skydyvr 0 #101 March 3, 2006 QuoteSometimes, teachers need to take a position (mostly play devils's advocate) to get the students to think about their position. Sometimes just to hold their interest. Its just part of the learning process. The teacher in this case is CLEARLY shoving his views onto the students, nothing to do with playing "devil's advocate". . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #102 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuotePerfect example. If this teacher made a spirited speech about the virtues of freedom and democracy, what would your reaction be? Should he be placed on administrative leave and possibly terminated for his opinions? Of course not, you hold the same opinion. Um, holy shit. Are you really saying that in a classroom setting, in a free "democracy" (do you really still fall under the misconception that the U.S. is built to be a "democracy"?) any time the virtues of freedom and democracy are taught to students, we have to give equal time to the teaching of the virtues of fascism and totalitarianism?! What the fuck, dude?! QuoteMost people are taking sides as to whether they agree or disagree with his opinion. I'm not. I'm saying he has a right to it and shouldn't lose his job because of it. He's been suspended. I have not heard that he's been fired. And does he have a right to voice his opinion without giving the other side, in an issue that doesn't relate to the subject he is paid to teach, even despite there being a clear rule in the district about giving alternate viewpoints? He's entitled to break that rule just because he's entitled to his opinion? No one ever said he was not entitled to have an opinion. Do you have a right to disturb moviegoers by standing up during a screening and starting to rant about your political opinions? No. But that doesn't mean that those who escort you out of the theater tried to take away your right to an opinion. I really wonder if you understand this. So far, it does not seem so. - The issue is not whether he was going outside the scope of the class. No one seems to be saying that. If they were, I think it would be a lot more cut and dried. The issue is equal representation of views. In essence, the people with the complaint are actually agreeing with this: QuoteAre you really saying that in a classroom setting, in a free "democracy" (do you really still fall under the misconception that the U.S. is built to be a "democracy"?) any time the virtues of freedom and democracy are taught to students, we have to give equal time to the teaching of the virtues of fascism and totalitarianism?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #103 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Kinda reminded me of how the students were required to report on thier teachers in 1930's Germany.. Why would a student voluntarily recording the teacher remind you of what fascists required anyone to do in 1930s Germany? Could you maybe be making this parallel out of your desire to think this is a fascist issue? I think it's obvious that she was reminded of it by the fact that the student reported on what was being taught. The recording part was secondary. Yes, well, he did neither the reporting nor the recording out of an obligation to a totalitarian regime; and it speaks volumes against Amazon's argument that he was the ONLY one who came forward to complain about the teacher's breaking of the clear rules that govern teachers in this school. If you have a problem with the rule itself, let's hear it and discuss it. It is an objective truth that the teacher broke that rule that is supposed to be in effect in the classroom. Why anyone thinks that when one student who happened to be recording as a matter of normal course comes forward to complain about a legitimate breaking of a rule by a teacher it is indicative of a sea-change toward Hitler's Youth, I have no fucking idea. QuoteThe kid has a hard lesson coming up to him in college. Hopefully it's just his dad living in this special world. Otherwise the kid will flunk the first time he gets a marxist instructor. So it's okay if he gets a marxist instructor who fails him for presenting non-marxist opinions, huh? QuoteOr insert your own alternative line of thinking. They won't be impressed by FoxNews either. Now that this story is also on MSNBC.com, will you be continuing to make it an issue that Foxnews covered it? Will a marxist instructor be impressed by MSNBC? Or will it be requiring CBSnews.com to impress a marxist shithead? Really, man, how long are you folks gonna keep harping on, "It was a Foxnews story"? It's an AP story. And continual mention of it being carried by Foxnews ("and therefore it must have conservative bias") is just fucking inane. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #104 March 3, 2006 QuoteThe issue is not whether he was going outside the scope of the class. No one seems to be saying that. If they were, I think it would be a lot more cut and dried. I disagree, I thought I had made that obvious in earlier posts.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #105 March 3, 2006 QuoteHard to say. Sometimes great lecturer's will use inflamatory coments to provoke a reaction, which they hope to mold into a conversation, in the interest of developing critical thinking skills in students. When skilled lecturers do that, it usually is quite clear they are being a "devil's advocate" in order to jump-start thinking and debate. Quite different from a guy who actually IS stating his actual opinion. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #106 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe issue is not whether he was going outside the scope of the class. No one seems to be saying that. If they were, I think it would be a lot more cut and dried. I disagree, I thought I had made that obvious in earlier posts. You did. He's just screening out the parts that are too hard for him to rebut. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #107 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe issue is not whether he was going outside the scope of the class. No one seems to be saying that. If they were, I think it would be a lot more cut and dried. I disagree, I thought I had made that obvious in earlier posts. The protest came Thursday as administrators began investigating whether Overland High School teacher Jay Bennish violated a policy requiring balancing viewpoints in the classroom, Cherry Creek School District spokeswoman Tustin Amole said. - Not sure where you're going, but teaching outside the scope of the class is not the issue. It seems to be a good question though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #108 March 3, 2006 QuoteYour going skydiving kinda reminds me of how paratroopers in WWII were required to jump out of planes into enemy territory to fight or die for victory... The GI's VOLUNTEERED to jump out of planes in WW II I did the same 30 some odd years later. Far different from your analogy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #109 March 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe issue is not whether he was going outside the scope of the class. No one seems to be saying that. If they were, I think it would be a lot more cut and dried. I disagree, I thought I had made that obvious in earlier posts. You did. He's just screening out the parts that are too hard for him to rebut. - Am I not using enough swear words for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #110 March 3, 2006 QuoteSieg Heil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You certainly are on a Nazi kick aren't you? Well when so many on the Reich Wing are on it.. maybe SOMEONE needs to point out the similarities.. just like the teacher did.. BUT yall on the REICH side of things certainly dont want to hear it... ANY viewpoint that diverges from the party line.. is instantly denigrated and called unpatriotic... MAYBE .. just MAYBE.. you should look at the similarities. But you wont.. it does not fit your worldview. