Students: Too Much Freedom of Press

[JohnRich 4]

In the news:

U.S. students say press freedoms go too far

"One in three U.S. high school students say the press ought to be more restricted, and even more say the government should approve newspaper stories before readers see them, according to a survey being released today.

"The survey of 112,003 students finds that 36% believe newspapers should get 'government approval' of stories before publishing; 51% say they should be able to publish freely; 13% have no opinion.

"Asked whether the press enjoys 'too much freedom,' not enough or about the right amount, 32% say 'too much,' and 37% say it has the right amount. Ten percent say it has too little..."

Source: Yahoo News

Those 36% scare the hell out of me - they are one-third of the future of America...

[DrunkMonkey 0]

Too small a sample size to be of any use/relevance.

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and even more say the government should approve newspaper stories before readers see them

That's seriously disturbing...

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Too small a sample size to be of any use/relevance.

That's bigger than most, if not all, of the polling for the presidential elections.

It is a disturbing stat... Looks like more classes on the Consitution are needed for some kids... although the headline is missleading... it could just as easily have read "students: Freedom of Press just right"


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[Skolem45 0]

Are you kidding me? Most poll samples are about 1000 people. As polls go, this is huge.

[shropshire 0]

Bloody Hell - Kids are always complaining about something! First it's "We dont have enough freedom" now it's "We've all got too much freedom".

Oy! Kids! .... Stop y'whining and get back to studying!

Send them to their rooms with no super !

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[RoadRash 0]

What this article says to me is that this generation is lacking in basic knowledge of the constitution...that's just plain sad......It's downright pathetic......


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Right.

Searching for quick refresher on WWW reminds me of how incredibly much I've forgotten re stats (everything), but I did find simple calculation for Margin of Error : MoE = 1 / (square root of sample size). In this case it is 1/335 or .3%.

If I've gotten this correct, and the poll was designed properly, that is an incredibly low margin of error - eh?

Good reason for citizens of all political persausions to be alarmed.

[SpeedRacer 1]

hmmm, very strange & disturbing if true.

it's not just about the margin of error, though. It is also about how the poll was given & how the questions were worded.

I would like to see the original wording of the poll given to the student, because this all sounds very strange to me.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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it's not just about the margin of error, though. It is also about how the poll was given & how the questions were worded.

I would like to see the original wording of the poll given to the student, because this all sounds very strange to me.

Indeed. I'm not too worried about this result because the poll was probably leading, and lots of beliefs high schoolers have are quickly discarded when they go to college or enter the real world. Until then, they may well have only had one source of influence, and they've never lost 40% of their paycheck to taxes.

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I would like to see the original wording of the poll given to the student, because this all sounds very strange to me.

More info here, including the methodology and complete report:
John & James Knight Foundation

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I'm not too worried about this result because the poll was probably leading, and lots of beliefs high schoolers have are quickly discarded when they go to college or enter the real world.

Yes! This is our salvation - as they mature they will come to respect the 1st Amendment more.

I would like to see the same poll results when given to a group of adults over age 30.

[Gawain 0]

Further proof that these teachers unions need to nail down the basics of math, english and history before any and all other pet-programs they want to teach.

Slap these kids...somebody...

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From what age do you start and finish High School?

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From what age do you start and finish High School?

it's grades 9 or 10 through 12. Ages typically are 14/15 through 18.

[Kennedy 0]

That's just freaking scary, and tells me that history teachers are covering the basics of American history.

It also tells me that the liberal/socialist attitude is wearing off on students.

Yes, I know liberals love to tell us how they value freedom of the press, but when you tell a kid that the government should be running things, well, he may not remember that it's only the things you don't like.

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[kelpdiver 2]

It's interesting you assume this is caused by a liberal bent in the grade schools. I doubt the teachers there are very political, which is likely the real problem. Government wasn't taught at my high school until the 12th grade, for a single semester. And it wasn't very good. Kiddie history, outside of two excellent teachers for AP studies, was pretty negligent too.

In the past 3 years, it's been as it usually has been. Government and right wingers want to control all negative "unAmerican" press, and the left trusts nothing. Just as it was back in the 60s. The history of censorship is far more right leaning, even with the emergence of intolerant left free speachers.

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It's interesting you assume this is caused by a liberal bent in the grade schools.

I was trying to say "socialist and heavy handed government" side, not liberal meaning Democrat.

Both the American "right" and "left" are guilty of advocating socilist policies.

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I doubt the teachers there are very political, which is likely the real problem.

Oh, most teachers I know and that my family work with are plent political when it comes to contract and election time.

