"Bush lacks will to find bin Laden" -- Clark

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/17/elec04.prez.clark.bush/index.html

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"If I'd been president, I would have had Osama bin Laden by this time," Clark said at a news conference in Concord, New Hampshire, where he was campaigning for votes in the nation's first primary, January 27.

"I would have followed through on the original sentiment that the president gave us -- Osama bin Laden, dead or alive.

"Instead, he executed a bait-and-switch. He took the priority off Osama bin Laden. He shifted the spotlight onto Saddam Hussein."

Well, he does sort of have a point.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[turtlespeed 212]

That's a pretty big "IF" Paul.

If Clark was pres. we would all be speaking arabic by now.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[kai2k1 0]

If Clark was president? I shudder at the thought.

There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan

[Kramer 0]

Quade, I could see how one might percieve that Bush "pulled the bait and switch" with Osama, but in my opinion, that is just because of the media attention each situation gets.

We have not backed off at all in Afghanistan on our hunt for Osama since the Saddam-issue arose. It's just that the media has been covering the Saddam issue a lot more, so it seems like Bush pulled the old "bait and switch".

Either way...I hope Clark can somehow pull off an upset over Dean. I like him (even though these comments by him seem like a politician's lie).

-Kramer

The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!

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"If I'd been president, I would have had Osama bin Laden by this time," Clark said

And he has a plan to find a man who's been hiding from vastly superior militaries for the last 30-40 years?

Bait-and-switch? Maybe.
He'd have him by now? Doubtful.

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[turtlespeed 212]

Lie - Ber - Man

If Bush had even the most remote chance of losing, it would have to be Liebbie that I would want in there.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[freeflir29 0]

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If Clark was pres. we would all be speaking arabic by now.

Or Serbian........ He's a mouth peice clown!!!!!!!!

[Deuce 1]

There's a historical comparison between being attacked by Japan, but putting that fight off until we defeated the Axis. Get Saddam first, cause he's has more resources to promote terrorism, then get the O-man.

-Why in God's name am I posting in a political thread?

Oh, crap. Yes I am aware that Japan was in the Axis. I was referring to the European folks.

[turtlespeed 212]

As long as it's not Clintonese, we are a better people for it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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He'd have him by now? Doubtful.

Doubltful? Why?

GWB almost had OBL before he redirected efforts into Iraq. At least he had seemed to be closing in on him. At least, that's what The White House was telling us back in April, 2002.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Michele 1]

Didn't Clark get an endorsement from Madonna today? Seems I heard that on the news. Something about getting introduced to her by Michael Moore...Um, yeah. O.K., then. (I have not confirmed that yet, but still...)

Back to topic.

I agree with Deucy's post and position.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[ltdiver 3]

So, why does it matter which bastard we get first?

Seems that the most threatening one (at that time) was pursued and now has a wonderful clean bunkhouse in our custody. We can turn our sights back on the other hiding 'madster-mind' now...

ltdiver

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[freeflir29 0]

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We can turn our sights back on the other hiding 'madster-mind' now...

I'm glad about that!!! I think he is far more dangerous than Saddam...at least Symbolically.

[FliegendeWolf 0]

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Seems that the most threatening one (at that time)

You honestly think that Saddam was more threatening than Osama bin Laden? I'm afraid I can't agree with you. Bin Laden succesfully attacked America on our soil killing 3000 innocent Americans. How is Saddam a bigger threat than that?

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[freeflir29 0]

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How is Saddam a bigger threat than that?

I wouldn't doubt for a second that he was funneling money to terrorists. Seems like a smart thing for him to do. Since he couldn't fight the US directly. Not that all terrorist groups liked him....seeing as his security people killed one of the best known terrorists of all time when he came to Iraq. They certainly did the world a favor there!

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I think he is far more dangerous than Saddam...

No doubt, he is definately the highest threat.

I'm also worried about Hezbollah. They have a world wide reach, and as their secretary-general recently proclaimed, "Death to america is, and will stay our slogan". With plenty of money and perceived legitimacy in Damascus, Tehran, and Beirut, they are a real menace.

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[freeflir29 0]

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I'm also worried about Hezbollah.

Well....at least they tend to contain their anger towards Israel. Keeps it regional anyway.

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Didn't Clark get an endorsement from Madonna today?

Actually, she has been involved with the Clark campaign for a little while. http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3475802&p1=0

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[ltdiver 3]

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I wouldn't doubt for a second that he was funneling money to terrorists.

Absolutely.

And with any person trying to commit terrorist acts, when you put them in the headlights of the world they tend to chill for awhile. OBL was (and is) in the forefront of the world's sites, thus rendering him a bit more cautious in his visible undertakings.

Saddam, however, was doing things more discretely (to the world), thus wasn't under the world's thumb and focus (at that time). He wielded his power (at home) with disregard as to who he hurt, though.

Turning the spotlight on Saddam took nerve and resolve. Especially when it wasn't popular with the rest of the planet. It'll be very interesting to find out what was -really- in the background of this man as the interrogation continues.

Everyone -knew- OBL was evil. Now it's time to prove that Saddam not only turned his country into a blood-field and terror filled country but also supported known terrorists that cover more area than we even can imagine.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

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So, why does it matter which bastard we get first?

Because in a fire fight it makes a heck of a lot more sense to shoot at the guy that's shooting at you rather than the guy handing him bullets.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[freeflir29 0]

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Because in a fire fight it makes a heck of a lot more sense to shoot at the guy that's shooting at you rather than the guy handing him bullets.

Ahhh.....but in the larger context it often makes since to execute a strategic move to save you from fighting so many "fire fights." Don't make me bust out the Sun Tzu-Fu on you.

[ltdiver 3]

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So, why does it matter which bastard we get first?

Because in a fire fight it makes a heck of a lot more sense to shoot at the guy that's shooting at you rather than the guy handing him bullets.

Unless the bullet-handler is supplying more than one source.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[quade 3]

You're talking the differences between strategy and tactics.

Strategy calls for removing the supply lines.
Tactics require you remove the guy that is immediately attacking you.

Obviously you eventually need to do both. Which is the priority depends on how removed you happen to be from the guy that is currently being shot at.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[freeflir29 0]

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Which is the priority depends on how removed you happen to be from the guy that is currently being shot at.

True....but there is also the "Target of opportunity."

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I wouldn't doubt for a second that he was funneling money to terrorists. ...

Well if that is the criteria for invading a country lets mount up and move on Saudi Arabia! Hey, they have oil too!

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