Could people really be this gullible?

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http://www.creationmuseum.org/
Dinosaurs with humans, Noah shown building an ark while elephants look on, snakes literally speaking to Eve...
The bible is a great collection of metaphors, but to accept it as literal to the point of spending 27M to demonstrate such a lack of intelligence baffles me. Only Hollywood budgets more in the presentation of fantasy! Visitors to the museum will be dumber for the experience, IMO.

[narcimund 0]

Wow! I want to go.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[rhys 0]

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The bible is a great collection of metaphors, but to accept it as literal to the point of spending 27M to demonstrate such a lack of intelligence baffles me. Only Hollywood budgets more in the presentation of fantasy! Visitors to the museum will be dumber for the experience, IMO.

Well said,

I always wondered where dinosaurs come into the bible? are they even mentioned? I can't be bothered to filter through the bits and pieces let alone trying to interpret it all to find out.

No Christian has ever been able to answer me when i ask them either.

let alone any mention of any other planets or solar systems.

Everything was built for mankind according to them!

I would love to visit that place you mentioned one time , i'm sure it would be good for a laugh

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[jakee 1,257]

Yes.

We have several of them here.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[ryoder 1,397]

Want to get a Bible-thumper really frustrated? Ask them two questions:

1. Is incest ever acceptable?

(After they answer, follow up with...)

2. Then who did Adam & Eves children marry?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[narcimund 0]

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Want to get a Bible-thumper really frustrated? Ask them two questions:

1. Is incest ever acceptable?

(After they answer, follow up with...)

2. Then who did Adam & Eves children marry?

Whenever I've tried little puzzles like this one on christians, they always mysteriously lose interest and weasel out of the conversation. If you ask an online christian like pajarito or chuteless, they just stop contributing to the thread at this point.

If I ask them, "Are you just walking away because it's a hard question?" they answer something like, "No no no. It's an easy question but I'm obviously never going to convince you so we may as well just stop here."

Oddly, that "easy question" is always where they stop. Make you think, doesn't it?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[Amazon 7]

Simple.. did you see how much they wanted to get into that place...$19.95.....and the donations page is there too...

Here sheepie sheepie sheepie...

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I always wondered where dinosaurs come into the bible? are they even mentioned? I can't be bothered to filter through the bits and pieces let alone trying to interpret it all to find out.

No Christian has ever been able to answer me when i ask them either.

christian here.

no, the Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs. The writers of the book of Genesis did not know about dinosaurs.

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no, the Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs. The writers of the book of Genesis did not know about dinosaurs.

I figured that much!

What about the rest of the universe? any mention of that apart from the odd reference to the stars in the sky?

I'd pay $20 to go see a whole bunch of Christians soaking up the bullshit.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[billvon 2,426]

>no, the Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs. The writers of the book of
>Genesis did not know about dinosaurs.

Au contraire! Per the Clarifying Christianity website:


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Actually, dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible, and we will prove it by doing the following three things:

Examining the Bible’s text and the related scientific facts.
Explaining the accuracy of the Bible.
Exploring what we are taught in school and through the media.


The Bible’s Text
The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth (yes, it’s spelled correctly—at least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan.

. . .


tanniyn (dragon) = dinosaur
behemoth = brachiosaurus
Leviathan = kronosaurus

. . .

What We Are Taught (In School and Through the Media)
Since humans are in the Bible, we unconsciously think that dinosaurs were extinct—and therefore not mentioned in the Bible. As you have just seen, the Bible not only refers to dinosaurs, but has detailed information about two of them.

Unfortunately, our public school system and the media have convinced us that dinosaurs were extinct at least 60 million years before man appeared on earth. They have done such a good job in this area that we can not imagine people and dinosaurs living at the same time. The fact is that dinosaurs were created no more than one day before mankind, not many millions of years earlier—and we have evidence to support that statement.

There is a lot of quality scientific information available regarding dinosaurs in the Bible. In time, we will put together a list of links (or recommend a good list of links we find on the web).

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml

[jakee 1,257]

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If you ask an online christian like pajarito or chuteless, they just stop contributing to the thread at this point.

