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Look, the intelligence (Oxymoron)!! was shite - but someone(s) built it - and it can't all have been accidental.
believe what you want but I think that it was all a setup and premeditated. A lot of us thought and said that it was shit at the time - many others swallowed it hook-line and sinker..... Their bad.
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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
believe what you want but I think that it was all a setup and premeditated. A lot of us thought and said that it was shit at the time - many others swallowed it hook-line and sinker..... Their bad.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
I tend to agree with you.... I just think it is ironic that people want to forget that the whole thing was supported by both sides and by other countries. Biden is a joke!
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kallend 1,651
QuoteWhy not. There were none there prior to our invasion (which, of course, was based on a tissue of lies).
I suppose you forgot the other intelligence from other countries that said Iraq had WMD's, or that many Dem leaders said the same thing INCLUDING our wonderful VP elect whom said many times publicly that he was 100% positive that Iraq had WMD's and that we should invade.
blah blah blah of GOP talking points”
1. There are MANY of us who at the time concluded the "intel" did not have credibility.
2. A bipartisan Senate report on pre-war intelligence on Iraq stated "The US Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.” These included President Bush's statements of a partnership between Iraq and Al Qa'ida, that Saddam Hussein was preparing to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups, and Iraq's capability to produce chemical weapons.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 1,651
QuoteI tend to agree with you.... I just think it is ironic that people want to forget that the whole thing was supported by both sides and by other countries. Biden is a joke!
When the administration lied to the people and the Congress, what do you expect?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteWhy not. There were none there prior to our invasion (which, of course, was based on a tissue of lies).
I suppose you forgot the other intelligence from other countries that said Iraq had WMD's, or that many Dem leaders said the same thing INCLUDING our wonderful VP elect whom said many times publicly that he was 100% positive that Iraq had WMD's and that we should invade.
blah blah blah of GOP talking points”
1. There are MANY of us who at the time concluded the "intel" did not have credibility.
2. A bipartisan Senate report on pre-war intelligence on Iraq stated "The US Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.” These included President Bush's statements of a partnership between Iraq and Al Qa'ida, that Saddam Hussein was preparing to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups, and Iraq's capability to produce chemical weapons.
No talking points above.... just fact! Oh you missed the quotes from your wonderful VP elect..... take a minute and reread then. I will wait......................................................................................... all done? Great, once again no matter who said the intel was faulty there were reps on BOTH sides that found it credible like JOE BIDEN who swore they were there and that we needed to invade and get Sadam or do you dispute that? I can give you more quotes. Maybe some quotes from other Dems.? By the way some in the GOP also said the intel may be faulty but once again you want to overlook that and blame it all on Bush and the GOP. So the word "responsibility" doesn't really mean much to you then? I do not think Bush did the greatest job either and I feel he screwed up a lot but your jaded view that he or the GOP caused all of this is insane! Thank God you get to voice these opinions and we remain a free country thanks to many Dems. & REPUBLICANS! Politics are not black and white and every one of them has an agenda. To not see that is insanity.
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QuoteQuoteI tend to agree with you.... I just think it is ironic that people want to forget that the whole thing was supported by both sides and by other countries. Biden is a joke!
When the administration lied to the people and the Congress, what do you expect?
Your blame game is comical at best! Once again..... just the administration got it wrong.... are you F'ing kidding me?
Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it.
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www.fundraiseadventure.com
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kallend 1,651
QuoteQuoteQuoteI tend to agree with you.... I just think it is ironic that people want to forget that the whole thing was supported by both sides and by other countries. Biden is a joke!
When the administration lied to the people and the Congress, what do you expect?
Your blame game is comical at best! Once again..... just the administration got it wrong.... are you F'ing kidding me?
Try reading it again, and try to understand it this time.
Here's a HINT from the US Senate report:
"The US Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.”
So, not to mince words, the Bush administration lied to support its preconceived position, and a lot of people on both sides believed the lies. A lot of right wingers STILL believe the lies.
Specific items taken from the report's preamble:
The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include:
Ø Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.
Ø Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.
Ø Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.
Ø Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.
Ø The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.
Ø The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.
