Alston Never Served Under Kerry

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Kerry Lied--AGAIN



Alston Never Served Under Kerry


For those of you who have not been fully following the Swift Vet's story, one of Kerry's traveling entourage (David Alston) claimed he was under Kerry's command on a PBF and found Kerry to be a great leader. He even gave a speech to that effect at the Democratic National Convention, where he said the following:


I know him from a small boat in Vietnam, where we fought and bled together, serving our country. There were six of us aboard PCF-94, a 50-foot, twin-engine craft known as a "Swift Boat." We all came from different walks of life, but all of us-including our skipper, John Kerry-volunteered for combat duty. And combat is what we got.


However, one intrepid blogger now has proven that to be a lie, Alston never served under Kerry because Alston was wounded and out of action before Kerry took command of Alston's boat. Here is the final bit of proof (published early this morning), I suggest you go to Captain's Quarters to find all the previous analysis leading up to this astonishing coup de gras (pass the word):




Alston Never Served Under Kerry

Thanks to reader Lori in Texas, I think we've just about pieced the record together on David Alston and his supposed service under John Kerry's command. Lori points out a sympathetic article on Dale Sandusky, one of the few Swift boat veterans supporting Kerry and one that served on his boat, specifically gives the timing on Kerry's command of PCF-94:


In January 1969, Sandusky's boat, PCF-94, came under attack during one such ambush. Lt. Ted Peck, the officer in charge, and another crewman were seriously wounded. Sandusky had to take command. The boat was sinking and on fire, but Sandusky steered it back to safety. They counted 155 bullet holes in the boat and found a live enemy rocket in the main cabin. It had come to rest in a sack of potatoes.
For his actions, Sandusky would receive the Bronze Star.
With their officer headed home, the crew of PCF-94 needed a leader. And Lt. j.g. John Kerry, whose crew on PCF-44 had rotated back home, needed men to lead.
"I was sure glad he came along," Sandusky said, "because to be honest, I didn't want to take command."
From Jan. 30 to March 13, 1969, Kerry and the crew of the PCF-94 would conduct 18 missions in the Mekong Delta river system. In that time, Kerry would earn a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and add two Purple Hearts to the one he received earlier.


Bingo! Yachtzee! Alston received his serious wounds in that same exact battle that took Peck out of service. On January 29th, Alston was medevaced out to a hospital with head wounds and no records indicate that he ever returned to the unit. Kerry took command of PCF-94 the next day. Alston never served a day under Kerry's command. In fact, Kerry received a replacement, Fred Short, on 28 February as a replacement for Alston.





Now what does that tell us about Kerry and his Viet Nam narrative?
1. He and Alston conspired to deceive people about Alston's service under Kerry. That conspiracy was intended to give John Kerry cover against exactly the kind of campaign he faces from the other Swiftvets.
2. The "end of January" language on Kerry's website was intentionally vague in order to fuzzy up the timeline and keep Alston's true status a secret. Obviously, Sandusky remembers the dates well enough, and Kerry could easily have gotten them from him if he wanted to be as specific as his other dates on the timeline.
3. The DNC either were saps or actively participated in the conspiracy in order to assist Kerry in his Viet Nam mythology. Otherwise, why would they have allowed David Alston to speak at the convention about his experiences serving with John Kerry on the boat?
4. Kerry's band of brothers have some complicity in this cover-up as well. Those who served on PCF-94 surely remember that Alston never served under Kerry; Sandusky specifically recalls Peck being wounded and removed from command, but he wouldn't remember that Alston left at the same time?
5. One could argue that they served on the same boat, of course, and I look forward to that Clintonian parsing used in Kerry's defense. After holding Alston up as an expert on his leadership, he'll be hard pressed to explain how that expertise came to Alston from a hospital bed miles away from Kerry and his old PCF.
If this gets out to the mainstream media, this story kills Kerry's campaign. This isn't just a guy embellishing his war record -- this is a deliberate and longstanding attempt to mislead and defraud people by creating his own witnesses after the fact. That he could have done such a clumsy job should disqualify him for higher office on that basis alone.

[sundevil777 94]

It is all going to fall in around him.

I will be surprised if the dems don't try to get a replacement.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[kallend 1,648]

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It is all going to fall in around him.

I will be surprised if the dems don't try to get a replacement.

Maybe everyone lied who was involved in Vietnam. Thurlow, Kerry, Nixon, Johnson, Macnamara, Alston...

And those who dodged going: Bush, Clinton, Cheney, Ashcroft.

Proven Liars all.

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[kallend 1,648]

Trouble is, you've posted so much stuff over the past 18 months that turned out to be false, how can anyone believe that you've got it right this time.

The story has been around for two weeks now, yet no reputable media outlet has picked it up.

When it shows up on FOX and CNN I'll believe it.

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[bodypilot90 0]

trouble is how many stories can one person come up with? If you believe his first "story" about what went on, kallend do you think he should be put up on charges for war crimes? At least Clinton was smart and stuck with "I did not have sex with that woman"


He was the one who used most of his speech at the dnc about his war "service." He will not even come clean now with his fellow swift vets. Trying legal attacks instead of fighting with the "truth." To me this seems like the plan of somebody who does not care about the truth just winning. Perhaps his plan all along.

[TypicalFish 0]

If this was true, wouldn't the so-called "Swift Boat Vets For Truth" be all over this? It's amazing what can be inferred from an article that doesn't even mention Alston's name.

I know I believe everything I read in a blog.

As above, when it shows up on CNN or FOX I'll listen.

"I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

[billvon 2,434]

>It is all going to fall in around him.

Oh, I think it will end up helping him. Even now, there are gaping holes evident in the stories of the vet-smearers; many of them once complimented Kerry both in official military records and during the 1990's, long after they were out of the service. Their links to GOP funding are becoming more apparent, and the people who actually served on Kerry's boat are starting to speak up on what really happened in Viet Nam.

The smear thing worked on McCain years ago; I don't think it's going to work a second time, and I think people are getting disgusted with a group of GOP campaigners willing to lie and smear a vet to make some political hay. Plenty of people spit on Viet Nam vets when they returned home decades ago; I think people today will not look kindly on a repeat of that.

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Plenty of people spit on Viet Nam vets when they returned home decades ago; I think people today will not look kindly on a repeat of that.

But these self-same people won't be bothered by the way Kerry verbally spit on every soldier, sailor, and marine in Vietnam?


Either way, the man has an appalling voting record (when he bothers to show up at all) and I REALLY wish someone with the money for TV ads would focus on THAT.

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Oh, I think it will end up helping him. Even now, there are gaping holes evident in the stories of the vet-smearers;

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,1,1611037.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Feb. 28, 1969: ON THE DONG CUNG RIVER

Anti-Kerry vets not there that day

By William B. Rood
Chicago Tribune
Published August 21, 2004

"There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago—three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969.

One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other.

For years, no one asked about those events. But now they are the focus of skirmishing in a presidential election with a group of swift boat veterans and others contending that Kerry didn't deserve the Silver Star for what he did on that day, or the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts he was awarded for other actions.

Many of us wanted to put it all behind us—the rivers, the ambushes, the killing. Ever since that time, I have refused all requests for interviews about Kerry's service—even those from reporters at the Chicago Tribune, where I work.

But Kerry's critics, armed with stories I know to be untrue, have charged that the accounts of what happened were overblown. The critics have taken pains to say they're not trying to cast doubts on the merit of what others did, but their version of events has splashed doubt on all of us. It's gotten harder and harder for those of us who were there to listen to accounts we know to be untrue, especially when they come from people who were not there...."

I'm not sure of the propriety of reproducing the entire article here (I know it's often done).

I found the remainder of the article exceptionally interesting and a credible refutation of the John O'neill's allegations regarding the Silver Star incident.

The Trib online requires free registration/subscription - perhaps someone else will post rest of article if they deem it suitable.

Regarding the treatment of veterans today-IMHO we should put our political divisions aside when it comes to that. This country can not afford to ever again deprive it's service men and women of our well deserved appreciation as happened in the wake of Viet Nam. I think most of us understand that but don't necessarily know how to embrace it with our actions. I'd like to see a thread once in a while on ways we in US can support our service folks.

Personally, I guess it's time to donate to USO online again & finally look into volunteering a bit of time each month to help service member's families -

[kallend 1,648]

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Oh, I think it will end up helping him. Even now, there are gaping holes evident in the stories of the vet-smearers;

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,1,1611037.story?coll=chi-news-hed

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Before the "liberal media" slurs begin, I'll just point out that the Chicago Tribune endorsed GWB in the 2000 election.

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But these self-same people won't be bothered by the way Kerry verbally spit on every soldier, sailor, and marine in Vietnam?