Actually if you ask Pajarito that question he'll say that they married "distant sisters". If you ask him what that is and how they could possibly be different from normal sisters, then he'll disappear from the conversation.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[narcimund 0]

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Au contraire! Per the Clarifying Christianity website:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml

In a nutshell, their justification for translating "behemoth" as brachiosaurus is that the book of Job says, "“He is the first of the ways of God,” which they interpret as, "the biggest animal". And since brachiosaurus is the biggest animal yet discovered, this MUST be what the bible is referring to. Therefore the bible's authors knew about dinosaurs!

By this logic if paleontologists tomorrow unearth a skeleton twice as big that predated dinosaurs, these addled christians would suddenly retranslate "behemoth" and call it proof that their storybook was on top of the new discovery.

Honestly, with circular crap like this for justification I'm frustrated to understand how anyone with a normally analytical brain can take this stuff seriously.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth (yes, it’s spelled correctly—at least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan.
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tanniyn (dragon) = dinosaur
behemoth = brachiosaurus
Leviathan = kronosaurus

maybe I stand corrected? (on the question of whether dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible that is)

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The fact is that dinosaurs were created no more than one day before mankind, not many millions of years earlier—and we have evidence to support that statement.

you lost me there

What you learn depends where you went to school!

At my school i was taught.......

Tuataras (a reptile native to New Zealand) along with many other species are still kicking today and were kicking around in the Jurassic period! Most of the dinosaurs are extinct but many still remain. Most of them (especially the large ones) were killed in the fallout of an impact of a projectile from space. There is a particular layer in the sedimentary layers of the earths crust around the complete circumference of the planet to prove it!!!!
Fiordland national park has the same, for the most part, vegetation if not similar to the Jurassic period. The national park also has 'World Heritage' Park status for this simple fact.

The south of the south island has remained out of the ocean since the Jurassic period and there are reefs of petrified forests along the ocean shore to prove it. There also happens to be shit loads of oil there to for the same reasons!

a day before mankind

some people are gullible aren't they!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[narcimund 0]

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maybe I stand corrected? (on the question of whether dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible that is)

Only if you accept their (I hesitate to call it this) logic.

Let's review why leviathan translates to kronosaurus. We know this because (according to the link Bill provided):

* Leviathan is said to have breathed fire
* Some dinosaur skeletons show sinuses whose purpose isn't clear
* Sinuses COULD contain flammable gasses
* Therefore Leviathan was a dinosaur

and

* Leviathan is said to have been a sea creature
* Kronosaurus was a sea creature and a dinosaur
* Therefore Leviathan was kronosaurus

And therefore the bible authors knew about dinosaurs.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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OK, what I wanna know is, how did Noah keep the Kronosaurus from eating horses, cattle, or sheep. during the time of the great flood, did God infuse veganism on all the carnivores?
Maybe Noah figured out how to point Kronosaurus to the rear of the ark, breathe fire, and create the world's first jet-powered ship?
Or, since Kronosaurus could also swim, could he have been in the water acting as propulsion?
(Sorry, I didn't read the link to understanding Christianity, had a couple of them at the DZ today talking about their religion as they were prepping for their tandems. Their ignorance was palpable, leaving me with the impression that I could study their beliefs for all of my days and still walk away amazed at the gullibility of some.

[ryoder 1,397]

On this topic I saw this today: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/01/AR2007030102073.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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On this topic I saw this today: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/01/AR2007030102073.html

Just ordered the book from Amazon. Seems like a good read. Thanks for the heads up! He's right; Americans know less about the religions they espouse than any other culture. Religion is as much a marketing fad as anything else. Other than one or two people (SteveOrino being one), I've yet to be impressed with the religious knowledge of religious sorts. We regularly get hit up by local Mormons, and it's fun to ask them about their religion. Odd that in general, I know more about their history than they do.
That said, this museum attempts to make their re-written version of the earth's history to appear/become mainstream. If people are this easily fooled, the future holds for very frightening times. Religiousity from mass marketing...

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Why is it that I detect on this thread a sense of contempt/hostility toward christians? I personally don't care because I am one of those who are not sure about religion (I think we are called agnostics but I am not sure). If you don't beleive, then don't beleive. Why force non-beleif down the throats of beleivers, or try to frustrate them in thier beleifs (unless they are knocking on your door trying to shove their beleifs down your throat)?

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[billvon 2,426]

> Why is it that I detect on this thread a sense of contempt/hostility toward christians?