Additionally, the Committee issued a report on the Intelligence Activities Relating to Iraq conducted by the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group and the Office of Special Plans within the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. The report found that the clandestine meetings between Pentagon officials and Iranians in Rome and Paris were inappropriate and mishandled from beginning to end. Deputy National Security Advisor Steve Hadley and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz failed to keep the Intelligence Community and the State Department appropriately informed about the meetings. The involvement of Manucher Ghobanifer and Michael Ledeen in the meetings was inappropriate. Potentially important information collected during the meetings was withheld from intelligence agencies by Pentagon officials. Finally, senior Defense Department officials cut short internal investigations of the meetings and failed to implement the recommendations of their own counterintelligence experts.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI tend to agree with you.... I just think it is ironic that people want to forget that the whole thing was supported by both sides and by other countries. Biden is a joke!
When the administration lied to the people and the Congress, what do you expect?
Your blame game is comical at best! Once again..... just the administration got it wrong.... are you F'ing kidding me?
Try reading it again, and try to understand it this time.
Here's a HINT from the US Senate report:
"The US Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent. As a result, the American people were led to believe that the threat from Iraq was much greater than actually existed.”
So, not to mince words, the Bush administration lied to support its preconceived position, and a lot of people on both sides believed the lies. A lot of right wingers STILL believe the lies.
Specific items taken from the report's preamble:
The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include:
Ø Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.
Ø Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.
Ø Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.
Ø Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.
Ø The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.
Ø The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.
Additionally, the Committee issued a report on the Intelligence Activities Relating to Iraq conducted by the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group and the Office of Special Plans within the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. The report found that the clandestine meetings between Pentagon officials and Iranians in Rome and Paris were inappropriate and mishandled from beginning to end. Deputy National Security Advisor Steve Hadley and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz failed to keep the Intelligence Community and the State Department appropriately informed about the meetings. The involvement of Manucher Ghobanifer and Michael Ledeen in the meetings was inappropriate. Potentially important information collected during the meetings was withheld from intelligence agencies by Pentagon officials. Finally, senior Defense Department officials cut short internal investigations of the meetings and failed to implement the recommendations of their own counterintelligence experts.
I am no longer going to addrees the garbage you spew because you refuse to aknowledge that what I am saying is correct. It is by the way..... correct! How old are you by the way? Just curious....
Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it.
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Amazon 7
QuoteSome choose to serve in the military and some choose to serve through elected government. I would never say one is a better person than another because of their career choices.
When someone chooses to take us to an optional war based on their watching John Wayne movies and being war hawks who dig war.. I SURE AS HELL believe it has a bearing.. want to bet Obama does not do that???
This particular group of turd blossoms.. have chosen to serve THEMSELVES allof their lives.. and a few you could call FRIENDS of the administration more than they have EVER served the American people. I guess it does not matter to you that several thousand of your countrymen paid the ultimate price for a bogus war... to improve the economics of a very few
Amazon 7
Quotebelieve what you want but I think that it was all a setup and premeditated. A lot of us thought and said that it was shit at the time - many others swallowed it hook-line and sinker..... Their bad.
And are STILL parroting the same BS now.. years later becuase they HAVE TO BELIEVE... the alternative is having to admit they supported a bunch of BS from day one.. and they were idiots to believe in the first place. Their Imperious Leader could not possibly have foolded them once...shame on him...fooled them twice shame on all of them.
QuoteQuoteSome choose to serve in the military and some choose to serve through elected government. I would never say one is a better person than another because of their career choices.
When someone chooses to take us to an optional war based on their watching John Wayne movies and being war hawks who dig war.. I SURE AS HELL believe it has a bearing.. want to bet Obama does not do that???
This particular group of turd blossoms.. have chosen to serve THEMSELVES allof their lives.. and a few you could call FRIENDS of the administration more than they have EVER served the American people. I guess it does not matter to you that several thousand of your countrymen paid the ultimate price for a bogus war... to improve the economics of a very few
So, since you served in the military, your opinion is the only one that matters? You're the only one who can decide on matters of State and foreign relations?
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Amazon 7
QuoteSo, since you served in the military, your opinion is the only one that matters? You're the only one who can decide on matters of State and foreign relations?
Yes.
Next inane question
I've always trusted what the Washington Post said....... seriously?
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