airann 1 #26 September 23, 2001 I have 2 digital video cameras, one for each personality.....or should I put both on one helmet? Nah, I will have the top mount Sony TRV 11, then the side mount PC7, .....hey anybody got a D Box or a bracket?Be double bad ass? Skydive~Friends~HappinessAirAnnwww.AirAnn.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RemiAndKaren 0 #27 September 23, 2001 Chuck saidThe best dropzones, like mine, are places where everyone drinks and raises hell together, then passes out all over the DZ, regardless of their prefered flying style .............................GROSS!!!!! can you imagine waking up next to an unbathed freak!!!!!!!Remi(siting in a Internet cafe in Paris getting real freaking frustrated with their stupid AZERY keybords::::)RemiMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #28 September 23, 2001 QuoteGROSS!!!!! can you imagine waking up next to an unbathed freak!!!!!!!Poor Karen...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #29 September 23, 2001 why yes I am....but now that I have my rig...it will be much easier for us to get that....I might need some freeflying instruction as all I do is more of free tumbling!!!!MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fruce 0 #30 September 24, 2001 are you belly flyers scared of the higher speed or just scared you can't do heads down?___________________________________________________ Dude, I think I figured out your problem. It's "HEAD DOWN", not "HEADS DOWN" .......... You are probably scaring everyone you ask into thinking that you want to jump with them and have both of your "HEADS" out at the same time! Just trying to help a brother out........ he,he,he frucehttp://www.fruce.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #31 September 24, 2001 *** but now that I have my rig...it will be much easier for us to get that....I might need some freeflying instruction as all I do is more of free tumbling!!!! ***Cool.....we can do that.. I love teaching(or trying to) freeflying.. I'm actually planning on doing the USPA Coach course here pretty soon(as soon as I can get enough people together to schedule one), and then eventually do freefly coaching.. I love this shit! Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #32 September 24, 2001 Quotesiting in a Internet cafe in Paris getting real freaking frustrated with their stupid AZERY keybords::::)i know your pain!!! try typing on a german keyboard sometime..... did it once and got half way through my letter relized that half the words were all f^cked up and had to retype it....."up my noooossseee"- wingnut, at first euro dz.com boogie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kelly 0 #33 September 24, 2001 fruce,thats nice. make fun of the guy for saying heads down... Im sure you jumped with Damo. he makes me laugh every time he says "heads down".. and his logic on it.. "there were more than one person. so its more then one head down.. its heads down" hahahaha :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #34 September 24, 2001 Head down...how nice...is that like those pics of your blow job shots there kell?MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #35 September 24, 2001 I agree with some of the other guys. I believe it is important to have both skills for a couple of reasons. If you can fly well on your belly, it will enhance your freefly skills. It will also get you into a lot of fun belly RW jumps and help you get to know your home dz buddies better perhaps finding out some of them can freefly if they desire. Despite what you choose as your main passion in skydiving, you should be well-rounded to get the most fun out of this sport. I personally do both and work on both almost every weekend. I am lucky enough to have a great predominantly freefly dz about 45 minutes away and a great RW dz another 45 minutes beyond that one. It makes for a great day to go to the RW dz bright and early (they do tend to get up earlier and stop earlier) do a bunch of 4 - 16 ways and then around 2 pick up and go to the freefly dz for some really cool freeflying and a nice sunset load tracking dive. Afterwards, it also happens to have the best nightlife, I drink with my freefly buddies and the few RW guys and instructors there. It is really the best of both worlds and I would feel so limited if I was only in one of them. Open up dude, enjoy the sport completely!PD makes canopies all day long, you only have one life, when in doubt, cut away... