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QuoteI am not sure why the desire to have the means to protect oneself is always seen as being synonymous with not using ones head to avoid trouble, and a desire to act out some sort of Charles Bronson vigilante fantasy. It seems tantamount to saying someone who wears a seatbelt doesn't plan to drive defensively.
That was a very good poit and I agree with you wholeheartidly. My somewhat pro gun stance was not say we should be dirity hary gun ho types; no...I was just saing its an option that should be made availible if all else fails. Unfortunetely, no matter where you go nowadays you never can be to safe. Case and point: I live in a good part of Chicago, nonetheless, a little over a year ago I was nearly carjacked while parked in front of my house. Furthermore, cameras on the street are EVERYWHEREl, and although that can be a good thing because the presence of survalance devices can deturr not only crime, but any potential crime, it can also mean that the area is no longer considered safe.
I'd be interested to learn how high, or low is the cime rate in Texas, Arizona and any other place where its legal to carry a weapon with you. On the one hand, you run the risk of increased violence, and on the other any criminal is conscious of that fact that his potential victim may be armed thus not commiting the intended act. Any thoughts?
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firstsecond amendment of the constituation says "right tobarebear arms" End of story. It doesn'r say right to bare shotguns, AK's, pump actions, and whatever else your heart desires.
By that logic, the first amendment (I corrected your whups up there) only applies to quill pens and hand presses...
What I meant was, if you could have all of the above you should also have the right to own a handgun.
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firstsecond amendment of the constituation says "right tobarebear arms" End of story. It doesn'r say right to bare shotguns, AK's, pump actions, and whatever else your heart desires.
By that logic, the first amendment (I corrected your whups up there) only applies to quill pens and hand presses...
What I meant was, if you could have all of the above you should also have the right to own a handgun.
Agreed.
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But I thought Fuhrer Daley has made the homeland safe with his edicts...
Dumb shit like this is why I should be allowed to CCW in Chicago. They're criminals--they didn't care that carrying was illegal. The only thing missing here is a bystander...
Why, do you have a sudden yearning to walk down the 7200 block of S. Talman?
I'm sure someone does. Do you think we should avoid some sections of cities and just let the gangs control them?
The city is very effectively cleaning up the gang ridden neighborhoods. I don't think exAFO or any other vigilante will help matters very much - and most probably will make things much worse.
Vigilantes=bad. No disagreement there.
But citizens carrying a means to protect themselves are far different from vigilantes.
I'm still interested as to why "law abiding citizens" would wish to go there, unless they are not so law abiding as they claim and wish to trade in some illicit substances.
I see your point here sir kallend. But it is still an example of the convoluted way you debate.
There are high crime areas in most big cities in the USA, including those in CCW states like FL and TX.
Does it make more sense to (a) avoid those areas altogether, or (b) boldly walk through the area because you have a concealed gun and feel invincible?
I conceded your point. What more do you want?
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
By that logic, the first amendment (I corrected your whups up there) only applies to quill pens and hand presses...
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
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