JohnRich 4 #1 March 7, 2007 News:Firearms will not be tolerated Football coach Randy Shannon has issued a straightforward warning to his University of Miami football players: Get caught carrying a firearm and your days as a Hurricane are over. After two shooting incidents involving UM players last year, Shannon plans to enforce a "zero-tolerance'' policy regarding weapons. "You get caught with a firearm, you're dismissed from the football team." Asked about his players' constitutional right to own firearms, Shannon said: "I'm thinking about the University of Miami and the kids. When you have a firearm, there's a 50-50 chance that you're going to get hurt. Let's not put ourselves in those situations." "Guns don't do nothing but get you in trouble," team member Meriweather said. "There really is no use for a gun in college. You've got to get rid of them. It's no time for them. If you're a team player, you won't have no problem getting rid of them."Source: Palm Beach Post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 41 #2 March 7, 2007 If they don't like the rules they can choose to find another team where their chances of shooting someone or being shot are higher. If thats what they're looking for. "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #3 March 7, 2007 There is no need to play football. I don't see much difference between this and setting a curfew for players, requiring some minimum GPA, etc. I think the athletic program is well within its rights. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #4 March 7, 2007 Private School. Their sandbox, their rules.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #5 March 7, 2007 QuoteAsked about his players' constitutional right to own firearms, Shannon said: "I'm thinking about the University of Miami and the kids. When you have a firearm, there's a 50-50 chance that you're going to get hurt. Let's not put ourselves in those situations." 50% - you get hurt 50% - someone else gets hurt? Well, The U was never reknowned for its academics anyway. The program has been so bad in the past 15 years that stern, severe overreactions are probably called for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 March 7, 2007 QuoteIf they don't like the rules they can choose to find another team where their chances of shooting someone or being shot are higher. You are making an error in logic by assuming that their chances of being shot will be reduced by forfeiting their own gun ownership. In the two cases cited of school football players being "involved" with guns, in both cases they were victims of random attacks, which had nothing to do with their own gun ownership. Gosh only knows where that coach got the idea that owning a gun makes you 50% likely to be shot. When it comes to gun control, logic is the first casualty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 March 7, 2007 QuoteThere is no need to play football. You shouldn't have to forfeit constitutional rights to play a sport. "Need" is irrelevant. QuoteI don't see much difference between this and setting a curfew for players, requiring some minimum GPA, etc. The difference is that those other things like you mention directly affect their education and sports performance. Guns have nothing to do with any of that. It would be like the coach telling them they're not allowed to drive motorcycles. And such things would be out of line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 March 7, 2007 QuoteIt would be like the coach telling them they're not allowed to drive motorcycles. No, it would be like the coach telling them they can't attend rallies, or speak up about current events in public. But, the "government" cannot infringe upon the player's right to speech or bear arms. I'm not sure about coaches. Either way, the coach is an idiot. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #9 March 7, 2007 I'll say it twice this time: Private School. Their sandbox, their rules. Private School. Their sandbox, their rules. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 March 7, 2007 QuoteThe program has been so bad in the past 15 years that stern, severe overreactions are probably called for. The place is being run by the former Clinton administration nut, Donna Shalala... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #11 March 7, 2007 QuoteI'll say it twice this time: Private School. Their sandbox, their rules. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it still doesn't make it proper. Private institutions should not forbid their members from exercising their constitutional rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #12 March 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'll say it twice this time: Private School. Their sandbox, their rules. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it still doesn't make it proper. Private institutions should not forbid their members from exercising their constitutional rights. Proper or not in your mind, it is legal. "Should not" does not mean "Can not."Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 March 7, 2007 QuoteI'll say it twice this time: Private School. Their sandbox, their rules. Private School. Their sandbox, their rules. Not really. They must abide by the NCAA guidelines. That includes mandatory grades, a limit on training hours per week, etc. I don't know if college scholarships restrict on behavior (like motorcycles) that might cost them a scholarship player - limit of 85 on the team. Many pro contracts do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #14 March 7, 2007 As far as I know, all schools ban guns on campus don't they? I don't care who you are, you don't bring one on campus unless you're a cop or security officer. However, if you live off campus and have a legally bought gun and a permit to carry it, then you should be able to carry it, but not on campus and not to any games, home or on the road."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #15 March 7, 2007 Quote Private institutions should not forbid their members from exercising their constitutional rights. Try walking around work shouting "Fuck George Bush AND Bill Clinton" It is your constitutional right to do so. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #16 March 7, 2007 QuoteProper or not in your mind, it is legal. "Should not" does not mean "Can not." I'm not arguing legality. I'm arguing morality. Just because someone can do something, doesn't mean that it's proper that they should, or that we should all do nothing and let them. That's an awfully low standard of acceptance to put on infringements of constitutional rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 41 #17 March 7, 2007 If they and those around them, their teammates, do not have guns I suggest they are less likely to be shot. You may not agree but thats my opinion. And so far those voting in your poll agree with me a bit more than they agree with you "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #18 March 7, 2007 QuoteTry walking around work shouting "Fuck George Bush AND Bill Clinton" It is your constitutional right to do so. Incorrect analogy. They're not carrying guns while playing football. What if work forbid you from exercising free speech even when you were off-duty and away from work? Would you agree with that policy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #19 March 7, 2007 >You are making an error in logic by assuming that their chances of >being shot will be reduced by forfeiting their own gun ownership. If you do not own a gun, you can not shoot yourself/be shot by your own gun by definition. In 2000, the CDC estimated there were 23,000 accidental gunshot wounds in the US; by not owning a gun, and not living in a place where guns are kept, you can greatly reduce the odds of being one of those people. >Gosh only knows where that coach got the idea that owning a gun >makes you 50% likely to be shot. In 2000, there were 52,000 violence-related and 23,000 accidental gun injuries in the US per the CDC. Put another way, accidental gun injuries (most of which happen to gun owners) are roughly 50% of the intentional gun injuries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #20 March 7, 2007 >What if work forbid you from exercising free speech even when >you were off-duty and away from work? Many jobs do. The Armed Services, for example, puts restrictions on what you can and cannot say even when you are not on duty. Many companies prohibit you from making official company announcements (even on your own time) unless they are approved by the company. A good solution if you don't like those restrictions is to not take the job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #21 March 7, 2007 QuoteWhat if work forbid you from exercising free speech even when you were off-duty and away from work? Would you agree with that policy? Mine kinda does. I don't think they'd like it if I were disparaging them to the press or picketing to legalize pot. I would be fired for carrying a gun in my vehicle while at work, whether on or off "the clock." Edit to remind you that I'm totally in favor of the second amendment and quite pro-gun. I'm just also in favor of allowing private institutions to set more stringent rules than the government if they wish. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #22 March 7, 2007 Asking someone to give up their rights in a state run federally funded school seems a bit intrusive Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #23 March 7, 2007 QuoteAsking someone to give up their rights in a state run federally funded school seems a bit intrusive It's PRIVATE. No-one is forced to go there. The govt. is not infringing on anything (for a change).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #24 March 7, 2007 QuoteQuoteIf they don't like the rules they can choose to find another team where their chances of shooting someone or being shot are higher. If thats what they're looking for. Is it illegal to carry a gun in Miami or do they have CCW? If it is legal i don't see how he can prohibit it. It is their personal business. Why tell people how to live? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #25 March 7, 2007 QuoteIf it is legal, i don't see how he can prohibit it. It is their personal business. Why tell people how to live? Because they want to and they can, as a private organization.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites