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The site made it pretty clear that they did not intend to confront anyone illegally crossing the border, but to notify the BP that the activity was going on.



Just stop for a second and think this one through.

So, what do you think will be the result if people trying to cross illegally run into a jeep with two (ANY two) civilians driving near the boarder? Obviously they'll know about this "program" of volunteers and probably won't have any qualms about -stopping- the volunteers from doing that non-confrontational reporting. I'm guessing it's going to become confrontational in a -very- short time.

Knowing this, the volunteers (directed or not) would be wise to armed.

Guess what happens next?



If they come across the border illegally, then confront people in a violent manner and get shot, it's their own damn fault.

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yeah sorry to hear about your friend but the same thing happens everyday with americans with no insurance no dl all that shit happens with ppl from the us

yeah i totaly disagree with the whole wic program
we agree on something [;)


Not only will you look better, feel better, and fuck better; you'll have significantly increased your life expectancy. --Douva

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reply]I say shoot to kill anyone hopping the fence and string them up where the fall facing the other side as a warning to all other fence jumpers,and planting a few boobie traps and land mines as well wouldn't hurt.B|

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I realize that your joking but the odd thing is that many think that criminal violations will be the order of the day for the volunteers. I suppose that is just what some would want the world to think. That way members of the volunteer movement could be labeled as criminals and arrested making way for the UDA's to walk right on in unmolested as they have been for years.


A few weeks ago, I read a disturbing article in the AZ Republic news paper. The article was about how some government agencies in Mexico are actually writing pamphlets that outline where, when, and how to make illegal crossings into the US. They say it's being done in order to help save the lives of those who under take the arduous journey, but isn't that kind of like saying, "When robbing a bank make sure you where a bullet proof vest"

How about instead of giving ideas on how to make these illegal crossing, they say some thing like... oh I don't know... Wait I've got it how about "DON"T DO IT. IT'S AGAINST THE LAW"
Check out these two links. The first is the how too article the second is about the impact of UDA’s on the medical system

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4187/is_200501/ai_n9957737

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_5_55/ai_98572458

Sorry, I don't know how to make them clicky.

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yeah sorry to hear about your friend but the same thing happens everyday with americans with no insurance no dl all that shit happens with ppl from the us



I won't disagree with you there, I'm just saying that it happens at a higher rate with illegal immigrants.

I know that here, if you get two no-insurance tickets in a certain time period (I think it is 5 or 10 years) you run the risk of getting your license suspended or revoked, but I don't really think it stops anyone from driving.[:/]

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yeah i totaly disagree with the whole wic program
we agree on something [;)



When I was in high school, I worked at a local retail store that accepted the WIC thing. About half of the people I would see come in with it would buy about 100$ worth of food with the WIC card, then go spend $200 on beer, CD's, and video games. :S

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well sounds to me like you have no idea what it takes for ppl to get in to the country its not that easy



Personally, I don't give a damn what it takes or how hard it is, it can be done, and is done so by quite a few people.

It's a pain in the ass to get my driver's license renewed, but I don't go drive without it becuase it's difficult.

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yeah i totaly disagree with the whole wic program



On a side note (sorry, but I had to hijack for a second), the WIC program is a good program. I worked in a supermarket for 3 years and saw many young, poor families able to support their kids solely because of WIC. Also, when I was a kid my mom enrolled in the WIC program and it's the only way we could have afforded food.......Both parents had jobs and worked overtime but with me and my brother they couldn't afford proper food/clothing without the program.

So just because illegals (and some legals) abuse the program it isn't altogether bad (and i'm not a huge fan of socialism either).

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ppl also sell what they can buy with wic turn around and go buy some beer


off subject:
ive also seen ppl try to buy dog food with food stamps ......"sorry sir you cant buy dog food with food stamps"

so the guy goes and gets a steak for his freaking dog


Not only will you look better, feel better, and fuck better; you'll have significantly increased your life expectancy. --Douva

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Should a country be able to set and enforce its own immigration policy?
Yes or No.


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I like this guy's approach
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yes!!! free lunches for everyone!! we can pay the hospital bills by going to the money tree and plucking a few bushels. if that doesn't work, we can go get the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow! i hope the little leprechauns won't mind...maybe we could all work for free and make sure that everyone gets everything whether they are productive or not. we could call it happy land!!!

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yeah i totaly disagree with the whole wic program



On a side note (sorry, but I had to hijack for a second), the WIC program is a good program. I worked in a supermarket for 3 years and saw many young, poor families able to support their kids solely because of WIC. Also, when I was a kid my mom enrolled in the WIC program and it's the only way we could have afforded food.......Both parents had jobs and worked overtime but with me and my brother they couldn't afford proper food/clothing without the program.

So just because illegals (and some legals) abuse the program it isn't altogether bad (and i'm not a huge fan of socialism either).



It's a great program, but it's easily abused. :S

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This post is to no one in particular so I'm replying to myself.....

Most everyone is either complaining about too much security at the borders (essentially making it so hard for illegals to feed their families that they die in the process) or simply not enough protection from a grossly underfunded Border Patrol. While both of these have their merits, have any of y'all read the studies on immigration for the best way to control illegal immigrants?

I've read numerous studies and surprise surprise, the best way to deal with immigration is a free border. The basic premise is that a certain amount of immigrants will cross each year, and they'll simply go to the least fortified area to cross. Now, since we beef up the security on the border, it gets increasingly harder to cross. Well, this means illegal immigrants will cross the border and stay over here forever because it's so difficult/dangerous to cross.

However, in a more free border there is a flow of immigrants in and out of the country and illegal immigrants are much less likely to stay in the USA for extended periods of time, thus reducing the amount of illegal immigrants in the country.

Now yes, this does have huge security issues, but I just felt like the thread needed someone to discuss the different theories of border control rather than just say ours suck.

But what do I know, I won't even get my BS for another 54 days, 7 hours and 55 minutes.

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"Fate" is not spelled "fait."

Your spelling and grammar still suck.



Wouldn't that be Your grammar still SUCKS



No, suck is plural, referring to both "spelling and "grammar."

Example:

"That Guy Sucks!" (single subject,--> sucks)

"Cats suck!" (multiple subjects/a group of individuals or a class,-->suck)

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There's no reason to be sorry, what you wrote was correct, it just didn't address other issues in the program (which is impossible to do with the amount of posts/little amount of time to do it in).

And yes, I have seen WIC abused.....much the same as food stamps, but you just gotta take the good with the bad.

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I think they do need an overhaul of how they're run and it would solve many problems.....but I'm in no way smart enough to do that overhauling.

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yeah i totaly disagree with the whole wic program



On a side note (sorry, but I had to hijack for a second), the WIC program is a good program. I worked in a supermarket for 3 years and saw many young, poor families able to support their kids solely because of WIC. Also, when I was a kid my mom enrolled in the WIC program and it's the only way we could have afforded food.......Both parents had jobs and worked overtime but with me and my brother they couldn't afford proper food/clothing without the program.

So just because illegals (and some legals) abuse the program it isn't altogether bad (and i'm not a huge fan of socialism either).



Perhaps your parents should have assessed their financial situation more carefully and evaluated whether it was prudent to have children when they clearly could not afford them.

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I'm sorry for being an accident and the subsequent reason that my parents saved all their money for a vasectomy.........

I guess I'm also sorry for my mom having to drop out of night classes for her master's degree and take a part-time job after teaching during the day.

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However, in a more free border there is a flow of immigrants in and out of the country and illegal immigrants are much less likely to stay in the USA for extended periods of time, thus reducing the amount of illegal immigrants in the country.


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There is a problem with your plan. Contrary to what most think, not all of the jobs being filled by UDA's are of the non skilled variety.
Here in my town, there is a building boom under way. Walk into any new under construction development and what will you find? You will find that many of the skilled jobs ie... Carpenter, plumber, and electrician ect are actually being done by UDA's. So much for the "they only take the jobs we don't want" theory.
Oh yea, and they are sending all of that money back home to feed their starving families.Good for them.
Well what about our starving families. What about the american carpenter that can't get a job because he dosn't work cheep enough.

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