Andy9o8 0 #1 January 25, 2007 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/24/AR2007012401807_pf.html Quote Gore Film Sparks Parents' Anger Showing 'Inconvenient Truth' Would Require Counterpoint By Blaine Harden Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, January 25, 2007; A12 FEDERAL WAY, Wash., Jan. 24 -- Frosty E. Hardiman is neither impressed nor surprised that "An Inconvenient Truth," the global-warming movie narrated by former vice president Al Gore, received an Oscar nomination this week for best documentary. "Liberal left is all over Hollywood," he grumbled a few hours after the nomination was announced. Hardiman, a parent of seven here in the southern suburbs of Seattle, has himself roiled the global-warming waters. It happened early this month when he learned that one of his daughters would be watching "An Inconvenient Truth" in her seventh-grade science class. "No you will not teach or show that propagandist Al Gore video to my child, blaming our nation -- the greatest nation ever to exist on this planet -- for global warming," Hardiman wrote in an e-mail to the Federal Way School Board. The 43-year-old computer consultant is an evangelical Christian who says he believes that a warming planet is "one of the signs" of Jesus Christ's imminent return for Judgment Day. ..... His daughter's science teacher, meanwhile, said she is struggling to find authoritative articles to counter the information in the Gore documentary. "The only thing I have found so far is an article in Newsweek called 'The Cooling World,' " Walls said. It was written 37 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #2 January 25, 2007 The causes of pollution and their role in the environment should be taught in the classroom (w/out political or religious ideology)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #3 January 25, 2007 Too many morons think that they're scientists. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #4 January 25, 2007 QuoteHis daughter's science teacher, meanwhile, said she is struggling to find authoritative articles to counter the information in the Gore documentary. "The only thing I have found so far is an article in Newsweek called 'The Cooling World,' " Walls said. It was written 37 years ago. Obviously, she's not looking very hard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #5 January 25, 2007 QuoteToo many morons think that they're scientists. You don't need science if you have the Bible.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #6 January 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteToo many morons think that they're scientists. You don't need science if you have the Bible. And Clinton lied about getting a blowjob. Threads over. You can go home, now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 January 25, 2007 <> How do morons like this expect to be taken seriously? PS - I never expect to be taken seriously.... so there Built many pyramids with your bare hands recently? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #8 January 25, 2007 QuoteHow do morons like this expect to be taken seriously? Because his vote counts the same as my vote. "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,463 #9 January 25, 2007 >How do morons like this expect to be taken seriously? 1) By making a very loud noise. Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that. 2) By hopping on a popular bandwagon. "This is just another example of how christians are discriminated against!" is a popular one. 3) By getting an expert to craft some accurate-sounding pseudoscience, then claiming that not presenting it represents supression of free speech. I'm not great at this but let's give it a whirl: "Most christians think that God is everywhere in the heavens that surround us, perhaps even part of the heavens that shield us from harm. But if I bring up that God might be shielding us from danger, I can't say that in school! I can't even talk about all the things in the heavens that shield us from dangerous radiation - things that scientists have PROVEN exist - because they might be related to God! They want to supress the work of real scientists because it doesn't fit their secular liberal extremist agenda. Haven't they ever heard of the Van Allen belts?" 4) By spending lots of money to get your point across. 5) By timing your tirade for a slow news day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #10 January 25, 2007 More from the article. QuoteHis angry e-mail (along with complaints from a few other parents) stopped the film from being shown to Hardiman's daughter. The teacher in that science class, Kay Walls, says that after Hardiman's e-mail she was told by her principal that she would receive a disciplinary letter for not following school board rules that require her to seek written permission to present "controversial" materials in class. The e-mail also pressured the school board to impose a ban on screenings of the film for the district's 22,500 students. The ban, which the school board says was merely a "moratorium," was lifted Tuesday night, subject to rigorous conditions. Still, the action has appalled the film's producers and triggered a ferocious national backlash. Members of the school board say they have been bombarded by thousands of e-mails and phone calls, many of them hurtful and obscene, accusing them of scientific ignorance, pandering to religion and imposing prior restraint on free speech. It has been a terrible ordeal, school board member David Larson said during a long, emotional speech at the board meeting. "I am here to foster healing in our community," he said, while noting with sadness that "civility and honest discourse are dying in our country." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #11 January 25, 2007 Quote>How do morons like this expect to be taken seriously? 1) By making a very loud noise. Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that. 2) By hopping on a popular bandwagon. "This is just another example of how christians are discriminated against!" is a popular one. 3) By getting an expert to craft some accurate-sounding pseudoscience, then claiming that not presenting it represents supression of free speech. I'm not great at this but let's give it a whirl: "Most christians think that God is everywhere in the heavens that surround us, perhaps even part of the heavens that shield us from harm. But if I bring up that God might be shielding us from danger, I can't say that in school! I can't even talk about all the things in the heavens that shield us from dangerous radiation - things that scientists have PROVEN exist - because they might be related to God! They want to supress the work of real scientists because it doesn't fit their secular liberal extremist agenda. Haven't they ever heard of the Van Allen belts?" 4) By spending lots of money to get your point across. 5) By timing your tirade for a slow news day. Which of the above actually apply to this situation? Do any of them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,463 #12 January 25, 2007 >Which of the above actually apply to this situation? 1) Loud noise. Angry emails. 2) Popular bandwagon. "You're not going to Blame America." "Liberal left is all over Hollywood." 3) Adding pseudoscience to the mix. The whole "we need to balance the views" thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #13 January 25, 2007 QuoteHaven't they ever heard of the Van Allen belts?" I know what they are! They were the things that caught fire in "Voyage to the bottom of the sea" Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #14 January 25, 2007 QuoteHow do morons like this expect to be taken seriously? They make tearful admissions of bad childhood experiences, an addiction to something and enter rehab. Then they can be celebrated for their bravery in overcoming it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #15 January 25, 2007 Quote>Which of the above actually apply to this situation? 1) Loud noise. Angry emails. 2) Popular bandwagon. "You're not going to Blame America." "Liberal left is all over Hollywood." 3) Adding pseudoscience to the mix. The whole "we need to balance the views" thing. 1) You said "very loud noise". This man sent out a single e-mail. The thing is... free speech is a two way street. 2) Other popular "bandwagons" - racial discrimination, gender discrimination, etc. 3) By getting an expert to craft some accurate-sounding pseudoscience, then claiming that not presenting it represents supression of free speech. Where was the expert here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,271 #16 January 25, 2007 Quote1) You said "very loud noise". This man sent out a single e-mail. The thing is... free speech is a two way street. Oh please. Google the mans name and find out how much noise he can make. And it is an indisputable fact that he is a fundamentalist madman - those people should not have any influence over what happens in a public school.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #17 January 25, 2007 I guess some people want their children.. and everyone else to be just as ignorant as they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #18 January 25, 2007 QuoteI guess some people want their children.. and everyone else to be just as ignorant as they are. I guess you missed the part about the teacher failing to follow "school board rules that require her to seek written permission to present "controversial" materials in class." Or do you think there's no controversy around man-made global warming? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #19 January 25, 2007 QuoteOr do you think there's no controversy around man-made global warming? Some controversies are more respectable than others. If 1000 militant lettuce worshippers screamed brimstone about salad bars, I think we could discount them. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,463 #20 January 25, 2007 >I guess you missed the part about the teacher failing to > follow "school board rules that require her to seek written permission > to present "controversial" materials in class." So as the article mentions - should they seek written permission to mention the holocaust? Should they give equal time to holocause deniers? There is no question whatsoever that the issue of holocaust denial is a controversial one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #21 January 25, 2007 QuoteQuote1) You said "very loud noise". This man sent out a single e-mail. The thing is... free speech is a two way street. Oh please. Google the mans name and find out how much noise he can make. I did. I did a google news search for "frosty e. hardiman" and got ONE reply. A regular google search produced none. So I removed the middle initial and got seven results. WOW QuoteAnd it is an indisputable fact that he is a fundamentalist madman Indisputable FACT that he is a madman? LMAO Quotethose people should not have any influence over what happens in a public school. Free speech applies to everyone. Or are you saying that only people you agree with should have a say in their children's education? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #22 January 25, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteToo many morons think that they're scientists. You don't need science if you have the Bible. And Clinton lied about getting a blowjob. Threads over. You can go home, now. Kewl! Godwin's Law has a sibling!!Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #23 January 25, 2007 [weep]..... Over the past few hours, I've come to love him <><> Whoops .... wrong forum (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #24 January 25, 2007 Exactly. If he doesn't like the school curriculum, he can always pull his kids out. and whilst he's at it he should wind his arrogant (we're better than everyone else if only from a sample size of one) head in - TW@. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #25 January 25, 2007 QuoteExactly. If he doesn't like the school curriculum, he can always pull his kids out. and whilst he's at it he should wind his arrogant (we're better than everyone else if only from a sample size of one) head in - TW@. And John Scopes should have just quit if he had issues with the curriculum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