Because sometimes there is! You'll see anger and disgust directed at the westboro baptist sort of christians, incredulity at some of the literal creationists (the ones who believe dinosaurs once romped with humans) sadness at the christians who believe in religious violence as a policy and annoyance at the more evangelical types that show up on people's doorsteps to try to "save" them.

It's important to realize, though, that this is not contempt towards _all_ christians. Just as the suicide bombers do not represent all of islam, the westboro baptists do not represent all christians.

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Do they have a Flintstone exhibit ? Fred used to operate a dinosaur crane at the rock pit, I should think that would prove people co-existing with dinosaurs beyond reasonable doubt.

You guys are just too cynical !

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

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http://www.creationmuseum.org/
Dinosaurs with humans, Noah shown building an ark while elephants look on, snakes literally speaking to Eve...
The bible is a great collection of metaphors, but to accept it as literal to the point of spending 27M to demonstrate such a lack of intelligence baffles me. Only Hollywood budgets more in the presentation of fantasy! Visitors to the museum will be dumber for the experience, IMO.

It is a well known fact that dinosaurs once roamed with the Israelites and the Jews. In fact, Jesus was raised on a Bronto-ranch. After learning the ropes of running the ranch, Jesus attended college and earned a degree in business. During his college years he worked as a waiter at an upscale bronto-steak house where he first envisioned serving brontoburgers and loaves of bread (he also envisioned serving fish sandwiches) to the masses. After college he returned to the ranch and began putting together his business plan to open the first of many to come McJesus's Brontoburgers. Within the first few years he was able to claim "Thousands Served". Well, the powers in Rome took noticed and King Burger who owned and operated Bronto King felt the pinch of real competition and an all out brontoburger war ensued. Commercialism at its worst! Jesus gave away holyroller collector cards, collector cups with communion wine and holyroller warrior action figures in the children gullible meals. King Buger was not to be out done and marketed his brontoburgers with fashionable crowns of thorns and 3D crucifixion collector cards. The war lasted untill the last of the dinosaures were eaten. As quoted from the Dead Seas Dispatch, a popular news scroll, "It was CRAZY!!! They were shoving these burgers down our throats! Our children were becoming fat, lazy and gullible! At the colliseum it was all Bronto King while at the Mound it was all McJesus. No one had the will to go out and smite for God. We were sure glad to see the eventual collapse of these brontoburger-empires when the last dino was slewed and served so as to get back to the rightous work of smiting non-believers."

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[jakee 1,257]

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Why is it that I detect on this thread a sense of contempt/hostility toward christians?

Not Christians - hustlers and stupid people. Young earth creationists are a world away from the normal christians that I know.

What you've got to bear in mind is that the people who spew this nonsense get quite rich by preying on those too dumb and trusting to know any better. Do you think the $27M it took to build that monstrosity came from Ken Ham's inheritance?

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Why force non-beleif down the throats of beleivers, or try to frustrate them in thier beleifs (unless they are knocking on your door trying to shove their beleifs down your throat)?

Second to making money, the main aim of the Creation Museum's parent organisation is to get creationism taught in schools. They are trying to force their insane beliefs down the throats of the next generation, and I reserve the right to think of them as contemptible.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Because sometimes there is! You'll see anger and disgust directed at the westboro baptist sort of christians, incredulity at some of the literal creationists (the ones who believe dinosaurs once romped with humans) sadness at the christians who believe in religious violence as a policy and annoyance at the more evangelical types that show up on people's doorsteps to try to "save" them.

It's important to realize, though, that this is not contempt towards _all_ christians. Just as the suicide bombers do not represent all of islam, the westboro baptists do not represent all christians.

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Not Christians - hustlers and stupid people. Young earth creationists are a world away from the normal christians that I know.

What you've got to bear in mind is that the people who spew this nonsense get quite rich by preying on those too dumb and trusting to know any better. Do you think the $27M it took to build that monstrosity came from Ken Ham's inheritance?

Second to making money, the main aim of the Creation Museum's parent organisation is to get creationism taught in schools. They are trying to force their insane beliefs down the throats of the next generation, and I reserve the right to think of them as contemptible.

[jakee 1,257]

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I read more into the thread than was actually being said. My error.

It's probably more my fault.

I'll often argue against moderate christians or other religious type people as well, and it's very easy for online posts to come across as significantly less good humoured than they were intended.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?