JohnRich 4 #1 September 28, 2004 In the news: Sakinah Aaron was walking into the bus area at the Wheaton Metro station several weeks ago, talking loudly on her Motorola cell phone. A little too loudly for Officer George Saoutis of the Metro Transit Police. The police officer told Aaron, who is five months pregnant, to lower her voice. She told the officer he had no right to tell her how to speak into her cell phone. Their verbal dispute quickly escalated, and Saoutis grabbed Aaron by the arm and pushed her to the ground. He handcuffed the 23-year-old woman, called for backup and took her to a cell where she was held for three hours before being released to her aunt. She was charged with two misdemeanors: "disorderly manner that disturbed the public peace" and resisting arrest... Source: Washington Post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #2 September 28, 2004 QuoteTheir verbal dispute quickly escalated Could this be more vague? Maybe somewhere in there is the reason for the arrest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #3 September 28, 2004 She was prolly anti gun, and a republican too.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #4 September 28, 2004 > She was prolly anti gun, and a republican too. Agreed. Had she been a democrat, the cop would have been justified in dragging her by her hair into his police car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #5 September 28, 2004 Actually her name makes her sound African American or foreign. Care to re-evaluate? Maybe THAT'S the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #6 September 28, 2004 You know, if you are in a Metro station and talkign loudly enough for a cop to take notice, there's something amiss. According to other reports, she was "cursing loudly" on her cell phone. Then when he approached she tried to break away. My impression? Some chick who is royally pissed off at someone making a scene that is disturbing everyone else, and then starts to throw a fit to someone telling her to calm down, namely a cop. I think the cell phone is a bit player on this one. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #7 September 28, 2004 QuoteShe was prolly anti gun, and a republican too. ??? republicans tend to be more relaxed about gun laws you know. got anything against the right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #8 September 28, 2004 Quote> She was prolly anti gun, and a republican too. Agreed. Had she been a democrat, the cop would have been justified in dragging her by her hair into his police car. haha, good one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #9 September 28, 2004 I was at LAX a week ago and a guy waiting at the gate was having a VERY LOUD conversation on his cell phone with some business associate. I wonder if such people realize how loud they are, and that everyone within 100 feet can hear their side of the conversation. I think it's boorish.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #10 September 28, 2004 Quote> She was prolly anti gun, and a republican too. Agreed. Had she been a democrat, the cop would have been justified in dragging her by her hair into his police car. Only after a smart flogging of her. Actually there is so much missing from this story - like, oh, I dunno - the DIALOGUE! Getting angry with a PO is not grounds for arrest. "Just cuz you say so" is not a reason to lower my voice.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #11 September 28, 2004 Damn, can I make citizen arrests for that? I get really pissy when people are in my exam room and decide to answer their cell phone and talk really really loudly so everyone in the office can hear them. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #12 September 28, 2004 QuoteActually there is so much missing from this story - like, oh, I dunno - the DIALOGUE! BINGO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #13 September 28, 2004 >I was at LAX a week ago and a guy waiting at the gate was having a VERY > LOUD conversation on his cell phone with some business associate. And to think we used to consider people who shouted at the walls crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #14 September 28, 2004 QuoteHad she been a democrat, the cop would have been justified in dragging her by her hair into his police car. So does that mean that all I have to do is tell a cop that I'm a democrat, and they will drag me by the hair into the police car? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #15 September 28, 2004 >and they will drag me by the hair into the police car? You wish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #16 September 28, 2004 Quote I was at LAX a week ago and a guy waiting at the gate was having a VERY LOUD conversation on his cell phone with some business associate. I wonder if such people realize how loud they are, and that everyone within 100 feet can hear their side of the conversation. I think it's boorish. I definately Agree.... I was on a plane at LGA and we were waiting 20 mins for a gate to open... I had to listen to this moron behind me get rejectd about 5 times by this girl on the phone... It was slightly comical, but mostly annoying. He was practically begging her to come visit him in DC. He kept explaining how difficult it was for him to "have these feelings for her" and not have them shared equally. PUT THE F***ING PHONE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #17 September 28, 2004 And this from MSNBC: QuoteDeputy Chief Timothy Gronau said Monday that Officer George Saoutis followed police procedure after Aaron refused to stop cursing loudly during a cell phone conversation and became abusive and uncooperative. Aaron said the officer approached her as she walked to catch a bus, telling her to keep her voice down. She twice tried to break away, but he caught her arm, then placed her face down, handcuffed her, and charged her with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. Doesn't really sound like the cell phone had much to do with it... Should pregnant women be automatically excused for disorderly conduct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #18 September 28, 2004 QuoteQuoteActually there is so much missing from this story - like, oh, I dunno - the DIALOGUE! BINGO! " Deputy Chief Timothy Gronau said Monday that Officer George Saoutis followed police procedure after Aaron refused to stop cursing loudly during a cell phone conversation and became abusive and uncooperative." http://www.woai.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=5ADA77BC-5994-4326-9786-EFD2D73B333C Not for nothing but if she was cursing loudly in a public place, the cops have the right to ask her to stop, and if she refuses, arrest her for disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct.... Seems like she refused arrest as well. Too bad for her!!! Maybe she'll learn, but I doubt it!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #19 September 28, 2004 This just comes down to manners. Theres a time and a place for everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #20 September 28, 2004 Should they be???? NO THe cop doesn't know she is 5mo pregnant, and she put herself in this situation, not the cops. People need to take responsibility for their own actions..... I have a pool running here at work to guess how much she'll sue for. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #21 September 28, 2004 QuoteActually her name makes her sound African American or foreign. Care to re-evaluate? Maybe THAT'S the issue. A photo of the woman in the story shows that she is African-American. It does not indicate the race of the policeman. Whether that was a factor, we don't know. The officer had the right to ask her to quiet down her phone cursing. If she had responded by saying: "Yes, officer, you're correct, I'm sorry," then nothing more would have come of it. It was her beligerent response which caused the matter to escalate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #22 September 28, 2004 QuoteThe officer had the right to ask her to quiet down her phone cursing. If she had responded by saying: "Yes, officer, you're correct, I'm sorry," then nothing more would have come of it. It was her beligerent response which caused the matter to escalate. Ok, I guess I misunderstood why you were posting this. I thought you were "outraged" or something. Typically that's what these kinds of posts indicate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #23 September 28, 2004 QuoteActually her name makes her sound African American or foreign. Care to re-evaluate? Maybe THAT'S the issue. It probably is an issue because you are making it one!!!!! Why The F*** does race have to be an issue???? Damn .... good speculation there!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #24 September 28, 2004 Calm down . . . I only brought it up because Turtle said she was probably an anti-gun Republican. I was just trying to look at it the same way from another side. Just speculation, not an incitement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #25 September 28, 2004 Also, if you read my first post, you'd see that I implied that there was a lot missing from that story, and that I think it was written in a way to upset people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