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yim666 0 #36 September 24, 2001 yippee! what a great response to just my 2nd post! some positive, some negative, but whatever... most of the responses thought i was just slammin' bellyflyers (which i am guilty of on occasion) but i was just really blowin' steam cuz it's hard to get a freefly load together at my doozoo. the advice about being willing to do horizontal stuff was well taken... i probably alienated a few of the belly boys and girls cuz i was always calling hrw that "faggot RW shit!" but i really was just teasing them. oh well, screw 'em if they can't take a joke. the advice about finding another dz wasn't very good, seeing that i live in west texas and the closest large dz is about 5 1/2 hours away. sure, we road trip on occasion, but there's no way to do it every weekend so sometimes i just gotta suck it up and jump our crappy little cessnas. oh, well. in particular, i WAS NOT slamming the old school rw folks cuz i understand that they are OLD but i was slamming the young bellyflyers at my doozoo who are completely UNWILLING to attempt anything but hrw. many of you who responded said that you do BOTH and feel that one enhances the other. i don't understand why these young, able bodied people simply refuse to learn a new way of flying. remember, hrw itself is fairly young, and the really "old school" skydivers once believed that doing anything other than solo dives was insane! and i do want to learn to fly well horizontally, but i'm more interested in the vertical right now. i just wish i could find more local folks to jump with cuz it's hard to get better if you don't have anyone to try to stay relative with. if it wasn't for hotload, i would be doing all my dives solo or, god forbid, bellyflying.yim"i sit, therefore, i am" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #37 September 24, 2001 no no no, it's not 'head down' or 'heads down' it's 'feet up' - then you don't have to worry about it being plural or not.Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #38 September 25, 2001 Dude, you gotta get out more. Or at least go to a bigger dz and refrain from the "orientation" comments. It may save your life. Don't limit yourself... RW and CRW are great as well. Read the post by SkyMonkeyOne. He put it in perspective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #39 September 25, 2001 Check out the WAG 2001 - you will see that the way forward is to mix the RW and FF - this is the future !! My DZ - well Flat Bitches and FFliers we all mix together - one world one tribe - its also nice to mix the dives up - having my mates get leaded up with me in a very baggy suit and have flat fliers and FFliers docking together - Sweet!People get what they want outta their discipline - but come on there should not be a segregation - we are all in it for the love of Flying - no matter how this is achieved. Learn from each other and rip it up together - this makes the sport great - and anyway there are more female RW fliers then FFliers so theres where all the punani is at!!!BSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yim666 0 #40 September 25, 2001 i'm totally with you on the hybrid dives idea - one of the most memorable dives i've ever done was at a big dz with my buds, we threw out a 3way round and took turns taking chest straps of the other 2 and kicking into a stand below them. another great one was diving out after a guy who does rw but falls like a ton of bricks and doing a heads down/stand/sitfly combo to catch him. i just wish i could convince the other rw folks into trying hybrids. they just look at me like i'm crazy. i've even been on a load with 3 belly flyers (our cessna only holds four yumpers) and when i told 'em i was gonna work on my sit, the most experienced guy said "well, just stay away from us!" like i was going to pose some unspoken danger! ever the rebel, i disobeyed him, threw out a sit behind them, slid underneath their round, and back flew, watching them flail around, making only 2 points. hehe! on the ground they all copped an attitude towards me for sliding beneath them! i mean, c'mon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #41 September 25, 2001 Quoteslid underneath their round, and back flew, watching them flail around, making only 2 points. hehe! on the ground they all copped an attitude towards me for sliding beneath them! i mean, c'mon!Which might explain why they don't want to jump with you. You being beneath the formation is probably the reason they were flailing around - you were stealing their air. Between the three of them, they spent $45+ on that skydive and you flying underneath them screwed it up. No wonder they were pissed off at you. Besides the fact that you stole their air, did you consider that you being underneath them was not in their dive plan and therefore totally unexpected? If I didn't know that someone is going to be underneath a formation that I was in and they went there, I'd be very pissed off. What if you'd had a premature container opening - where would you have gone? Right through the formation. What if you'd corked - where would you have gone? Right through the formation. pull and flare,lisa---Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yim666 0 #42 September 26, 2001 your handle is appropriate - know the facts before you start spewing hate, skybytch! i didn't "steal their air" nor did i pose a corking hazard since we had about a 1,000 feet of vertical separation when i slid beneath them. apparantly you don't know much about corking if you think a sitflyer is going to cork through an rw formation! belly is the SLOWEST form of flying and there's NO WAY i could cork up into them even if i was right beneath them. and none of them even knew that i was beneath them until they broke off because they were too busy doing their hrw flail. maybe you should take your prozac before logging on and posting! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #43 September 26, 2001 Corking into RW fliers from sit - mmmmmmm..... interesting concept............ i did not know FFliers cork no matter what dicipline they are doing - wow man you musta slowed down to 60mph................ did you have a bird man suit on aswell??????? hahahBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yim666 0 #44 September 26, 2001 exactly, my brother! apparantly the laws of physics are suspended and operate differently at skybytch's doozoo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #45 September 26, 2001 Quoteexactly, my brother! apparantly the laws of physics are suspended and operate differently at skybytch's doozoo!You never said in your original post that you were 1,000 feet below them. You could have easily "corked" into them if you were closer... you don't know what your fallrate is compared tho theirs, and had you been closer, they could have fallen into your burble. Being 1,000ft below them probably even worried them more, not knowing at what altitude you were going to pull. Most people doing RW don't want to have to keep looking down towards the end of a skydive to determine if some idiot has deployed at their breakoff altitude.Lose the atitude, and listen to voices of experience (like skybytch) and maybe you'll find people are more willing to jump with you.Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yim666 0 #46 September 26, 2001 dude, i would have to be olav to be good enough to throw out a sit behind a round, track to them and get right beneath them. if i could only fly as well as skybytch gave me credit for... and no matter what you SAY there is no way a 3way round could possibly be falling as fast as a sitflyer, even in a double winged, slow as hell sit suit (which i neither have nor desire!). as far as the burble stuff, i would be having to throw out one massive tube of air to vacuum a 3 way round! and if it happened, they should be grateful for the increase of speeeeeed i would bestow upon them! there's really no "attitude" here towards bellyflyers, just a general intolerance of stupidity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #47 September 26, 2001 Although I have to admit - you said try your sit out - meaning you are not competent at it - never try FFly around other people - THAT IS DANGEROUS! - maybe they had a pop at you coz you aint that experienced to FreeFly around a flat dive - be safe - know your limitations and listen and learn from everyone - Flat bitch, freak, Crewer, whatever - we can all learn from each other - one world one tribe!BSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma 0 #48 September 26, 2001 Does the word 'TROLL' mean anything to you?Check your teeth, seems to me most of you have been chewing on it for the duration of this thread.(McHale, you could cork into F'awesome, you know, cos we iz such FAT BEEETCHES heheheh) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #49 September 26, 2001 Most of what you said here was wrong: It's not that hard to track over to and under a group that just left. It is very possible for a sit-flyer to stay up with a 3-way round, with a standard sit suit or no sit suit at all (all depends on who's involved) and has been done before. You put out a good sized wake of air, even if you just suck one down, chances are he's bringing his friends with him.Quotejust a general intolerance of stupidity.ahWhy don't we just chaulk this one up to inexperience then, and drop it? Especially since you now say it never happened(Is there something about the south that makes people tell stories?) Then, I saw these two guys swoopin across the pond, and I was like 'weeeeeee!!!!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3fLiEr 0 #50 September 26, 2001 In response to: Poster: EmmaSubject: Re: being a freak flyer at a RW dz Does the word 'TROLL' mean anything to you?Yep - £5 a go Kings CrossCheck your teeth, seems to me most of you have been chewing on it for the duration of this thread.You know I am new to this wierd internet world shit - gimme a chance - its a strange place to be - all words no faces! (McHale, you could cork into F'awesome, you know, cos we iz such FAT BEEETCHES heheheh) - NOW that DOES give me a fatty!!!!....BSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites