3rd Presidential Debate 10/15/2008 Who won??????

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Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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More importantly, did it sway the undecided voters?

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[PeregrineFalcon 0]

I didn't watch. My wife is an Obama supporter and she said she thought McCain won this one. She'd never vote for him so it really doesn't matter. But there's one Democrat who is admitting the other side won this particular debate. To compare, she said that Obama easily trounced him the first debate and barely won the second.

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I didn't watch. My wife is an Obama supporter and she said she thought McCain won this one. She'd never vote for him so it really doesn't matter. But there's one Democrat who is admitting the other side won this particular debate. To compare, she said that Obama easily trounced him the first debate and barely won the second.

McCain's best of the three. McC did what he had to (attack), and Obama did what he had to (stay cool and look presidential). I doubt it will change anyone's mind.

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According to CNN's polls both local and national, Obama handily won.
Online poll-85% say Obama won
Local Ohio sample-67% say Obama won
Local Ohio sample-7% of undecided say Obama changed their mind in his favor.
CNN's Electoral Prediction Map has Obama at 277 electoral votes vs McCain at 174.
66% of polled viewers felt Obama more clearly expressed his views.
80% felt McCain spent more time attacking his opponent.
56% say Obama appeared to be the stronger leader.
70% said Obama is more likeable during the debate vs 22% feeling McCain had the more approachable personality.
FoxNews isn't quite as extreme, but even Fox seems to think Obama was the leader in this one.

But...their polls are probably as accurate as the DZ.com polls.
Personally, I thought McCain was at his strongest and most definitive.

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My wife is an Obama supporter and she said she thought McCain won this one.

Did she say why?

I didn't see the first 30 minutes of it, but from what I did see, I wouldn't say that McCain "won." He seemed a bit angry, and his attempts to attack Obama didn't seem to go off very well.

But I don't really think anyone "wins" these debates anyway.

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I didn't watch. My wife is an Obama supporter and she said she thought McCain won this one. She'd never vote for him so it really doesn't matter. But there's one Democrat who is admitting the other side won this particular debate. To compare, she said that Obama easily trounced him the first debate and barely won the second.

McCain's best of the three. McC did what he had to (attack), and Obama did what he had to (stay cool and look presidential). I doubt it will change anyone's mind.

Yea, the grouchy ole man came thru, but he had to do it I guess. He's been trying everything, not to long ago he tried the 'be nice to Obama' approach, n ow he's back to McCain politics as usual.

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They accomplished different things, I think.

McCain "took the gloves off" and made his supporters very happy. He said all the things they've been wanting him to say (Ayers etc) and stayed on the attack the whole time. If there are any undecided Obama-haters out there, this may have convinced them.

Of course, the number of Obama-haters who are not yet voting for McCain is probably small.

Obama did nothing differently. He made the same points he has made for the last two debates. He responded well to McCain's attacks and declined to make many of his own. He came across as a pretty staid guy overall. One commenter compared him to a "redwood forest." "McCain fired some cannonballs into it, but afterwards, it was still a redwood forest."

I can definitely see why McCain chose the strategy that he did. Put simply, he had nothing to lose. He is likely going to lose if current trends continue, and thus a repeat of the last two debates doesn't help him. He may have hoped that his new attacks got perceived as strength or steadiness as a counter to popular perception that he's becoming unsteady and vague. A possible way his strategy may backfire is that non-political-junkies (i.e. most people) saw McCain make the same sort of attacks he's made in his ads - but also saw Obama very calmly refute them for the first time. That may neuter some of McCain's future attack ads. "McCain is still talking about that Ayers guy? Obama already answered that in the debate."

Overall I think both did what they set out to do.

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Due to prior commitments taking longer than expected, I missed the first 20 minutes of the debate. I gather from the post-debate analysts that the "first part of the debate" (however long that is) was McCain's strong showing. I did catch the last 80 minutes, despite having to switch from PBS to CBS halfway through due to problems with the cable (and found the split screen thing entertaining).

In my opinion, this was easily the best of the three debates. They actually confronted each other and to some degree argued their own cases as contrasted by the other's. Also, for the most part, the guys stayed on point (with the ridiculous exception of McCain somehow answering a question about how he would reduce the US dependence on foreign oil in his first term with 40 new nuclear reactors online within 4 years...thus NAFTA something...thus Columbia free trade something...thus "my opponent wants to talk to Ahmadinejad without preconditions").

Also in my opinion, Obama mopped the floor with McCain in this one. I thought the first two debates were poor in quality and didn't think either had a decisive winner. Granted, I only saw 80% of this one, but I didn't think there was any question as to who had better answers to the questions asked, better responses to his opponent's answers, and who overall acted more presidential. In my mind, it wasn't even close...Obama won handily.

What the hell was McCain talking about when he said he thought one way to improve education would be to let every veteran who has ever served his country be automatically eligible to become a teacher without being subject to "those examinations, and those certifications"? Are you kidding me?

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[grimmie 177]

"Iraq, Afghanistan"..not a word...what the hell?

[kallend 1,651]

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"Iraq, Afghanistan"..not a word...what the hell?

Stated agenda was domestic policy.

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[kallend 1,651]

On further thought I believe the winner was Joe the Plumber. Not only was he revered by McCain, but based on IRS statistics, over half of the tax cheating comes from small business owners who under report income and claim personal expenditures as deductions, so he probably will pay less tax than he did as an employee.

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did your wife explain her thoughts? i'm not criticizing her at all, but i really got up after that debate expecting to see the whole country laughing at McCain. i was completely convinced that he'd ruined himself. while most of the early polls and voting side with me there, i'm surprised at how much praise i'm seeing for John McCain.

one thing that really stuck out to me: mccain has said more than once that he doesn't believe in rewarding or engaging a country that condones the oppression of it's people. yet he's pro CAFTA, and was quick to make note of obama's willingness to meet with chavez - even though obama included ridding the US of its dependence on Venezuelan oil in his energy plan.both countries are guilty of human rights violations as far as i'm concerned..i just don't get it.

Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison!

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What the hell was McCain talking about when he said he thought one way to improve education would be to let every veteran who has ever served his country be automatically eligible to become a teacher without being subject to "those examinations, and those certifications"?

I was wondering about that too. But it was so out there that I decided that that couldn't have been what he meant to say. (?)

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it felt to me like after the acorn and ayers allegations, mccain fell apart but that could just be me. i just kept thinking 'grouchy old man'.

"HEY YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!"

there was so much he said that wasn't even offensive to my personal and/or political beliefs - it just didn't make any damn sense. still don't know what to make of it all.

hmmm...

Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison!

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there was so much he said that wasn't even offensive to my personal and/or political beliefs - it just didn't make any damn sense. still don't know what to make of it all.

He was being mavericky and all...

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[ltdiver 3]

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He came across as a pretty staid guy overall. One commenter compared him to a "redwood forest." "McCain fired some cannonballs into it, but afterwards, it was still a redwood forest."

What I saw was that McCain kept pointing fingers and trying to discredit his opponent, which then gave Obama the chance to set the record straight. IMO this debate gave the perfect platform for the democratic nominee to once again stand up and pierce through McCain's 'scare tactics' and 1/2 truths.

Yeah, I know they probably -both- do a bit of this, but this time the platform suited Obama for the win.

ltdiver

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He came across as a pretty staid guy overall. One commenter compared him to a "redwood forest." "McCain fired some cannonballs into it, but afterwards, it was still a redwood forest."


I liked an analogy i heard after the VP debate. something like "joe biden was shooting a rifle and sarah palin was just throwing bullets". seems a bit more fitting tonight, i think...

Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison!

[GQ_jumper 4]

McCain delivered the good shots that he had to the problem was he didn't stay on top of it to finish Obama off. Imagine the fighter that drops his opponent then gives him time to stand up and recover instead of finishing him off, that's what it was like. He'd take a good shot then drift off on what sounded like a rally speech, not a debate dialogue.

I hate to say it but it looks like we're in for some change, unfortunately we're going to change into a socialist government.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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McCain delivered the good shots that he had to the problem was he didn't stay on top of it to finish Obama off. Imagine the fighter that drops his opponent then gives him time to stand up and recover instead of finishing him off, that's what it was like. He'd take a good shot then drift off on what sounded like a rally speech, not a debate dialogue.

I hate to say it but it looks like we're in for some change, unfortunately we're going to change into a socialist government.

For Chrissakes, people said the same thing when Kennedy was elected, they said the same thing when Clinton was elected. Clinton got a blow job and turned over a pretty good budget to Lil' W.
That said...take your exact words and apply them to McCain as president facing down Chavez (Oh yeah, he won't meet with Chavez) or facing down Putin, Jintao, Triet, or other volatile world leader....and blinking like he did tonight. McCain looked like he was ready to throw down a couple of times tonight rather than word it out. Face it, McCain isn't as literate, educated, nor intelligent as Obama. He's only more experienced because he's almost twice Obama's age.

Wouldn't you rather have the redwood forest standing quiet, strong, and literate, not flustered by the windbag blowing bullshit cannon balls in his face?

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i really got up after that debate expecting to see the whole country laughing at McCain. i was completely convinced that he'd ruined himself.

If McCain wins, can I use this as my sigline?

BTW, LMAO....

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[SkyChimp 0]

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I didn't watch. My wife is an Obama supporter and she said she thought McCain won this one. She'd never vote for him so it really doesn't matter. But there's one Democrat who is admitting the other side won this particular debate. To compare, she said that Obama easily trounced him the first debate and barely won the second.

I am a McCain supporter and I thought McCain got him on content in this debate. However, Obama is a great Xerox copier salesman and he has a talent for being smooth. Obama is very eloquent when it comes to having a debate. I should've hired him to work for me at my company. I need someone with that kind of talent. McCain's detriment with debating is his stuttering. People take that as fumbling but that's simply how he speaks.

Oh well..... the only poll that counts is November 4th so we'll see what happens.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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McCain delivered the good shots that he had to the problem was he didn't stay on top of it to finish Obama off. Imagine the fighter that drops his opponent then gives him time to stand up and recover instead of finishing him off, that's what it was like. He'd take a good shot then drift off on what sounded like a rally speech, not a debate dialogue.

I hate to say it but it looks like we're in for some change, unfortunately we're going to change into a socialist government.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I hate to say it but it looks like we're in for some change, unfortunately we're going to change into a socialist government.


If it happens, it will take decades or a major event as with the Ruskies. I don't see how you can decry that considering the corpratist system is working so well.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McCain's detriment with debating is his stuttering.


And his angry disposition.

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CNN's Electoral Prediction Map has Obama at 277 electoral votes vs McCain at 174.

The map hasnt chnaged since at least Tuesday afternoon: its pre-debate.

Remster