Verdict for Zacarias Moussaoui

[SkyDekker 1,130]

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Doode....the guy was a bastard who admitted to guilt. It's different sitting in Canada critisizing how US works, but I guarantee you would feel different if a plane hits a building in Toronto, and a person you know was killed for no good reason.

I am not criticising. I think it has played a bit of a role. I also think it is perfectly understandable. ON the second note, I did know people who perished and those that came close on that day.

For the other that posted after you and have gone completely overboard....nobody is saying he shouldn't havebeen jailed. Nobody is saying he is a good guy. Get your heart rate back under control and try to make some sense...

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half the crowd here thing he shouldn't even be penalized that much because he didn't wield a box cutter

probably a tenth of them think he deserves a medal for making a statement of free speech against the 'fascists'

You're getting yourself worked up about your own fantasies again... If you want to demonize people by claiming they have contentious opinions that they haven't said, maybe you should limit yourself to people who won't actually read your tirade.

Or maybe you can sense people's inner thoughts with your psychic powers. If that's the case I apologize.

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If you want to demonize people by claiming they have contentious opinions that they haven't said,

Again, since you're feeling contentious, irony score is pretty high here.

Nope, just fantasies and attitudes I'm reading. Those that are paranoid and inferring it's about them specifically are likely only feeling guilty for some odd reason I can't fathom.

My psychic powers are really restricted only bending spoons. Which is destructive, not creative, so can only be used for evil in a minor way. Now being able to straighten bent spoons would be a gift that would benefit school cafeterias all over the world. Those guys are really making a difference in the world.

have a nice weekend

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Again, since you're feeling contentious, irony score is pretty high here.

Contentious? No. I just saw you accusing some unnamed people of opinions. It seems unproductive to keep their identities secret if you want to discuss an opinion with someone who holds it.

Or possibly you're just making the whole thing up. Somehow that would be my guess.

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Those that are paranoid and inferring it's about them specifically are likely only feeling guilty for some odd reason I can't fathom.

I haven't seen anyone infer it's about them. Maybe you're being paranoid that someone is taking it personally?

But since you show untold scorn towards the same group all the time, it's a fair guess who you're demonizing unfairly again. If it's not the usual targets of your unfair diatribes, please clear up the misunderstanding.

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Again, serious irony score.
You're fishing. Bored? Somehow that would be my guess.

1 - I'm paranoid only because people are out to get me.
2 - Scorn is usually not untold. Mostly it is told.

But here, I'll throw you a bone.

The comment about giving him a medal was certainly an extrapolation not seen in this thread at all. DAMN, I'm cynical about people's motivations. Certainly you have the same cynicism in other areas.....

As far as him being considered innocent due to not considering accessory crimes, or even the whole "innocent even when proven guilty" debate (hopefully just for discussion here), certainly you see that in many posts and opinion articles and other resources including speaker's corner.....

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[Darius11 12]

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Does accessory to murder have one penalty? Or does it increase with each victim or potential victim? Does 3000 deaths and (many more planned) add up the penalties? To how much?

You know thats a good point. even 6 months x 3000 is enough for life.

I stand corrected

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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You know thats a good point. even 6 months x 3000 is enough for life.

It's nice of you to say so, but I have no idea how it really works. clear skies this weekend, can't wait

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Again, serious irony score.

Cheap.

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You're fishing. Bored? Somehow that would be my guess.

Sort of. I'm doing work and when I get an itch I switch over to see what idiocy is being posted on dropzone. It's a hobby...

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2 - Scorn is usually not untold. Mostly it is told.

My god, you caught me in a minor grammatical error. Holy shit!!! Good catch! Alert the media and prepare the gallows.

Perhaps in my defense you'll allow me to submit the following correction (with Rehmwa's pending approval): "since you show untold unfathomable scorn towards the same group all the time..."

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DAMN, I'm cynical about people's motivations.

Yes. If you make up opinions for others completely completely out of the blue then work yourself up into a frenzy about it, that shows a deep cynicism. Perhaps there are even other words to describe it but they escape me at the moment.

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Certainly you have the same cynicism in other areas.....

Would it make you feel healthier if I do?

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As far as him being considered innocent due to not considering accessory crimes, or even the whole "innocent even when proven guilty" debate (hopefully just for discussion here), certainly you see that in many posts and opinion articles and other resources including speaker's corner.....

Actually, I've paid astoundingly little attention to the whole thing. In fact, I pay very little attention to everything in the news. Just enough to reinforce my cynicism ... then I make dinner for friends, go boating, skydive, take classes, and spend time with my dear husband. Oh, and occasionally watch the idiocy on dropzone.

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[Darius11 12]

Me too bro haven't jumped in two weeks i am prying for tomorrow.

Be safe have fun.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[rehmwa 2]

You're very wearying to write with.

Have a good weekend.

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Have a good weekend.

WAIT! Don't take off without criticizing Darius11's spelling error. And I think there's a typo in the christian thread you haven't alerted us to yet.

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[Darius11 12]

Now everyone knows an event worth mentioning is when I post something without a spelling mistake

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Michele 1]

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Last time I checked we don't jail people for the possibility of committing a crime.