Either way, the man has an appalling voting record (when he bothers to show up at all) and I REALLY wish someone with the money for TV ads would focus on THAT.

I do not see how any voter can believe Kerry is strong on our military.

[Kennedy 0]

I meant his record on just aobut EVERYTHING.

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I meant his record on just aobut EVERYTHING.

true, the man never saw a tax he didn't like

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Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969.

Why do the officer's accounts matter more than others?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Either way, the man has an appalling voting record (when he bothers to show up at all) and I REALLY wish someone with the money for TV ads would focus on THAT.

Here in Colorado, the Bush campaign is spending a lot of money on ads that point out how Kerry's horrible voting record totally contradicts the promises he's making today.

If elected, Kerry will be the first president to have been proved a pathological liar before he's even sworn in, that I know of.

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Perhaps the one where he wanted to roll back tax cuts for the people making over 4oo'ooo a year to pay for the war in Iraq?

If elected, Kerry will be the first president to have been proved a pathological liar before he's even sworn in, that I know of.

Maybe you could be a coach of pathological liars, your the only one making lies.

blues

jerry

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If elected, Kerry will be the first president to have been proved a pathological liar before he's even sworn in, that I know of.

How is that? You kind of lost me...

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If elected, Kerry will be the first president to have been proved a pathological liar before he's even sworn in, that I know of.

How is that? You kind of lost me...

1. Kerry, by retracting the "seared into his mind" and oft told "Christmas in Cambodia '68" story, has basically admitted he's a liar. See below to form your own opinion on whether or not it is "pathological".

2. He hasn't been sworn in yet, if it's ever to happen.

1 + 2 = the basis for my previous post.

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Pathological Liar:
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[sundevil777 94]

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Pathological Liar:
Function: noun
: an individual who habitually tells lies so exaggerated or bizarre that they are suggestive of mental disorder

You got it all wrong.

He lies to achieve his ambition, not because of mental disorder.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[billvon 2,434]

>Maybe you could be a coach of pathological liars, your the only one
>making lies.

Read the forum rules before posting stuff like this.

[kallend 1,648]

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If elected, Kerry will be the first president to have been proved a pathological liar before he's even sworn in, that I know of.

How is that? You kind of lost me...

1. Kerry, by retracting the "seared into his mind" and oft told "Christmas in Cambodia '68" story, has basically admitted he's a liar. See below to form your own opinion on whether or not it is "pathological".

2. He hasn't been sworn in yet, if it's ever to happen.

1 + 2 = the basis for my previous post.

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Pathological Liar:
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: an individual who habitually tells lies so exaggerated or bizarre that they are suggestive of mental disorder
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While we're all still waiting for GWB to admit his lies and mistakes.

How about getting back to the lies being told by the Vietnam Vets. for "Truth"?

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[sundevil777 94]

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How about getting back to the lies being told by the Vietnam Vets. for "Truth"?

Yes, they were lying when they defended him in '96. They admit that.

It was so great to see so much of the Sunday morning news shows devoted to this subject. Let it all come out, you are right to pursue this further, we should demand a complete accounting from Kerry and the others, not just be told that everything we need to know is from where the funding comes.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[skydyvr 0]

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How about getting back to the lies being told by the Vietnam Vets. for "Truth"?

If some of those vets have told lies about Kerry, I hope their lies are exposed. But I could care less about them -- they aren't running for president.

I do care about the guy who IS running, and so far he has been caught in at least one big lie, and has the worst senate voting record you could dream up.

The ONLY positive trait Kerry has is that he's "not Bush", and you democrats know it.

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[PhillyKev 0]

I still can't believe the major attack coming from a bunch of guys who pulled strings and used familial connections to avoid Vietnam is about the details of the service of Kerry who volunteered.

A - who cares. Everyone tried to get out of Vietnam and avoid the draft. Well, except Kerry. But I don't hold that against them.

B - who cares, it was over 30 years ago.

and C - who cares.

[kallend 1,648]

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How about getting back to the lies being told by the Vietnam Vets. for "Truth"?

If some of those vets have told lies about Kerry, I hope their lies are exposed. But I could care less about them -- they aren't running for president.

I do care about the guy who IS running, and so far he has been caught in at least one big lie, and has the worst senate voting record you could dream up.

The ONLY positive trait Kerry has is that he's "not Bush", and you democrats know it.

You state that as if it's a negative.

He is not Bush, Edwards is not Cheney, and that is as positive as it gets.

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