billvon 2,400 #26 January 5, 2005 >What I was saying is, if the tsunami happend in Cali and 100k > people were killed, how much aid do you think the Thai government, > or indonesia, or Vietnam, or Sri Lanka would send over????? A lot. See below. -------------------------- ASSOCIATED PRESS LONDON, Sept. 14 — As dust settled over the ruins of New York’s World Trade Center and U.S. airspace reopened, offers of help for the victims of America’s worst terrorist attacks poured in from around the globe. Although the United States has not publicly accepted any international assistance, foreign governments, aid agencies and corporations were eager to join the search and rescue effort, and to provide support for survivors and families of the victims. . . . Turkey’s civilian search and rescue group, AKUT, assembled a 12-member team to assist the relief efforts, its chairman Nasuh Mahruki said Thursday. The United States donated millions of dollars to Turkey in 1999, after earthquakes killed at least 18,000 people. AKUT played a key role in efforts to rescue people from collapsed buildings. The Dalai Lama donated $30,000 to the relief effort on behalf of the Tibetan people. The exiled Buddhist leader, who relies heavily on private U.S. support, said in a statement Thursday that the money was a “symbolic gesture of our solidarity with the people of New York City.” EXPERT TEAMS ON STAND-BY In the hours after Tuesday’s attacks, the European Commission - the head office of the European Union - offered help from its civil protection unit. A Belgian team, including burn specialists and experts in victim identification, was flown to Iceland to await instructions from the United States, the commission said in a statement. Teams from France, Sweden, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Finland and the Netherlands also were ready to help. “The European Union’s network of disaster experts is mobilized and ready to provide help to the United States and the victims on the ground, if they need it,” EU Environment Commissioner Margot Wallstroem said. Britain, which fears hundreds of its citizens are buried in the rubble of the World Trade Center, said Friday it was sending a police team to help identify British victims. National branches of the Red Cross and Salvation Army were accepting donations for the relief effort. Germany has offered medical evacuation planes. Other nations, including Norway and Japan, also have expressed a desire to help. In the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat donated blood for U.S. victims joining a global effort to boost blood supplies. Red Cross branches in several countries have opened their supplies. COMPANIES TO DONATE MILLIONS Foreign corporations, particularly from Germany, have emerged as some of the strongest supporters of the relief effort. German-American automaker DaimlerChrysler AG said it would donate $10 million for the children of World Trade Center victims and set up accounts in both countries for individual donations. German insurance giant Allianz AG plans a $1 million relief fund. The company has predicted that it could face claims of up to $637 million in the disaster. Media giant Bertelsmann AG promised $2 million to families of New York firefighters and police officers killed in the attacks. . . . . Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who has had a rocky relationship with Washington, reiterated that OPEC member Venezuela would do “everything possible” to guarantee a supply of oil to the United States. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #27 January 5, 2005 Quote>What I was saying is, if the tsunami happend in Cali and 100k > people were killed, how much aid do you think the Thai government, > or indonesia, or Vietnam, or Sri Lanka would send over????? A lot. See below. Funny, I didn't see any of those countries I named in that article!!!!!! Hmmm can't imagine why. I do remember Idonesians dancing in the street on 9/12/01 though!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #28 January 5, 2005 QuoteIf you are measuring money you should look at it as the percentage of the countries income. If I have a dollar and give you .50 cents and you have a 100.00 and give me one I am giving more in a way. That kind of thing. What if I owe $10,000 on my credit cards and can't meet my monthly rent without borrowing even more and I give you $10. Would I be giving more by all reasonable standards even if I earn more and there are more people in my household? Typically stuff like this is measured as a percentage of GDP but that isn't measured consistently between countries (U.S. actually counts some expenses as GDP like environmental decontamination), or per capita, i.e. divide by population. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #29 January 5, 2005 Also Bill, if you read up farther I specifically eliminated the "Euro's, Aussies, Japaneese and Canadians" from this discussion because I know they would help. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #30 January 5, 2005 Wow I didn’t realize my point was that hard to get. If you are measuring a countries generosity there total income should be a factor also. That’s all.