bodypilot90 0 #76 October 18, 2006 QuoteLife ain't fair! That's what I was trying to tell Ashley, well i guess we agree on that point Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #77 October 18, 2006 And to add to the general renaming of the calendar, we now have National Character Counts Week: "NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim October 15 through October 21, 2006, as National Character Counts Week. I call upon public officials, educators, librarians, parents, students, and all Americans to observe this week with appropriate ceremonies, activities, and programs." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #78 October 18, 2006 Quote>oesn't mean riggers and teachers aren't doing their best to fix those problems. We had a teacher purposely teach incorrect math to students because it made her job easier. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #79 October 18, 2006 QuoteAnd to add to the general renaming of the calendar, we now have National Character Counts Week: "NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim October 15 through October 21, 2006, as National Character Counts Week. I call upon public officials, educators, librarians, parents, students, and all Americans to observe this week with appropriate ceremonies, activities, and programs." What total waste of time. And if people follow up on the request, a waste of money. Parents should teach character and it's an insult to think a reminder is necessary or that it more important one week vs all the time. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #80 October 18, 2006 >We had a teacher purposely teach incorrect math to students >because it made her job easier. I hope payroll rounds down to the nearest thousand on her paychecks - to make their jobs easier, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #81 October 18, 2006 QuoteAddressing his post is pointless, anyone who feels that way or agrees with what he said is not going to change their mind. I don't need to waste my breath. I am just amazed that people like that actually exist. So you are one of these people who does not have a line that you will not cross? Next year it'll be fighting for a month for bondage and S&M. After all, there's absolutely no perversion involved in those lifestyles. Promoting any sexually driven lifestyle, and that's what homosexuality is, is about trying to undermine the moral foundations of family values and everyday life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #82 October 18, 2006 >Promoting any sexually driven lifestyle, and that's what > homosexuality is, is about trying to undermine the moral >foundations of family values and everyday life. So you're against monogamy, I take it? Best get rid of any mention of "mommy" or "daddy" then, lest you start promoting that one form of sexual relationship! I suspect what you meant is that you want only YOUR preferred lifestyle taught. If so, get in line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #83 October 18, 2006 QuoteI'm going to take this off topic a little bit and rant because this issue really pisses me off. I'm not gay, or bi, but I have a good amount of friends who are. I think they deserve the same respect we doAs far as I can tell, getting a job, going to the bank, going grocery shopping, taking a vacation, or pursuing some adreneline sport, is done everyday without making some great proclamation about your sexual preference. At least that's how it is in my world. By the way, I have several customers who are lesbians. I do a good job and give them a square deal, and the topic of sex never even comes up. Any person who makes a contribution to society should be celebrated for the accomplishment, and not what the person choses to do in the confines of their bedroom. The sexuality of Thomas Edison had absolutely no bearing on the invention of the light bulb. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #84 October 18, 2006 Please. American lifestyle is sexually driven. The only ones who freak out about it are the ones that aren't getting laid. Look at magazines like SI's Swim Suit Edition. What do you think they are trying to sell? Hell Victoria's Secret marketing campaign is slightly geared towards men. Pick up an issue of FIM magazine, don't freak out if you see one of the female models wearing a skimpy outfit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #85 October 18, 2006 So you're against monogamy, I take it? Best get rid of any mention of "mommy" or "daddy" then, lest you start promoting that one form of sexual relationship! QuoteI suspect what you meant is that you want only YOUR preferred lifestyle taught. If so, get in line. Monogamy doesn't have to shoved down people's throats until they accept it. Those children know where they came from, and I would bet that they are not reminded everyday that their parents are heterosexuals. There's really no need. By your thinking, any sexual deviancy should promoted as normal, and put out there for children to explore. "This week, children, we are going to be looking into the lifestyle of the swingers. Next week, we will be looking into masochism, and it's positive effects upon humanity." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 100 #86 October 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteAddressing his post is pointless, anyone who feels that way or agrees with what he said is not going to change their mind. I don't need to waste my breath. I am just amazed that people like that actually exist. So you are one of these people who does not have a line that you will not cross? Next year it'll be fighting for a month for bondage and S&M. After all, there's absolutely no perversion involved in those lifestyles. Promoting any sexually driven lifestyle, and that's what homosexuality is, is about trying to undermine the moral foundations of family values and everyday life. Can you please refer me to the place in my posts that I mentioned any stance whatsoever about gay history month. I only referred to his bigoted and offensive statements. Personally, I have always thought that all of the X history months were rather silly and I think this one is as well. On the other hand your comments about homosexuality undermining the moral foundations of family values are pretty absurd. First of all you would have to start from the assumption that heterosexuality automatically implied moral family values. No matter how much the religious right would like it to be so, that is just not the case. Sexuality and morality have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I have met plenty of moral and immoral folks from the heterosexual and homosexual sides of the coin.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,772 #87 October 18, 2006 >Monogamy doesn't have to shoved down people's throats until they > accept it. Those children know where they came from . . . Do they? How many grade school kids know they came from someone's vagina? Often something about a stork is taught. Eventually, of course, someone does "shove sex down their throat" to use your charming phrase. Usually it's in high school health class, although many kids have figured it out before then. Oddly enough, lesbian women give birth exactly the same way straight women do. And even more oddly, both straight (infertile) couples and lesbian couples use sperm donors. Their origins are every bit as valid as your average kid from heterosexual couples. >and I would bet that they are not reminded everyday that their >parents are heterosexuals. There's really no need. Nor is there any need to remind kids of gay parents that their parents are gay. They know already. >By your thinking, any sexual deviancy should promoted as >normal, and put out there for children to explore. Nope. I don't think we should teach any sexual stuff to grade school kids. You can teach gay history without teaching about gay sex, just as you can teach black history without teaching about the "abomination" of interracial sex. Both are far more valid in a high school (or better yet, college) setting than a grade school setting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,379 #88 October 19, 2006 QuoteMonogamy doesn't have to shoved down people's throats until they accept it. Those children know where they came from, and I would bet that they are not reminded everyday that their parents are heterosexuals. There's really no need. I find this very interesting. You are equating 'heterosexuality' with 'monogamy.' Why? I believe that currently around 30% of straight marriages succeed. How many of those marriages that do stay together have daddy diddling the secretary on business trips? Most children will not learn monogamy from their parents behaviour. It is something that will be taught, not absorbed from the surroundings.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #89 October 19, 2006 QuoteIt's not about fair! Kids are there to get the skills to support themselves. Life is seldom fair, however over long term hard work and smarts equal monetary rewards. Johnny needs to read and do math and to think in a logical way and be able to express his ideas. Secular progressives want everything fair, it's not. Any random malfunction may kill you and not me. Life is like that I agree.... life's not fair. And I also agree that kids are there to learn about reading, writing, math, literature, and the like. We learn so much more as we grow up through school; much more than what can be taught out of books. It's where we also shape some of our characters. It's where we learn to be human beings and respect one another. It's where we learn-- period. This issue wasn't taking away any learning. You're cloaking the argument. This wasn't about cancleing classes to have a gay pride day. They will be reading, writing, and doing caclulations just as much as they were before this was even mentioned on the school calendar. They will be "getting the skills to support themselves" still, except for the calendar sitting at home on the fridge as an extra sentence on it to note something for the month of October. How does that take away from learning in the classroom? Hell, I remember when I was in high scohol I never even looked at the damn calendar. Trust me, seeing "gay awareness month" on the school calendar wouldn't have blown my grade in calculus!Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #90 October 19, 2006 QuoteNext year it'll be fighting for a month for bondage and S&M. After all, there's absolutely no perversion involved in those lifestyles. Promoting any sexually driven lifestyle, and that's what homosexuality is, is about trying to undermine the moral foundations of family values and everyday life. So now just gay and lesbians practice S&M???? I know more straight friends who do it than my gay friends!! Gay and straight people alike are all sexually driven. It's our human nature. Gay and lesbians love just like straight people love. they have sex just like straight couples have sex. they make love just like straight people make love. .....and, to put it bluntly, they will do kinky shit just like straight people do kinky shit. When it comes down to it, we're all driven in the same way.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaM 0 #91 October 19, 2006 Do they celebrate heterosexual month too? ~ Lisa ~ Do you Rigminder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #92 October 19, 2006 QuoteDo they celebrate heterosexual month too? Every Day is heterosexual day... you only need to watch television to see that all those very personal moments of our lives are splashed on the screen several times an hour. Of course our puritanical censors will not allow for soooo much of what is deemed normal in ourt society.. hell.. I saw boobies on CBC just the other day... now the Canadians are all going to hell for sure. Seriously.. I wonder how many of our right wingie boys here.. might have touched another male when they were in those formative years and are now so homophobic because of all that guilt...... studies show the most vocal ones are usually afriad that they in fact may harbor homosexual feelings so they go into overreact homophobia to PROVE they are not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #93 October 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteDo they celebrate heterosexual month too? Every Day is heterosexual day... you only need to watch television to see that all those very personal moments of our lives are splashed on the screen several times an hour. Of course our puritanical censors will not allow for soooo much of what is deemed normal in ourt society.. hell.. I saw boobies on CBC just the other day... now the Canadians are all going to hell for sure. Seriously.. I wonder how many of our right wingie boys here.. might have touched another male when they were in those formative years and are now so homophobic because of all that guilt...... studies show the most vocal ones are usually afriad that they in fact may harbor homosexual feelings so they go into overreact homophobia to PROVE they are not. Could the same rationale explain why so many liberals have such a high level of disdain for conservatives? Conservatiphobia? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #94 October 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteDo they celebrate heterosexual month too? Every Day is heterosexual day... you only need to watch television to see that all those very personal moments of our lives are splashed on the screen several times an hour. Of course our puritanical censors will not allow for soooo much of what is deemed normal in ourt society.. hell.. I saw boobies on CBC just the other day... now the Canadians are all going to hell for sure. Seriously.. I wonder how many of our right wingie boys here.. might have touched another male when they were in those formative years and are now so homophobic because of all that guilt...... studies show the most vocal ones are usually afriad that they in fact may harbor homosexual feelings so they go into overreact homophobia to PROVE they are not. Could the same rationale explain why so many liberals have such a high level of disdain for conservatives? Conservatiphobia? So liberals are those who were improperly touched by conservatives in their childhood?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #95 October 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDo they celebrate heterosexual month too? Every Day is heterosexual day... you only need to watch television to see that all those very personal moments of our lives are splashed on the screen several times an hour. Of course our puritanical censors will not allow for soooo much of what is deemed normal in ourt society.. hell.. I saw boobies on CBC just the other day... now the Canadians are all going to hell for sure. Seriously.. I wonder how many of our right wingie boys here.. might have touched another male when they were in those formative years and are now so homophobic because of all that guilt...... studies show the most vocal ones are usually afriad that they in fact may harbor homosexual feelings so they go into overreact homophobia to PROVE they are not. Could the same rationale explain why so many liberals have such a high level of disdain for conservatives? Conservatiphobia? So liberals are those who were improperly touched by conservatives in their childhood? That must be it. I'm sure someone could construct a study to support this premise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #96 October 19, 2006 I say the more open kids are to homosexual eperiences and lifestyles the better for them. Gay sex alongside heterosexual sex, even at the same time are fun as hell. nothing beats a 3way in college. so, close up your bibles, and stop careing about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #97 October 20, 2006 What cracks me up is half of the guys in this forum who have a problem with gay sex is really saying that they have a problem with guys having sex with guys-- becuase 9 times out of 10 they think it's fine and dandy if two chicks have sex wtih each other-- especially if it's in front of them or on tape! Or, like you mentioned, in a three way with them.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #98 October 20, 2006 QuoteNope. I don't think we should teach any sexual stuff to grade school kids. You can teach gay history without teaching about gay sex, just as you can teach black history without teaching about the "abomination" of interracial sex. Both are far more valid in a high school (or better yet, college) setting than a grade school setting.The very fact that gay history is being taught automatically includes an explanation of the gay lifestyle, or what makes one gay. It can't be avoided. Liberace was a great pianist. I really don't need to know that he died of AIDS from having unprotected sex with some other man. It just isn't relevant to his accomplishments. If it is, then we must discuss the sexual preference of every great pianist that is studied in music class. Do you see how rediculous that would become? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites