jakee 1,259 #51 September 14, 2007 QuoteAIDS...acquired immune deficiency syndrome. It is something you acquire. Your examples do not correlate. If you are sexually active and have multiple partners or IV drug use you risk getting aids. Simple as that. It is, for the most part, a lifestyle disease. If you practice safe sex then your chances of getting aids are slim. Aids was not around 50 years ago. Why is that? Because sleeping around was not as common as it is today. People sleeping around did not cause SIV to become HIV. And again, why bring it up in this thread? Do you think casual sex/ homosexual sex should be something for the government to regulate? If not, can you give me an actual example of where you think overzealous seperation of church and state is causing a decline in morality? Can anyone give me an actual example?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #52 September 14, 2007 QuoteAids was not around 50 years ago. Why is that? Because sleeping around was not as common as it is today. Syphilis goes back to ancient times; "sleeping around" was neither invented nor perfected by the 20th Century. H5NI (the most recent avian influenza virus), Ebola, Marburg, Nipah were not around 50 years ago either. Drug resistant strains of multiple pathogens, e.g., TB, MRSA, were not around 50 years ago. New infectious diseases are emerging at about a rate of 1 per year since 1970 (source: WHO). The epidemiological origin of -- that is what was original animal host of the pathogen and what caused it to jump the species boundary -- has nothing to do with who sleeps with who. If you want to assign a "lifestyle" to the origin of AIDS its much more likely (1) mining (in caves) or (2) eating meat (primates specifically) &/or (3) expansion of humans into areas which we had previously not been. There are feline (FIV) and primate (SIV) versions of HIV; are those "lifestyle" diseases as well? If you want to assign a "lifestyle" factor to the spread (not origin) of AIDS, international air travel is a better one. If your profile is correct, we are geographically less than 30 miles apart but separated by worlds. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #53 September 14, 2007 Nice post; and GREAT signature line." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #54 September 14, 2007 If your profile is correct, we are geographically less than 30 miles apart but separated by worlds. Are you saying Diversity is a bad thing? Im sure you have people in your neighborhood that disagree with you as well. The point I was trying to make was simple: If you are sexually active or use IV drugs you have a greater chance of getting Aids. Is that not true? Answer the question. Nothing more.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #55 September 14, 2007 QuoteAre you saying Diversity is a bad thing? Im sure you have people in your neighborhood that disagree with you as well. I was trying to gently and pedagogically convey that more knowledge is a good thing. You may chose what you want to believe is "bad." /Marg Original assertion: QuoteMy point is that morals in America have been in decline and continue to decline. I don't know where the blame lies. Breakdown of traditional family values. Example-the Aids epidemic. This is a lifestyle disease with the exception of blood transfusion or where a mother gives it to a newborn child. Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #56 September 15, 2007 Quote Quote Dang ... sad ... another virus, polio, re-emerged from Northern Nigeria in 2003 spreading to more than a dozen countries and halfway around the world because strongly "religious" folks were opposed to the vaccine on "moral grounds." One of false reasons was that it was perceived to spread AIDS. And lets not forget the tireless efforts of the Vatican to prevent condom use in the worst AIDS hit countries in the world. Ah, let us not forget that the disease can be avoided by one keeping thier knees together or thier dick in thier pants"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #57 September 15, 2007 How callous can you get?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #58 September 15, 2007 QuoteHow callous can you get? Sorry if the truth is too painful"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #59 September 15, 2007 The fathers knew more than anybody. This country was to be a NON-COMPOSITE society....Period. Seperate of Church and state. They understood..... The Bible prescribed it....the fathers lived it out.... Man is to Blame .....not GOD. We fugged it up....take responsibility....RepentYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,649 #60 September 15, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Dang ... sad ... another virus, polio, re-emerged from Northern Nigeria in 2003 spreading to more than a dozen countries and halfway around the world because strongly "religious" folks were opposed to the vaccine on "moral grounds." One of false reasons was that it was perceived to spread AIDS. And lets not forget the tireless efforts of the Vatican to prevent condom use in the worst AIDS hit countries in the world. Ah, let us not forget that the disease can be avoided by one keeping thier knees together or thier dick in thier pants I know someone that got AIDS from blood transfusion during surgery. Kindly explain how he could have avoided it by using your methods.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #61 September 15, 2007 What's painful is knowing how many people there are that think just like you.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #62 September 15, 2007 Quote What's painful is knowing how many people there are that think just like you. What is really saddening.. is all the rubes out there that still believe that its a gay disease. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #63 September 15, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Dang ... sad ... another virus, polio, re-emerged from Northern Nigeria in 2003 spreading to more than a dozen countries and halfway around the world because strongly "religious" folks were opposed to the vaccine on "moral grounds." One of false reasons was that it was perceived to spread AIDS. And lets not forget the tireless efforts of the Vatican to prevent condom use in the worst AIDS hit countries in the world. Ah, let us not forget that the disease can be avoided by one keeping thier knees together or thier dick in thier pants I know someone that got AIDS from blood transfusion during surgery. Kindly explain how he could have avoided it by using your methods. How about women that are raped or cheating spouses. I'm sure the methods that are mentioned would work great in these instances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #64 September 16, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Dang ... sad ... another virus, polio, re-emerged from Northern Nigeria in 2003 spreading to more than a dozen countries and halfway around the world because strongly "religious" folks were opposed to the vaccine on "moral grounds." One of false reasons was that it was perceived to spread AIDS. And lets not forget the tireless efforts of the Vatican to prevent condom use in the worst AIDS hit countries in the