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #31 January 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteFollow the logic, if you go to a McDonalds and buy a hamburger for $1. Does that mean you think Bill Gates should pay $100,000 for another one just like it? Some people think that way......... People like JC. Quoted rather look at the donations as the total dollars donated vs an estimate of what is thought to be needed Why look at all? Give what you can reasonably afford to give to causes that you believe in. Who cares who or how much is being given by others? Jesus did. Rich man and camel, widow's mite, etc. The rich ARE held to a higher standard, and rightly so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #32 January 6, 2005 QuoteWow I didn’t realize my point was that hard to get. If you are measuring a countries generosity there total income should be a factor also. That’s all. It's real easy to get, hence my mention of GDP, I didn't realize you wouldn't see that. But if you're talking about the US the net income is negative. i.e there's no money to give, just borrowed money. Gross Domestic Product is a pretty flawed metric in some countries like the US. In one sense you might consider that gross exports that are far less than GDP might be a countries gross earnings, they're exceeded by imports we have a huge trade deficit to some countries you consider poorer than us. How about revenue receipts vs Federal spending again there's a mass of red ink. My analogy is perfectly reasonable, since you're comparing with similar analogies why don't you read my post and appreciate my counterpoint rather than assuming I don't get your point. I agree that the US should help here, I just think a lot of the arguments around generosity are deeply flawed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #33 January 6, 2005 Quote Jesus did. Rich man and camel, widow's mite, etc. The rich ARE held to a higher standard, and rightly so. Isn't there something in the bible about usury? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #34 January 6, 2005 Quote Funny, I didn't see any of those countries I named in that article!!!!!! Hmmm can't imagine why. I do remember Idonesians dancing in the street on 9/12/01 though!!!! Get over it dude That was the result of propaganda and maybe even a photo op. Who knows why the indoesians were dancing in the the streets on 9/11 do you believe everything you read, hear, and see. Maybe the people who were "dancing" are the same one who believe that the tsunami was the result of a india, zionist, US, nucleur underground conspiracy. R.i.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #35 January 6, 2005 Quote Quote Funny, I didn't see any of those countries I named in that article!!!!!! Hmmm can't imagine why. I do remember Idonesians dancing in the street on 9/12/01 though!!!! Get over it dude That was the result of propaganda and maybe even a photo op. Who knows why the indoesians were dancing in the the streets on 9/11 do you believe everything you read, hear, and see. Maybe the people who were "dancing" are the same one who believe that the tsunami was the result of a india, zionist, US, nucleur underground conspiracy. R.i.P. Maybe they were, but where does that belief come from? Their Mosque? Their Government? And, don't tell me to get over it. I choose not to. I choose not to forget what happened on 9/11, and I choose not to help countries which support these fringe radicals set to destroy americans. Some of us here lost friends and family in NY and Washington on 9/11, and I find rude, disrespectful and typical of many of the people on this forum, telling me to get over it!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #36 January 6, 2005 The mistake you are making is to assume that just because a reporter found a couple of hundred people dancing with joy over 9/11 that somehow the whole of indonesia felt the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #37 January 6, 2005 Quote The US is footing most the bill it would take a US citizen to think that. Australia is sending 800million and germany 600 million. I dont think 350 million is most of the bill, it is not even half of what australia is sending .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #38 January 6, 2005 who cares it has been shown that almost all nations in this world dont pay what they promise to donate.. yup fucking twats is what we are... Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #39 January 6, 2005 Quote who cares it has been shown that almost all nations in this world dont pay what they promise to donate.. Kind of like UN dues?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #40 January 6, 2005 yup... we saw how MOST inkluding DK has runned from their promised donations. its to be sick off.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #41 January 7, 2005 Hi storm 1977 this is a forum on the internet. this isn't like having a concersation in your living room. Don't want to get over it, can't get over I don't have a problem with that. Notice the angelic symbol, ""I find rude, disrespectful and typical of many of the people on this forum, telling me to get over it!!!! "" Well there's a simple solution to that. Your able to stop it anytime you want to. Have a nice day R.i.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #42 January 7, 2005 less posts more jumps..... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #43 January 7, 2005 Quoteless posts more jumps..... DittoR.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