I hung a jury on just that subject a few years back. Well, not that subject, but it came up a lot during deliberations. An interesting few days, that was...really demonstrated what fear can do to a person, and what hate and prejudice can do to those sitting in judgment, with a bit of power over that fear. Lots of "group think" and pressure put on me to "conform" but that's not my nature.

But Moussaoui is a different story, I think. I don't believe the sentence was passed because the jury was fearful of what he might do at some point, nor do I think the guilty plea was accepted for the same reason. Rather, I think that conspiracy is a real event, a real crime, and that in this case it was punished effectively.

Furthermore, I don't think that the jury did a lot of deliberation on the topic of "we can't make him a martyr." From what I've read, and from what I've heard, that really wasn't a factor in their conversation; rather, what punishment is fitting for this crime was the focus.

In any event, I think that a life sentence is fine. Let him sit in Supermax in Colorado for the next 40 years. By the same token, I don't think I'd've been upset if they had given him death, either. Both methods keep him away from being able to commit any further crime on the public.

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Michele

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While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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You guys have it all wrong...he just needs to be put into the standard prison population with all the other thugs. No solitary, no white wall shit....I'm glad he didn't get the death penalty....because what's coming to him in from the inmate population is going to be far more rewarding! Wonder how long he'll last...or his ass will last for that matter.

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But Moussaoui is a different story, I think. I don't believe the sentence was passed because the jury was fearful of what he might do at some point, nor do I think the guilty plea was accepted for the same reason.

I agree Michele. I was refering back to the attitude of some of the posters on teh thread, which probably reflects the feelings of many.

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> In any event, I think that a life sentence is fine. Let him sit in Supermax in Colorado for the next 40 years. By the same token, I don't think I'd've been upset if they had given him death, either. Both methods keep him away from being able to commit any further crime on the public.

Now that Zacarias Moussaoue has been giving life without the possibility of ever being set free, he has come to realize after only a week, he was lieing and now wishes to enter a plea of Not Guilty. Let us wait and see where this leads, Back to Court I'm sure.

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> In any event, I think that a life sentence is fine. Let him sit in Supermax in Colorado for the next 40 years. By the same token, I don't think I'd've been upset if they had given him death, either. Both methods keep him away from being able to commit any further crime on the public.

Now that Zacarias Moussaoue has been giving life without the possibility of ever being set free, he has come to realize after only a week, he was lieing and now wishes to enter a plea of Not Guilty. Let us wait and see where this leads, Back to Court I'm sure.

Is that even legal? Can you really change you plea after yhou dont like what teh sentence is. Sounds obsurd!

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Is that even legal? Can you really change you plea after yhou dont like what teh sentence is. Sounds obsurd!

Generally not. This doesn't seem likely to go anywhere.

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Is that even legal? Can you really change you plea after yhou dont like what teh sentence is. Sounds obsurd!

Generally not. This doesn't seem likely to go anywhere.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MOUSSAOUI?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-05-08-18-23-44

"I had thought I would be sentenced to death based on the emotions and anger toward me for the deaths on Sept. 11, but after reviewing the jury verdict and reading how the jurors set aside their emotions and disgust for me and focused on the law and the evidence ... I now see that it is possible that I can receive a fair trial even with Americans as jurors."

ah the irony...the attacker realizes his victims are not the assholes he thought they were...

"I wish to withdraw my guilty plea and ask the court for a new trial to prove my innocence of the Sept. 11 plot," Moussaoui wrote. "I have never met (lead 9/11 hijacker) Mohammed Atta and, while I may have seen a few of the other hijackers ... (in Afghanistan), I never knew them or anything about their operation."

ah, we knew it all along. just a dope. too bad the US Gov propped him up like he WAS the 19th hijacker...wonder if that's a testament to our 'intelligence level' or what-have-you or if it's just a testament to the Gov's desire to find somebody and prosecute them to 'appease' the public and divert attention from the real issues. Probably a lil of both I imagine...(I did enjoy the ridiculous argument from the Prosecution that 'had Moussaoui told the FBI the truth' 9/11 could have been prevented and we could have arrested some of the hijackers...)

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But I thought Mousaoui won and America lost.... Isn't that what he said in court ? Guess he doesn't like the new lifetime accomodations.

I'm still glad he didn't get a death sentence. Killing a moron is nothing to be proud of. Well, as long as the Federal Prisons don't let "Entertainment Tonight" interview him in his cell, we should be hearing very very little from him anymore.

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But I thought Mousaoui won and America lost.... Isn't that what he said in court ? Guess he doesn't like the new lifetime accomodations.

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I think reality set in pretty quickly ....

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But I thought Mousaoui won and America lost.... Isn't that what he said in court ? Guess he doesn't like the new lifetime accomodations.

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I think reality set in pretty quickly ....

yeah, my thoughts exactly. good ol' zack realized that he grandstanded in that courtroom for no reason. treated his defense team like the enemy for no good reason. too bad, should've wised up sooner. could've been a whole diff ball game.

Does whisky count as beer? - Homer
There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner
Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

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I think reality set in pretty quickly ....

So a general question . . . was Moussaoui railroaded?

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[rehmwa 2]

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So a general question . . . was Moussaoui railroaded?

I think they transport them in high security vans and simple cop cars. If the prisoner is high profile, then the security van might also have an escort. If an airplane trip is needed, then a security escort goes along and the prisoner gets a window seat.

No one takes the railroad any more. Only coal.

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