world. Ah, let us not forget that the disease can be avoided by one keeping thier knees together or thier dick in thier pants I know someone that got AIDS from blood transfusion during surgery. Kindly explain how he could have avoided it by using your methods. I do too and the point is still valid"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,649 #65 September 16, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Dang ... sad ... another virus, polio, re-emerged from Northern Nigeria in 2003 spreading to more than a dozen countries and halfway around the world because strongly "religious" folks were opposed to the vaccine on "moral grounds." One of false reasons was that it was perceived to spread AIDS. And lets not forget the tireless efforts of the Vatican to prevent condom use in the worst AIDS hit countries in the world. Ah, let us not forget that the disease can be avoided by one keeping thier knees together or thier dick in thier pants I know someone that got AIDS from blood transfusion during surgery. Kindly explain how he could have avoided it by using your methods. I do too and the point is still valid Au contraire, it is a counterexample and it completely invalidates your point.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #66 September 16, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Dang ... sad ... another virus, polio, re-emerged from Northern Nigeria in 2003 spreading to more than a dozen countries and halfway around the world because strongly "religious" folks were opposed to the vaccine on "moral grounds." One of false reasons was that it was perceived to spread AIDS. And lets not forget the tireless efforts of the Vatican to prevent condom use in the worst AIDS hit countries in the world. Ah, let us not forget that the disease can be avoided by one keeping thier knees together or thier dick in thier pants I know someone that got AIDS from blood transfusion during surgery. Kindly explain how he could have avoided it by using your methods. I do too and the point is still valid Au contraire, it is a counterexample and it completely invalidates your point. You know the point. I can not help it that you CHOOSE to ingnore it cause it suits you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #67 September 16, 2007 QuoteWhat's painful is knowing how many people there are that think just like you. I know we all cant be as fucking smart as you think you are."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,149 #68 September 16, 2007 Needle exchange programs would help a lot, too. Look at the AIDS rate in Australia vs. the US. You should know that you can't engineer a process around perfect people; you have to take people as they are, not as you would like them to be. That's why you have to mistake-proof processes, and why simply saying "education" isn't a satisfactory solution to most L6S projects. Wendy W,There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #69 September 16, 2007 QuoteNeedle exchange programs would help a lot, too. Look at the AIDS rate in Australia vs. the US. You should know that you can't engineer a process around perfect people; you have to take people as they are, not as you would like them to be. That's why you have to mistake-proof processes, and why simply saying "education" isn't a satisfactory solution to most L6S projects. Wendy W, I completly understand your point but, the flaw in it is one that takes away responcibilty for ones actions. Even the inocent one that gets aids from a transfusion (which by the way happens rarley anymore) gets aids because of the actions of another. My point to kallend was not as heartless as he would like it to be viewed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #70 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote And lets not forget the tireless efforts of the Vatican to prevent condom use in the worst AIDS hit countries in the world. Ah, let us not forget that the disease can be avoided by one keeping thier knees together or thier dick in thier pants I know someone that got AIDS from blood transfusion during surgery. Kindly explain how he could have avoided it by using your methods. Are you saying that condom use would have prevented their getting infected? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,649 #71 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote And lets not forget the tireless efforts of the Vatican to prevent condom use in the worst AIDS hit countries in the world. Ah, let us not forget that the disease can be avoided by one keeping thier knees together or thier dick in thier pants I know someone that got AIDS from blood transfusion during surgery. Kindly explain how he could have avoided it by using your methods. Are you saying that condom use would have prevented their getting infected? I take it you are actually addressing Rush.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #72 September 17, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And lets not forget the tireless efforts of the Vatican to prevent condom use in the worst AIDS hit countries in the world. Ah, let us not forget that the disease can be avoided by one keeping thier knees together or thier dick in thier pants I know someone that got AIDS from blood transfusion during surgery. Kindly explain how he could have avoided it by using your methods. Are you saying that condom use would have prevented their getting infected? I take it you are actually addressing Rush. Nah, I was just wondering what AIDS via blood transfusions has to do with it being sexually transmitted. I'm guessing - Nothing at all!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #73 September 17, 2007 >>1. We were not founded as a Christian nation. End of story. >Yes we was, sorry No we wasn't. For reference I would recommend "The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America" by Frank Lambert. It is an excellent overview of what the founding fathers intended to put in the constitution when it comes to religious freedom. Keep in mind that many americans initially came to america to ESCAPE christian rule; it's quite clear that they desired a 'free market' of religion, where people could choose any religion they chose. Since just about everyone in the US was christian at the time, they spoke in that 'language' when it came to writing documents, which is why the term God is seen in a lot of places. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #74 September 17, 2007 Quote>>1. We were not founded as a Christian nation. End of story. >Yes we was, sorry No we wasn't. For reference I would recommend "The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America" by Frank Lambert. It is an excellent overview of what the founding fathers intended to put in the constitution when it comes to religious freedom. Excellent.... and popular, too. QuoteAmazon.com Sales Rank: #527,310 in Books Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #75 September 17, 2007 Quote Nah, I was just wondering what AIDS via blood transfusions has to do with it being sexually transmitted. I'm guessing - Nothing at all!!! Try reading a couple of posts up above where you inserted the straw man and you'll see Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
