Re: [flyana3] MILF BOOGIE

[turtlespeed 212]

So if I called you a SisterFucker - would that mean that you were doing a nun - or that you were from Arkansas?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[SkiD_PL8 0]

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[BillyVance 34]

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So if I called you a SisterFucker - would that mean that you were doing a nun - or that you were from Arkansas?

If someone was a sisterfucker, brotherfucker, motherfucker, daddyfucker, nephewfucker, neicefucker, etc. need I go on? chances are they'd be from West Virginia...

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[JeffSkydiver 0]

Wrong way,

I see your point.

Do you see mine? Use this hypothetical:

The non-skydiving public is aware that someone can go to a DZ and do a tandem. Maybe they are at a nearby hotel, there's a brochure, whatever.

Nowhere in the brochure or otherwise are they made aware that many, many skydivers believe a DZ is an adult playground, etc etc as has been described in this thread.

They show up - then entire family. They are there at the "invitation" of the DZO who advertised for the public to come. With me so far?

They are there. Without any warning they find themselves surrounded in F bombs.
They do not know it, but underlying the use of the profanity is the many, many skydivers' opinion that "you are on my turf now, a DZ, if you don't like the language, get the F out and take your F'n kids with you?" This is no place for families or kids. How would they know that????

As far as parenting my own kids, I don't have a problem. I don't take them to places I know are inappropriate for them: bars, etc etc.

Even at the DZ, I will usher them away from adults having "spirted" conversations long before I will interupt the skydivers' fun. I'm responsible for my kids and I am good at that.

No one has yet, however, addressed the fact that some parts of the DZ are open to the public - people coming for tandems, for instance who have never been to a DZ. And also my family. In those public places - in those public moments - in the restaurant for example, should the "environment" be any different than in the packing tent or the skydivers only areas?

As far as when the jumping is done and the beers come out - at that point the DZ is "closed." The public is gone - or should be or risk seeing and hearing anything. I agree - end of the day, anything goes.

I'm talking about the customers in the store lined up to sign up for tandems. In line are other skydivers putting money on their account. What about there? No courtesy required?

Just a thought,

jt

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[JeffSkydiver 0]

Acme:

BINGO!

That's my only point.

Spectators and family members in the spectator area and other "public" areas, restaurant etc., ought to be treated with common courtesy.

Anywhere else on the DZ - do what you will!

Thanks,

jt

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[JeffSkydiver 0]

Jay,

I agree with you. I should not be able to tell a club or anyone or anything else I do not own or control how to do things. I'll do like you said, vote with my feet.

Nonetheless, to me - maybe not you - to me the term is offensive. I don't care if they change it or not. Doesn't concern me. But to me, it is offensive.

Thanks for your post,

jt

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[JeffSkydiver 0]

Wrongway,

I really appreciate your thoughtful and considerate posts.

I sense your sensitivity to the issue. I do my best to keep my kids out of places I know have elements that are not good for them. I do not feel that the spectator area and restaurant of a DZ NECESSARILY falls into the category of "not good for kids." If I know in advance that a particular DZ is not "family friendly" I won't go. I'm not crusading to change the world or DZ's. If the DZ is open to the public - in the public places of the DZ, and as long I do not know otherwise, I expect my family will be treated with common courtesy. That's not extremely unreasonable.

Thanks so much,

jt

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[JeffSkydiver 0]

Goatboy,

You and I agree 100%.

Well put.

jt

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[JeffSkydiver 0]

I am happy that some dzo's have published a warning so to speak to the public so they know they are coming at their own risk - or a warning to skydivers with families to know what you are in for at THAT dz:

"Socially, a drop zone is like a bar where people jump instead of drink. We sometimes use general language filled with references to concepts and events that children might not be ready for. We talk about anything frankly without censorship. Without a parent immediately present to explain, a kid is in danger of misunderstanding the context or the content."

Without that warning, however, how is the public supposed to know what to expect and know not to bring kids - even to the spectator areas? They wouldn't know. In that case, should we not be respectful? And if they wonder into areas where only skydivers should be, should they not be respectful too and realize it's none of their business what language the skydivers are using?

I think so,

I think all has been said that I can say. Call me a dinosaur, old fashioned, old fogie, I plead guilty.

To all of you, if we should ever meet, I will treat you with the utmost respect, as I try to do with everyone. I hope to see you in the sky.

How about a jump where I'm the base and everyone flies in and flips me off, swears at me etc., that would be a riotessly funny cap on this whole thing.

And after I send the kids home, I'll buy the beer and join in on the "No Sh_ _" stories.

Thanks for all your posts,

jt

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[tfelber 0]

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Please leave both your dogs and kids at home.

