riggerrob 558 #26 June 26, 2008 Step sideways off the airplane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #27 June 26, 2008 Quote>Would be interesting to know of any tail strikes from leveled off planes on jump run. Raoul Gravell, around 2001/2002 in Cross Keys. Hit a King Air tail with his camera helmet IIRC when exiting on jump run. I thought it was a Caravan. At least, I was in a Caravan at X-Keys (Roger Ponce event, right rear trail) when Raoul hit its tail. Edited: Here is the link to the incident: www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=568466#568466... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #28 June 26, 2008 Yep, was a Caravan, my bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #29 June 26, 2008 I know a few skydivers who have taken some paint off the tail with their head. Quite a few were experienced skydivers who jumped up. It always seems like it is a King Air. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #30 June 26, 2008 QuoteI disagree that students are being taught to jump up out of an Otter. At my dropzone they are being taught to jump sideways from inside the door and then arch, which when practiced on the ground, makes your head go up because there's ground in the way. On poised exits they are being taught to just let go and arch into the wind. I really doubt that there are people out there teaching students to put any upward thrust into their exits. I will admit, however, that I don't spend any time talking about tail strikes because it really isn't a concern in an Otter. I had the initial training for otter exits. If you're kneeling in the door, oriented forward towards the props, and need to step up and out (and into the prop blast), it's hard to avoid an up component, esp for us taller folks. The King Air, with the curved fuselage, allowed me to stand a bit more upright, making it more of a sidestep for a forward viewing poised exit. One other note - the count wasn't up - down - arch, but rather out - in - arch, which at least tries to suggest sideways, rather than up. It's just the door is so short. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #31 June 27, 2008 First out the door in a no-show 10-way speed exit tends to go out, forward, and up too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #32 June 27, 2008 Only if they do a floater track exit as pictured. That isn't really a "tends to". That 100% intentional.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #33 June 28, 2008 QuoteOnly if they do a floater track exit as pictured. That isn't really a "tends to". That 100% intentional. OK, but since not every team does it that way, I submit "tends to" is accurate in the sense of the event overall. That particular picture (of me) was certainly a deliberate track exit from behind the diagonal line.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 55 #34 June 28, 2008 Food for thought (attached) . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #35 June 28, 2008 Quote Quote Only if they do a floater track exit as pictured. That isn't really a "tends to". That 100% intentional. OK, but since not every team does it that way, I submit "tends to" is accurate in the sense of the event overall. That particular picture (of me) was certainly a deliberate track exit from behind the diagonal line. By the way, does #3 have a little "contact" with that left hand? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #36 June 28, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Only if they do a floater track exit as pictured. That isn't really a "tends to". That 100% intentional. OK, but since not every team does it that way, I submit "tends to" is accurate in the sense of the event overall. That particular picture (of me) was certainly a deliberate track exit from behind the diagonal line. By the way, does #3 have a little "contact" with that left hand? Not a violation of current USPA 10-way speed rules... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #37 June 28, 2008 Quote Food for thought (attached) . It was an Otter with a high tail, not a King Air or Caravan. Are there any incidents where a jumper without a wingsuit has hit the tail of an Otter from a level jump run?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voltage 0 #38 June 29, 2008 As a videot wannabee... How about launching from the camera step? I suppose its possible to hit the tail that way even on an Otter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #39 June 29, 2008 QuoteAs a videot wannabee... How about launching from the camera step? I suppose its possible to hit the tail that way even on an Otter. You don't launch from the camera step you drop down. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #40 June 30, 2008 QuoteAs a videot wannabee... How about launching from the camera step? I suppose its possible to hit the tail that way even on an Otter. During a weather hold yesterday I took a good look at a King Air and an Otter. Measurements below are approx. and obviously depend on the exact location of the camera step: King Air (low tail version): stab is 10 feet behind step, at roughly waist level if you're standing on the step. Otter: stab is 12 feet behind the step, slightly above head level if standing on the step. I think maybe Michael Jordan could hit the Otter tail from level flight, but I don't think mere mortals (wearing a rig) would manage it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