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Government wasn't taught at my high school until the 12th grade, for a single semester. And it wasn't very good. Kiddie history, outside of two excellent teachers for AP studies, was pretty negligent too.

...And people wonder why I have issues with public education.

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The history of censorship is far more right leaning, even with the emergence of intolerant left free speachers.

Start a new thread on that and I can easily and powerfully refute your claims.

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The history of censorship is far more right leaning, even with the emergence of intolerant left free speachers.

Start a new thread on that and I can easily and powerfully refute your claims.

You don't need me to start it. Go ahead.

Tell us how McCarthy, for example, wasn't a Republican, and that the FSM was in fact full of Republicans.

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Study Raises Alarm About 1st Amendment, But What About 2nd?
By Alan Gottlieb and Dave Workman

Raising the alarm about how high school students view the First Amendment, the Associated Press reported several days ago that a study, sponsored by the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, revealed that many students think government censorship of newspapers is just fine.

These students believe that the First Amendment goes “too far” in its protection of the freedoms of speech, religion, press and assembly.

This caused the Foundation’s Hodding Carter III to observe, “These results are not only disturbing; they are dangerous. Ignorance about the basics of this free society is a danger to our nation’s future.”

Equally concerned about the results of the $1 million study, done by the University of Connecticut early in 2004, was Linda Puntney with the Journalism Education Association. In the report, she stated, “Schools don’t do enough to teach the First Amendment.”

Hodding, Linda: Welcome to the party. This has been a problem faced by Second Amendment scholars and advocates for many years.

We’ve never encountered a Second Amendment specialist who did not also righteously defend the First, and all the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights. Alas, too many First Amendment devotees skip the Second altogether and go on to the other Amendments, particularly when it comes to discussing individual rights.

Schools don’t do enough to teach the Second Amendment. In many cases, they don’t do anything at all. That’s a problem the Second Amendment Foundation has been addressing for more than three decades, and it has been an uphill battle. In today’s politically correct classroom environment, it’s virtually taboo to talk about firearms, and showing an interest in guns can get your photo banned from the high school yearbook, as happened this year to a New Hampshire student who wanted to appear with his skeet gun and shooting vest in his official senior class portrait.

If Mr. Carter wants to discuss “ignorance about the basics,” he needs to include reports in print and broadcast media that almost daily exhibit an alarming ignorance, and in many cases an abhorrence, toward firearms and the people who own them. Reporters inject their copy with such phrases as “high-powered assault weapon” when the firearm is neither an “assault weapon” (whatever that really is), nor is it very powerful when compared to typical hunting rifles. Editors insist that you “don’t need an assault rifle to hunt ducks,” revealing that they know nothing about duck hunting, don’t understand that the Second Amendment isn’t about hunting anyway, and have forgotten that it is not a “Bill of Needs” but a “Bill of Rights.”

This ignorance, accompanied by arrogance, was obvious in the Associated Press report about this study, in which a reporter wrote, “The original amendment to the Constitution is the cornerstone of the way of life in the United States, promising citizens the freedoms of religion, speech, press and assembly.” What self-serving poppycock. All the amendments in the Bill of Rights are “original,” and when it comes to being the “cornerstone of the way of life” in this country, we didn’t defeat England, Mexico, Spain, Japan and Germany with typewriters.

Today, a growing majority of legal scholars including Harvard’s Laurence Tribe acknowledge – albeit begrudgingly in some cases – that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. It deserves the same zealous defense as the right of free speech and assembly, and the right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure.

Most assuredly, it deserves the same interpretation as other Amendments that specifically allude to rights “of the people,” a phrase found in the First, Fourth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments as well as the Second.

Yet, when it comes to the Second Amendment, the majority of reporters treat it as though it were the leper colony of civil rights; a black sheep of an otherwise sterling family. So, perhaps Mr. Carter and Ms. Puntney will forgive us when we don’t reflexively join the whine about a bunch of high schoolers who think the government ought to ratchet down on reporters and editors. After all, that’s exactly the kind of restrictive approach that reporters and editors have been supporting for years when it comes to gun owners.

Hurts, doesn’t it?

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=3069

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In the news:

U.S. students say press freedoms go too far

"One in three U.S. high school students say the press ought to be more restricted, and even more say the government should approve newspaper stories before readers see them, according to a survey being released today.

"The survey of 112,003 students finds that 36% believe newspapers should get 'government approval' of stories before publishing; 51% say they should be able to publish freely; 13% have no opinion.

"Asked whether the press enjoys 'too much freedom,' not enough or about the right amount, 32% say 'too much,' and 37% say it has the right amount. Ten percent say it has too little..."