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #111 March 3, 2006 QuoteWell when so many on the Reich Wing are on it.. maybe SOMEONE needs to point out the similarities.. Yea, and it's really great to have a balanced moderate like you on the forum to do the job . . . . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #112 March 3, 2006 Hey.. I know you read ALL of my posts.. otherwise you would not have NEARLY the amount of one liner sniping posts you do out of that 2135 post of yours...interesting statistic of the replies to my posts.... But you see.. I do have an open mind.. and get my news from more than just the Daily RNC Newsletter and Fox News and Newsmax where about 6 or 7 of you fixate on here in SC.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #113 March 3, 2006 QuoteHey.. I know you read ALL of my posts.. otherwise you would not have NEARLY the amount of one liner sniping posts you do out of that 2135 post of yours...interesting statistic of the replies to my posts.... But you see.. I do have an open mind.. and get my news from more than just the Daily RNC Newsletter and Fox News and Newsmax where about 6 or 7 of you fixate on here in SC.... I find this really funny considering the links you post on here are always to sites like Alex Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #114 March 3, 2006 QuoteAnything is possible.... but obviously the students were upset over SOMEthing that was said. The first sentence said what they were upset over QuoteAbout 150 high school students walked out of class to protest a decision to put a teacher on leave while they investigate remarks he made about President Bush in class, including that some people compare Bush to Adolf Hitler. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #115 March 3, 2006 I post stuff from Newsmax and Fox too.. as well as your favorite the CCC website. Face it you cant handle anything that does not follow your own goosesteps... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #116 March 3, 2006 QuoteI post stuff from Newsmax and Fox too.. as well as your favorite the CCC website. Face it you cant handle anything that does not follow your own goosesteps... What is the CCC website? I'm glad you know so much about what I read. Have you been stalking me again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #117 March 3, 2006 No but I think skydyver follows me around Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #118 March 3, 2006 What is this CCC website you claim I get my news from? If it upsets you this much, I want to know about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #119 March 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteSieg Heil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You certainly are on a Nazi kick aren't you? Well when so many on the Reich Wing are on it.. maybe SOMEONE needs to point out the similarities.. just like the teacher did.. BUT yall on the REICH side of things certainly dont want to hear it... ANY viewpoint that diverges from the party line.. is instantly denigrated and called unpatriotic... MAYBE .. just MAYBE.. you should look at the similarities. But you wont.. it does not fit your worldview. Actually, you know nothing about my political views Amazon. The left (and the losers, politically) comparing the present administration to nazis and Hitler is positively ridiculous tho. The fall elections aren't that far off and 2008 isn't either. Perhaps if the left/dems can field candidates that aren't out of the park in the left field area, they might win something. I doubt it tho. As for this teacher, how about he stick to the subjects he is suppossed to teach?!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #120 March 4, 2006 QuoteBut you see.. I do have an open mind... HAHAHAHA! ...that's the second time today that you've left me in stitches! QuoteJust WTF are the Conservatives in the Reich Wing actually " Conserving" you consistently compare people who debate here to the nazi party and you have the brass to say that you have an open mind... truly awesome..."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #121 March 4, 2006 Well if you guys would stop sounding so much like them... perhaps I would... Why not go read some of the propaganda from pre WWII in Germany.. its eerily familiar to the same things being said today..by this administration. OH thats right since you do not believe it its not true.. and so many of you will not take the time to actually read about the past so we do not have to relive it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #122 March 4, 2006 i have read some of it and to say that you're "reaching" is an understatement."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #123 March 4, 2006 Kinda sounds familiar now doesnt it... "Nazi leader Herman Goering once remarked that it was easy to lead people into war, regardless of whether they resided within “a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.” All that was required, Goering argued, is for their government to “tell them they are being attacked, and [then] denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger.” And ya know... with all the CRAP the REICH Wing Pundits have been spouting for YEARS now about.....feminazi's( one of LUSH RimJobs favorites) and Hitlary Clinton.... you sure do get all worked up when you actually DO start sounding like them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #124 March 4, 2006 Please stop referring to any persons not in the Nazi party as Nazi's It is a complete insult by any standard, and doing so in a face to face discussion would be entirely stupid at best. So lets all stop this crap of calling people Nazi's unless you want to be called murderers and Anti Semites and Communists... IS THAT FAIR ENOUGH FOR YOU? edited to be nice ok? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #125 March 4, 2006 Godwins Law, my friend...Godwins Law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
