JohnRich 4 #1 September 10, 2007 News:Plans to ban plasma TV's THE Conservatives will propose banning plasma screens and other energy-guzzling electrical goods in a report to be unveiled next week. The proposals target white goods like fridges and freezers, as well as TVs, personal computers and DVD players that use too much energy or operate on stand-by. The ideas come from a Conservative group to develop policies to protect the environment...Source: The Sun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #2 September 10, 2007 In concept, mandating a certain amount of efficiency isn't a bad idea.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 September 10, 2007 QuoteIn concept, mandating a certain amount of efficiency isn't a bad idea. This doesn't make sense. A government will not ban a popular product, lest the government lose revenue. Instead, a responsible government will try to make a buck by taxing it. Why not add a couple hundred euros to the price of it? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #4 September 10, 2007 What if you're powering that energy-guzzling plasma TV with solar panels or a wind turbine? Maybe a ban on Christmas lights would be a better way to both save energy and comply with Osama bin Laden's request for everyone to convert to Islam? (c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #5 September 10, 2007 The market, as currently structured, is incapable of making a rational decision. The market **could** decide **if** the costs of goods and services reflected the costs of sustainability and repairing environmental damage. Which, at present, they don't. We are currently passing along the costs of cleaning up our messes to our decendants.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #6 September 10, 2007 Don't ever quote The Sun again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #7 September 10, 2007 Quote News: Plans to ban plasma TV's THE Conservatives will propose banning plasma screens and other energy-guzzling electrical goods in a report to be unveiled next week. The proposals target white goods like fridges and freezers, as well as TVs, personal computers and DVD players that use too much energy or operate on stand-by. The ideas come from a Conservative group to develop policies to protect the environment... Source: The Sun Meh, who gives a shit!I knew we declared independence for some good reasons.... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #8 September 10, 2007 QuoteDon't ever quote The Sun again Why not?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #9 September 10, 2007 Its all shit. Every time somebody makes an obscure and obviously ridiculous proposal (which is a natural part of discussion) John likes to throw it out there as hard fact of our crazy society and how we are letting the government walk all over us etc etc etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #10 September 10, 2007 You might as well quote The Beano or The Dandy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #11 September 10, 2007 QuoteThe market **could** decide **if** the costs of goods and services reflected the costs of sustainability and repairing environmental damage. The market has decided that the costs of environmental damage are not as important. The decision is rational. It reflects the wants and desires of the purchasers. The fact that you disagree with the market as a whole measn that you are an outlier, for whom a more limited range of products exists. The market has created space for you, too. When environmentalism becomes the key factor for the consumer, then the market will bear that out. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #12 September 10, 2007 Quote Don't ever quote The Sun again No! Its good! I like it when JR quotes from it! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #13 September 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe market **could** decide **if** the costs of goods and services reflected the costs of sustainability and repairing environmental damage. The market has decided that the costs of environmental damage are not as important. The decision is rational. It reflects the wants and desires of the purchasers. The fact that you disagree with the market as a whole measn that you are an outlier, for whom a more limited range of products exists. The market has created space for you, too. When environmentalism becomes the key factor for the consumer, then the market will bear that out. The market cannot make rational decisions in the absence of proper information. And environmental cost information is currently missing from the decision making process. Hence the market as currently structured is distorting our decision making ability. Just because consumers haven't been made aware of these costs doesn't mean they don't exist. In the end someone will have to pay.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #14 September 10, 2007 If for some reason they pass this law, will those that already own plasma TVs get grandfathered in? Would kinda suck to spend all that money for one and find out it's banned. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #15 September 10, 2007 This is disgraceful! How come the US can get away with such a thing?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #16 September 10, 2007 It's not a proposed law mate. Someone probably stood up on BBC parliament and said something about high energy consumption and a 'journalist' from The Sun picked up on it because there wasn't any stories of 'aliens had sex with my wife' or 'child raised by monkey' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #17 September 10, 2007 QuoteIt's not a proposed law mate. Someone probably stood up on BBC parliament and said something about high energy consumption and a 'journalist' from The Sun picked up on it because there wasn't any stories of 'aliens had sex with my wife' or 'child raised by monkey' Ah, so The Sun is a tabloid then, with all kinds of bullshit stories in it?"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #18 September 10, 2007 QuoteIn concept, mandating a certain amount of efficiency isn't a bad idea. Certainly, as long as they don't set a standard so high that no one can make the product any more. And if they want energy efficiency to be a prime consideration in consumer choice, then it's a matter for public education and business marketing. It can become an attractive selling point to the public. That's the way to go, rather than government mandates, in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #19 September 10, 2007 Quote Ah, so The Sun is a tabloid then, with all kinds of bullshit stories in it? Yup http://www.thesun.co.uk/section/0,,4,00.html Although I must confess to reading the Dear Deidre section when I'm waiting at the kebab shop. I like reading all the sordid exploits Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #20 September 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteDon't ever quote The Sun again Why not? Not sure if you've ever seen the SUN, but it's not what one would call the most credible of sources. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #21 September 10, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Don't ever quote The Sun again Why not? Not sure if you've ever seen the SUN, but it's not what one would call the most credible of sources. You mean the boobs on Page 3 are FAKED? Oh the humanity... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #22 September 10, 2007 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #23 September 10, 2007 Afraid so But the girls there often go onto progress their careers in otherr fine publications like Max Power Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #24 September 10, 2007 QuoteDon't ever quote The Sun again Other sources of the same story, for your reading pleasure: Times Online Independent Farmer's Guardian Tech UK Some of those other sources reveal even more goofy ideas that The Sun didn't mention. Are those publications all unreliable too? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #25 September 10, 2007 Quote Don't ever quote The Sun again ...unless it's Page 3 "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