Source: Yahoo News

Those 36% scare the hell out of me - they are one-third of the future of America...

I want high schoolers to run the country, draft legislation, and be appointed to the US Sup Ct to make Constitutional decisions.

But the notion that the religious/conservative brainwashing of the youth is effective - yep - I agree. In time they willbe convinced we don't need guns, press, privacy etc.... all in the name of being scared of terrorism..... now why is it that I'm leaving this great country, or at least planning to????

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In the news:

U.S. students say press freedoms go too far

"One in three U.S. high school students say the press ought to be more restricted, and even more say the government should approve newspaper stories before readers see them, according to a survey being released today.

"The survey of 112,003 students finds that 36% believe newspapers should get 'government approval' of stories before publishing; 51% say they should be able to publish freely; 13% have no opinion.

"Asked whether the press enjoys 'too much freedom,' not enough or about the right amount, 32% say 'too much,' and 37% say it has the right amount. Ten percent say it has too little..."

Source: Yahoo News

Those 36% scare the hell out of me - they are one-third of the future of America...

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But the notion that the religious/conservative brainwashing of the youth is effective - yep - I agree.

Statements like these always give me a good chuckle......

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now why is it that I'm leaving this great country, or at least planning to????

Later! As far as I am concerned, individuals who give up on the US can leave whenever they so choose. I plan on fighting for my rights, including those written in the Bill of Rights and others afforded by the constitution...When someone just gives up and says they want to or plan to leave because they don't like what they see or hear...well, good riddance to bad rubbish...
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That's just freaking scary, and tells me that history teachers are covering the basics of American history.

It also tells me that the liberal/socialist attitude is wearing off on students.

Yes, I know liberals love to tell us how they value freedom of the press, but when you tell a kid that the government should be running things, well, he may not remember that it's only the things you don't like.

Please, this American Fascist Naziism at its finest. How is it that the conservatives can call the media all liberal and then when it comes to the suppression of the press, turn around and call it a, "liberal/socialist attitude" that is propagating this suppresive movement (if true)? Pick a side of the fence and build a house on it.

Yes, I know liberals love to tell us how they value freedom of the press, but when you tell a kid that the government should be running things, well, he may not remember that it's only the things you don't like.
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And then you try to compensate for the reverse assignment of controll and try to make it so the socialists and governemnt are one in the same. Let me help you with some defintions here:

Socialism: A social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercized by the whole community.

Liberal: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

There's also something about being open to new ideas and being tolerant of other's ideas and behavior, but I don't think you want to be bored with that so I'll omit it.

Ok, so how is it that wanting fewer freedoms of the press lead to, "...that the liberal/socialist attitude is wearing off on students?" Hmmmm, it seems that the opposite would be true, right?

Hate to break it ot you, but Communism is what you're referring to, but you want to round it off to be Socialism, which is absolutely not true that they are the same as conservatives will tell you.

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It's interesting you assume this is caused by a liberal bent in the grade schools. I doubt the teachers there are very political, which is likely the real problem. Government wasn't taught at my high school until the 12th grade, for a single semester. And it wasn't very good. Kiddie history, outside of two excellent teachers for AP studies, was pretty negligent too.

In the past 3 years, it's been as it usually has been. Government and right wingers want to control all negative "unAmerican" press, and the left trusts nothing. Just as it was back in the 60s. The history of censorship is far more right leaning, even with the emergence of intolerant left free speachers.

Call the press, oh wait, they're suppresed , I agree with you. This is the obvious truth - the right is the controlling faction and the left are the redistributors of the money of the rich to the poor - I don't see how anyone can logically argue otherwise.

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It's interesting you assume this is caused by a liberal bent in the grade schools.

I was trying to say "socialist and heavy handed government" side, not liberal meaning Democrat.

Both the American "right" and "left" are guilty of advocating socilist policies.

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I doubt the teachers there are very political, which is likely the real problem.

Oh, most teachers I know and that my family work with are plent political when it comes to contract and election time.

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Government wasn't taught at my high school until the 12th grade, for a single semester. And it wasn't very good. Kiddie history, outside of two excellent teachers for AP studies, was pretty negligent too.

...And people wonder why I have issues with public education.

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The history of censorship is far more right leaning, even with the emergence of intolerant left free speachers.

Start a new thread on that and I can easily and powerfully refute your claims.

Start a new thread on that and I can easily and powerfully refute your claims.


You start one and make your claims of the right wing and its love of mass communication and absolute freedom/proliferation of the press.