Honesty of Global Warming movement???

[shropshire 0]

Kind of a side note : Not sure if it's a world wide observation ... but has anyone else noticed how many dead trees there are around?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[rushmc 18]

I await the destruction of the thoughts and sources

SCORES OF TOP SCIENTISTS
EXPOSE THE GLOBAL WARMING MYTH
© by G. Edward Griffin 2007 March 15

Channel 4, Great Britain's public service television station, has done an excellent job of deconstructing the myth that the majority of scientists agree that Global Warming is caused by human activity. In this video you will see scores of world-class scientists, many of whom are credentialed professors in their fields, state flatly that Global Warming is caused by solar activity and that cycles like the one we are now experiencing have occurred many times throughout history. They prove their case with hard data showing that, over long periods of time, as sun-spot activity went up, so did Earth temperatures; and, as sun-spot activity waned, temperatures dropped. They show also that temperatures on Earth actually went down in previous years when human industrialization was increasing at its greatest rate.

Many people were persuaded of the legitimacy of human-induced Global Warming by the movie entitled An Inconvenient Truth, produced by Al Gore. In this movie, he demonstrated the connection between global temperatures and CO2 levels in the atmosphere. The wall-sized chart he used was dramatic and convincing. Now, however, you will hear climate scientists explain that, yes, there is a connection between global temperatures and CO2 levels, but the connection is just the reverse of what Mr. Gore said.

Gore said that, because the two trends were aligned, it was CO2 that was causing warming; when, in fact, it is the other way around. A rise in temperature heats up the oceans and causes them to release huge amounts of CO2, far more than any other source on the planet. Historical records show that a rise in temperature always came before a rise in CO2 and, conversely, a drop in temperature always preceded a drop in CO2. Yes, the two trends are locked together, as Gore dramatically illustrated, but CO2 levels are the result of the process, not the cause of it. Did Mr. Gore know this? If he didn’t, he is incompetent. If he did, he is corrupt. Either way, his audiences were terribly misled.

I was greatly relieved to see this production arrive on the scene, because I thought that no one in the controlled media would risk presenting the politically incorrect side of this issue, and I dreaded the thought that, if the job were to be done, I would have to do it myself, but I had neither the time nor the resources to take it on. So now it is done – except for one very important aspect of the story, which is the reason for this introduction.

The producers did an excellent job of laying out the scientific facts but they stopped short of answering the question WHY. They show that there is an endless flow of tax dollars from governments to support Global Warming research; they show that many scientists follow the grant money knowing that, if they want funding, they must support the Global Warming Myth; but they do not explain WHY this bias was created in the first place.

If you understand the present reality of global collectivism in which all governments are expanding at warp speed toward total control over their citizens, this phenomenon will be understandable. You will recognize the well-developed ploy to frighten us with a long list of threats to our personal security in order to soften us up for accepting this expansion of government power as reasonable and even necessary for our protection. Governments everywhere have perfected the art of exaggerating and, in some cases, even encouraging the forces of crime, pornography, illicit drugs, terrorism, killer diseases, and – yes – environmental apocalypse. Why? Because all of this justifies an endless stream of new laws that increase the power of government while diminishing the freedom of their citizens. Supreme power is the ultimate rush for politicians and bureaucrats, and it is acquired under the excuse of protecting us from harm. If the threat seems real enough and great enough, we are expected to meekly, even gratefully, accept the chains of our own enslavement.

That is the part missing from this documentary. In defense of the producers, it must be said that, if they had included this message, there is no chance the program would have been accepted by the BBC, which is largely controlled by the British government. As it is, I can imagine that there are powers within the government that are not happy by the release of this program, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a retraction, an apology, or at least a follow up program to counter the impact of this one. In any event, the truth is out in a highly accessible format, and it will be difficult to bury.

That’s where we come into the picture. If you are as impressed by the science and credentials of the experts as I am, and especially if you understand the deeper political implications behind the Global Warming Myth, then you will want everyone you know to see this program. Fortunately, it is on the Internet – for now, at least – entirely free, so it is easy to forward the link to everyone on your email list. If you are computer savvy, you also will want to download a copy to your own computer just in case it is removed from the Internet.

