What do you use for marking black coated fabrics?

[GoneCodFishing 23]

Need to do loads of marking on black PU coated ripstop which also has a DWR coating on it on the outside, and so far nothing i tried leaves a usable mark, which needs to be reasonably narrow as i have to transfer templates, and durable enough to stay in while cutting and sewing multiple layers.

I could live with it being permanent if it can't be avoided, but even grease pencils fail to so much as draw a line on it

Any tips on what you guys use?

[piisfish 136]

Chalk ?

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[GoneCodFishing 23]

No, chalk doesn't work. The coating seems to be too slick for chalk to mark, and i tried anything form taylors chalk to bogstandard blackboard chalk.

[Alexg3265 0]

silver or gold sharpie... itll stay for a while and then flake off eventually unlike black or any other colors... i use it while working on black. my chalk pencils dont like it

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[GoneCodFishing 23]

Awesome thanks. Another user pm'd me sugesting the same.

I had been looking for white sharpies but the actual brand (sharpie) don't make them, as apparently they can't get white pigment to work properly, and the ones i tried weren't good enough for the job.

Cheers

[masterrigger1 2]

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Need to do loads of marking on black PU coated ripstop which also has a DWR coating on it on the outside, and so far nothing i tried leaves a usable mark, which needs to be reasonably narrow as i have to transfer templates,

Here you go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LISTO-1620-Pencil-Refills-Box-of-72-Grease-Leads-WHITE-162B-/121599550747?hash=item1c4fe5e51b:g:sp0AAOSwPhdVCetO

You can sharpen the leads with a hand-held pencil sharpener. The small cheapo type.
Wipes right off also...
Great for harness work also.


MEL

Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC
www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com

[sundevil777 94]

How are people to know which products will not damage fabrics/webbing?

The grease pencils don't have any specific assurance about that.

Do fabric/webbing manufacturers have a listing of items that are OK? Perhaps in Poynter's manual?

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[councilman24 36]

sundevil777

How are people to know which products will not damage fabrics/webbing?

The grease pencils don't have any specific assurance about that.

Do fabric/webbing manufacturers have a listing of items that are OK? Perhaps in Poynter's manual?

The gold standard Dixon pencil listed in poynter's is no longer available. I don't know of any other product that has been tested and data has been published. Lots of folks use Sharpies by default. Stadtler lumicolor was also rested but there are lots of versions now under that name.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,079]

Hi Mark,

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Here you go:

Thanks for the lead ( no pun intended ).

I just ordered some from : https://www.amazon.com/Listo-162-Refill-Box-WHITE/dp/B007QEL3XG

Jerry Baumchen

[councilman24 36]

JerryBaumchen

Hi Mark,

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Here you go:

Thanks for the lead ( no pun intended ).

I just ordered some from : https://www.amazon.com/Listo-162-Refill-Box-WHITE/dp/B007QEL3XG

Jerry Baumchen

Yeah, but did you buy the pens to put the refill leads in?
https://www.amazon.com/Listo-1620-Marking-Pencil-WHITE/dp/B007QEEF5Y/ref=pd_sim_229_7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0R2GGG0XDSMAZCZ81F3A

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Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[JerryBaumchen 1,079]

Hi Terry,

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Yeah, but did

I'll let you know next week, they will arrive this Sunday.

Jerry Baumchen

[mxk 1]

I bought a box of Listo assorted color pencils. I like them, assuming that they are safe to use on canopy fabric:

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[GoneCodFishing 23]

Thanks! I'll try to get some of those. They seem to be hard to find in Europe

[GoneCodFishing 23]

councilman24

***How are people to know which products will not damage fabrics/webbing?

The grease pencils don't have any specific assurance about that.

Do fabric/webbing manufacturers have a listing of items that are OK? Perhaps in Poynter's manual?

Lots of folks use Sharpies by default.

There're regular 'discussions' within the climbing world as to whether sharpies, or felt tip pens in general, damage nylon, in particular ropes.

The UIAA did a test and found they do 'affect' nylon, whereas independent tests sometimes find they have no effect. There's a lot of confusion depending on brands, etc, and the fact that because the test are specific to climbing ropes if there is any damage only usually the sheath rather than the load bearing core are affected by it.

With that in mind, and seeing as webbing obviously does not have a sheath protecting it, i personally avoid solvent based markers in webbing or anything load bearing.

Just to give 2 differing arguments. The UIAA notice

http://theuiaa.org/documents/safety/Notification_about_the_marking_of_ropes_by_climbers.pdf

and a 'test' by a manufacturer who must be said, doesn't manufacture rope


http://blackdiamondequipment.com/en_GB/qc-lab-can-i-use-a-sharpie-to-mark-the-middle-of-my-rope.html