dweeb 0 #1 May 30, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070528/ts_alt_afp/ussocietyjusticepoliticsexecution Proposals to execute pedophiles make headway in US WASHINGTON (AFP) - The idea of executing child rapists, even when there in no loss of life, is making headway in the United States. The Louisiana Supreme Court last week upheld the death sentence for a pedophile, and the governor of Texas is soon to sign into law legislation to that effect. In 1995, Louisiana was the first state to adopt legislation authorizing the death penalty for child rapists. Ten years later, the movement to make pedophilia punishable by death really picked up steam after nine-year-old Jessica Lunsford was raped and buried alive in Florida by a man with a prior conviction for sex crimes. Various versions of the "Jessica Law" sprang up all over in the country, imposing in most cases a minimum 25 year jail sentence and the wearing of an ankle bracelet for life for raping a child aged 12 or younger. But in some states, elected officials amended their versions of the "Jessica Law" by adding the possibility of condemning a pedophile to death. They include Louisiana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Georgia and Montana. An overwhelming majority of lawmakers in Texas chose to join the list. Texas is responsible for a third of all executions carried out in the United States in the past 30 years and for two-thirds of those conducted so far this year. The draft law is now on the desk of Texas Governor Rick Perry, who has promised to sign it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 May 30, 2007 Good thing Gerry Studds is already dead, huh? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,405 #3 May 30, 2007 > Good thing Gerry Studds is already dead, huh? Crane and Foley aren't! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #4 May 30, 2007 Quote> Good thing Gerry Studds is already dead, huh? Crane and Foley aren't! Are/were any of these men pedophiles? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,405 #5 May 30, 2007 >Are/were any of these men pedophiles? Legally, no. Of course, neither was Studds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 May 30, 2007 QuoteQuote> Good thing Gerry Studds is already dead, huh? Crane and Foley aren't! Are/were any of these men pedophiles? Of course they are... emails are the same as the act if you're a Republican... if you're a Democrat...not so much.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 May 30, 2007 Quote>Are/were any of these men pedophiles? Legally, no. Of course, neither was Studds. What, he "never had sex with that 17 year old"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 May 30, 2007 A law like this is a wonderful incentive for child molestors to kill the kids when they are done raping them. Well, what worse will they do to the guy? The penalty is the same regardless of whether the child is killed. I've been asked a few times why the penalty for attempted murder is less than that for murder. The explanation is pretty common sensical - it creates something that would prevent a person from finishing a person off. So, let's go ahead and make child molestation a death penalty offense? Gee, now there's nothing more that they can do if the rapist kills. Stuff like this is a Constitutional travesty because it seems to be cruel and unusual punishment. Stuff like this is also a pragmatic nightmare because, as stated, you take away any legal disincentive to kill somebody. In this case, brutal though it was, the defendant came up with a cover story and called 911 - which probably saved her life. Anybody here think that had he known he'd be sentenced to death for it if he got caught that he would have killed her to try to cover it up? A bad, bad move. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,405 #9 May 30, 2007 >What, he "never had sex with that 17 year old"? The legal age of consent was 16 at the time of the incident. Both Studds and Crane had sex with 17 year olds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #10 May 30, 2007 Quote>Are/were any of these men pedophiles? Legally, no. Of course, neither was Studds. How redundant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 May 30, 2007 QuoteOf course they are... emails are the same as the act if you're a Republican... if you're a Democrat...not so much. Well unless you are a Republican Functionary.. then you use the RNC Computers when by LAW you are supposed to be using the White House computers that have stringent archiving of email.....then you can just delete all the stuff that pertains to your wrongdoing.. ethically and otherwise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #13 May 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteA law like this is a wonderful incentive for child molestors to kill the kids when they are done raping them. Well, what worse will they do to the guy? The penalty is the same regardless of whether the child is killed. I've been asked a few times why the penalty for attempted murder is less than that for murder. The explanation is pretty common sensical - it creates something that would prevent a person from finishing a person off. So, let's go ahead and make child molestation a death penalty offense? Gee, now there's nothing more that they can do if the rapist kills. Stuff like this is a Constitutional travesty because it seems to be cruel and unusual punishment. Stuff like this is also a pragmatic nightmare because, as stated, you take away any legal disincentive to kill somebody. In this case, brutal though it was, the defendant came up with a cover story and called 911 - which probably saved her life. Anybody here think that had he known he'd be sentenced to death for it if he got caught that he would have killed her to try to cover it up? A bad, bad move. I agree with everything you said except for the bit about cruel and unusual punishment. I have misgivings about this law for the very reason that you have pointed out, which is that it may give incentive to finish them off. I am not however going to worry about how harsh it may be, Guys like that do not deserve any mercy from the courts. I will only concede giving it because the alternative may provide them with the incentive to kill a kid. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #14 May 30, 2007 OK this may seem like a really dumb question so please spell this out for me. I am mising how this relates to getting rid of the republican party. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,405 #15 May 30, 2007 >I am mising how this relates to getting rid of the republican party. Dweeb is equating pedophiles to republicans, probably because of the Foley scandal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dweeb 0 #16 May 30, 2007 Quote>I am mising how this relates to getting rid of the republican party. Dweeb is equating pedophiles to republicans, probably because of the Foley scandal. That and much, much, much more. Quote * Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16. * Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls. * Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy. * Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13. * Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls. * Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year period. * Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later. * Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy. * Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet. * Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl. * Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable. * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. * Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy. * Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business. * Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl. * Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls. * Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester. * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls. * Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet. * Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls. * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. * Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. * Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor. * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida. * Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered. * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child. * Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile. * Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. * Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial. * Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s. * Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s. * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail. * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos. * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. * Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge. * Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page. * Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter. * Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer. * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. * Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. * Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD. * Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. * Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl. * Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. * Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl. * Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. * Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl. * Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child. * Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl. * Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters. * Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. * Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. * Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. * Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. * Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession. * Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. * Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison. * Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter. * Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls. * Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. * Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer. * Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women. * Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,405 #17 May 30, 2007 And you could probably come up with a similar list for democrats, as I am sure someone now will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dweeb 0 #18 May 30, 2007 QuoteAnd you could probably come up with a similar list for democrats, as I am sure someone now will. I would certainly welcome any Republican to do the research and compile a list similar to this. There will be some. However, the number of Democrats who prey on children are far, far fewer than the number of Republicans that do so. What is it about Republicanism that creates this mindset that it's OK to violate children? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #19 May 30, 2007 I prefer Jimmy John's subs to those of Subway and Quizno's...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dweeb 0 #20 May 30, 2007 QuoteI prefer Jimmy John's subs to those of Subway and Quizno's... Uh, other than the one on your head, what's your point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #21 May 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteI prefer Jimmy John's subs to those of Subway and Quizno's... Uh, other than the one on your head, what's your point? Would you like to touch my monkey? It lives at the zoo.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dweeb 0 #22 May 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI prefer Jimmy John's subs to those of Subway and Quizno's... Uh, other than the one on your head, what's your point? Would you like to touch my monkey? It lives at the zoo. I would most certainly like to touch your monkey? Can I get it to fling poo at you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #23 May 30, 2007 Quotethe number of Democrats who prey on children are far, far fewer than the number of Republicans that do so. I call BULLSHIT! Got anything other than a list of mostly local level politicians to back up your claim? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dweeb 0 #24 May 30, 2007 QuoteQuotethe number of Democrats who prey on children are far, far fewer than the number of Republicans that do so. I call BULLSHIT! Got anything other than a list of mostly local level politicians to back up your claim? I don't have to prove what you're trying to claim. You're more than welcome to do the research and come up with a list of your very own. Don't like what your Party represents? Then do something to change it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joedirt 0 #25 May 30, 2007 Damn man, that is some list... do you work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