Here is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU

When sending this video to your friends, I urge you to include this analysis, because it is important for them to know that the real force behind the Global Warming Myth is not scientific error but political cunning. The following link will bring them to this page so they can read the previous comments before viewing the video:

www.freedom-force.org/redir_great_global.cfm.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,257]

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I await the destruction of the thoughts and sources

The author is a moron.

I'm sorry but someone who has done so little research as to think that Channel 4 is a public service TV station controlled by the BBC does not deserve to be taken at all seriously. I hope journalism isn't his day job.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 18]

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I await the destruction of the thoughts and sources

The author is a moron.

I'm sorry but someone who has done so little research as to think that Channel 4 is a public service TV station controlled by the BBC does not deserve to be taken at all seriously. I hope journalism isn't his day job.

Oh dam, thanks for proving my point. I know you have not watched the video cause I am still watching it.

Thanks again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[shropshire 0]

I liked the program when I saw it a while ago... it seems to raise interesting points, but Bill agrued against some of them.... (I bumped my earlier thread so that you can review it again)...

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[rushmc 18]

I will take a look when I get a chance.

Thanks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[narcimund 0]

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Oh dam, thanks for proving my point. I know you have not watched the video cause I am still watching it.

Um... excuse me, but perhaps you're under the misperception that youtube runs on video tapes and everyone has to wait for the first person to finish before the next one can start their viewing?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[rushmc 18]

OK

try this one
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4340135300469846467

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,257]

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Oh dam, thanks for proving my point. I know you have not watched the video cause I am still watching it.

I didn't say anything about the video (and how do you know I haven't seen it? It was shown on national TV in the UK just a couple of weeks ago. Guess which country I live in?). I was talking about the author of the article you posted. It's glaringly obvious that he has done zero research.

As to the video, it has come under a fair bit of attack, particularly from scientists who claim their views were misrepresented and their interviews distorted.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 18]

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Oh dam, thanks for proving my point. I know you have not watched the video cause I am still watching it.

I didn't say anything about the video (and how do you know I haven't seen it? It was shown on national TV in the UK just a couple of weeks ago. Guess which country I live in?). I was talking about the author of the article you posted. It's glaringly obvious that he has done zero research.

As to the video, it has come under a fair bit of attack, particularly from scientists who claim their views were misrepresented and their interviews distorted.

Watch it and then get back to me.

Oh, and it is hard for some of them to say they saying global warming is a lie and then say they are mis represented.


IARC, NASA, MIT are just a few the the schools professors interviewed in the vidieo. The IARC is the one to pay attention to.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

Please post the comments of those saying they were mis represented. I would like to see that.

Also, I have commented that the UN climate change group is suspect. This documentary indicate that one of the largest studied they put out, in support of GW was edited to remove key info that puts the GWing theory at risk

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,257]

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Please post the comments of those saying they were mis represented. I would like to see that.

“I am angry because they completely misrepresented me. My views were distorted by the context in which they placed them. I was misled as to what it was going to be about. I was told about six months ago that this was to be a programme about how complicated it is to understand what is going on. If they had told me even the title of the programme, I would have absolutely refused to be on it. I am the one who has been swindled.”

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 18]

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Please post the comments of those saying they were mis represented. I would like to see that.

“I am angry because they completely misrepresented me. My views were distorted by the context in which they placed them. I was misled as to what it was going to be about. I was told about six months ago that this was to be a programme about how complicated it is to understand what is going on. If they had told me even the title of the programme, I would have absolutely refused to be on it. I am the one who has been swindled.”

Which profs and wheres the links?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[speedy 0]

As far as I can tell it was only one prof that claimed he was misrepresented. He was Carl Wunsch.

More about it here http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=7e23a550-9cc4-4697-b730-b2d094f1628a&p=1

Dave

Fallschirmsport Marl

[rushmc 18]

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As far as I can tell it was only one prof that claimed he was misrepresented. He was Carl Wunsch.

More about it here http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=7e23a550-9cc4-4697-b730-b2d094f1628a&p=1

That is what I found too. But not so much on what he said or presented but more on how the documentary tryed to show him as though he haded picked a side

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,257]

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As far as I can tell it was only one prof that claimed he was misrepresented. He was Carl Wunsch.

More about it here http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=7e23a550-9cc4-4697-b730-b2d094f1628a&p=1

Yep, it seems you are right. I was working from memory and after checking it out again it seems that Wunsch is the only guy to have openly complained about his treatment in this film.

