post the link where you came up with that sentence because I doubt you were able to think of that on your own. Actually, I was waiting for him to put: http://www.alternet.org/lawrocket_sucksI give him this - he cites his sources. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #125 May 16, 2009 Quote Quote you use a lot of words lawrocket - but have very little to actually say. Wrong. nice one (short and pithy)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