I got it confused with Durkin's (the director) previous film, which so many contributors complained about that C4 had to issue a public apology and promise never to show it again.

My mistake.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[ChrisD 0]

I was speaking with some undergrads at MIT yesterday. The topic was "summer jobs." We all noticed a number of posters and flyers that were pasted and stapled to walls everywhere, litter'arly everywhere. Most universities have a policy that you need to register or at least be a student to post shit paper in the halls walls....

So without the "stamp" of approval you can tell when some "outside" agency or company has littered the walls with junk paper.

This mass posting of offers for "Summer Jobs for The Enviorment" was everywhere so the topic of disscussion was who and why were they doing this, and what can we do about it other than remove the offensive and against school policy postings?

So some of the students I spoke with decided to give the 1-800 number a call and see who and what was and is behind this.

Turns out that this work at home job consists of monitoring web sites: Blogs, forums, news stations, etc.. And then responding with: Moderate, middle of the road comments debunking global warming and other ecology minded responses. All for about 7 dollars an hour. Reminds me of religion and Judas?

Seems they install some sort of keystroke monitoring software and yo get paid for how much time yo spend cutting and pasteing "canned" responses to any "search" of topics that have the key words: Global Warming, etc.," in the phrase or similar.

Some job hu?

Seems also that the "supervisors" are trained to find individuals with a lot of time on there hands, need money, and are a bit of social outcasts....

Never mind the fact that they are also selected on thier personal views and knowledge level of issues pertaining to science. In other words lot's of buisness majors and liberal arts students are the ones that get these "desirable" jobs.

Go to any college or public place like "Harvard Square," and you will see these same ads stapled to telephone poles or posted on the walls outside popular hangouts!

Grass roots advertising, or companies with millions to spend any way they see fit? Please keep in mind that the average super bowel 20 seconds of time cost 2.5 million. That's $125,000.00 peer second!

So how much do big coal and the crotch brothers have to spend? How miuch is just one percent of their gross?

Can yo say that one percent of the conglomerated energy companies gross is over one trillion dollars?

You all need to start focusing on the cure to understand why the fat cats spend less than one percent to ensure their going to survive at the publics expense. Nothing new here, History is rife with explotation at the expense of the mindless and powerless... and gulliable....


All you have to do is count the number of posts on a subject to see who and what these Judas's are. Do a search for Global Warming, and respond only to those, move on to the next webb site...


How can some people post the amount they do, and in the same breath claim they have full time jobs?

Figure it out for yourself folks; paid advertising or public forum?

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[DanG 1]

Are you really complaining about spamming global warming discussions by spamming global warming discussions?

- Dan G

[ChrisD 0]

DanG

Are you really complaining about spamming global warming discussions by spamming global warming discussions?

Yes


Or perhaps better said:

Just trying to point something out...

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[DanG 1]

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Just trying to point something out...

Pointing it out 8 times is not more effective than pointing it out once.

And did this actually happen to you, or did you cut and paste it from somewhere else?

- Dan G

[ChrisD 0]

Yes this actually happened!

And yes pointing this out 8 times,
So how is this any different than those with an agenda and are being paid?

Glad you noticed!

All yo have to do is visit any university, this is a widespread issue. Made all the worse by the open and public nature of these instituions... On any popular place these flyiers are everywhere!

You point out and make the point that "once" might be more effective?

With literally hundreds of post's on this subject here...


Well what you are really saying is that I should just post once and STFU?

Is that what they are doing?

You ignore the fact that my message will be lost because it won't get the press those that are posting the same each and every chace they get?

Gee I do what they are doing and your point is just say what yo have to say once.

Shame on yo for suggesting I go quietly into the night why those that are earning a living can post on this subject ad infanitum?

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."

[DanG 1]

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So how is this any different than those with an agenda and are being paid?

It's different in that you aren't getting paid.

Otherwise it's just as obnoxious.

- Dan G

[ChrisD 0]

Of course it's obnoxious, and I agree completly!


But the more times you "hear" something the more it is belived!


Unfortunatly beliving in something has nothing to do with the truth of any subject. In other words the more you hear something,...the more that something is belived in.

This is the point and the goal of any advertising.

Otherwise "Supersize Me" would be a model for good health.

C

But what do I know, "I only have one tandem jump."