Stop telling me what I should do, listen to, or think.

Whatever, I'll bring my kid to the DZ if I want!!! (Just FN with you JP)

But I really will bring my kid if I want. Many of you have already met him and if you haven't he is the guy on my avatar and is on the Chicks Rock Boogie DVD. He's been to Rantoul, Tallahassee, Eloy, and Elsinore. He flew in the tunnel at Perris and a reporter mentioned him in an article she was doing about it. He thinks BASE jumping is cool and I haven't even made a jump.

I have no concerns with him being at the DZ or around skydivers. I will not limit his knowledge by what I think he should know. It wouldn't work anyway... I think it's great to interact with him on the level that I do.

When we were in Tallahasee he kept asking if he could talk to my friends until I finally got him to realize they were his friends also and it was incedible to see the difference in his interraction.

So lighten up folks!

[skybytch 259]

A dz is an adult playground. That play may include language and/or activities that you consider profane or indecent and it may include alcohol and other intoxicants. If you don't want your children exposed to such things (i.e. if you want to keep them ignorant of what happens amongst adults in the real world, thus making such language, activities and intoxicants more appealing to them when they reach adolesence - but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish), don't bring them to the dz.

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(i.e. if you want to keep them ignorant of what happens amongst adults in the real world, thus making such language, activities and intoxicants more appealing to them when they reach adolesence - but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish

I like that. I like that alot.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[Slappie 9]

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A dz is an adult playground. That play may include language and/or activities that you consider profane or indecent and it may include alcohol and other intoxicants. If you don't want your children exposed to such things (i.e. if you want to keep them ignorant of what happens amongst adults in the real world, thus making such language, activities and intoxicants more appealing to them when they reach adolesence - but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish), don't bring them to the dz.

---> this is a bytch post, which ranks it in the awesome catagory. - Slappie

and she ranks in the awesome catagory yet again!!

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[VanillaSkyGirl 6]

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A dz is an adult playground. That play may include language and/or activities that you consider profane or indecent and it may include alcohol and other intoxicants. If you don't want your children exposed to such things (i.e. if you want to keep them ignorant of what happens amongst adults in the real world, thus making such language, activities and intoxicants more appealing to them when they reach adolesence - but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish), don't bring them to the dz.

Completely agreed.

If parents think that their children (well, depending on their ages, of course) haven't already heard this kind of language or aren't aware of this kind of language, then they are sadly mistaken. It's still their choice whether or not to curse. People, even little/young people, have a brain and a choice in life.

Also, this may be offensive to parents everywhere, but most parents think that their child (or children) is the MOST special child to ever walk the face of the earth. As a former teacher, I've seen this kind of behavior quite a bit. Parents don't mean to be blind or biased, but they are and tend to think that surely their child is THE ONE child that their fellow skydivers want desperately to see while at the DZ.

Sorry to have to give a wake up call, but no matter how special and wonderful that the child may be, he/she is still a minor. Also, he/she is still a child, who will have child-like tendencies and needs. These needs and tendencies cannot always be met or handled in the best way possible, while at the DZ.

Personally, I don't necessarily want to see children at the DZ, day or night...at least, not when I am busy jumping or during partying. This doesn't mean that I don't love children, otherwise. As Bytch said, a dropzone is an adult playground, plain and simple.

[Zenister 0]

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Without that warning, however, how is the public supposed to know what to expect and know not to bring kids - even to the spectator areas?

nope. there are lots of rather large signs as you enter "spectators enter at your own risk" this applies to everything physical, emotional, and moral risks as well...

if you dont accept that risk go somewhere else.... if you sit next to the landing area (and most spectators do) you are going to hear many things you might find objectionable anyway... but IME from talking to many of our spectators, the obvious energy we exhibit as we're walking off is one of the primary factors that motivates them to try it fo themselves....

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[skybytch 259]

To add to my assertion that the dz is an adult playground...

Children at play tend to be noisy. That noise often irritates me. But I like to play on the swings at the park (read: children's playground) on occasion.

If my words and actions must be modulated at the dz due to other people children being there then other people's children must modulate their noise while I'm on the swings at the park.

Seems fair to me...

[PhreeZone 15]

DZ's might be open to the public but I think a family is going to be bothered a whole lot more by watching a jumper hook in right in front of them and femer or die then they are going to be bothered by a few words.

Should we ban jumpers from hurting themselves or bouncing just since people might be there to watch? Personally I'd be more terrified of my kids (if I had them) seeing someone bounce or hook it in and bleed out at a DZ then I would be of a few bad words.

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[GTAVercetti 0]

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Should we ban jumpers from hurting themselves or bouncing just since people might be there to watch?

Yes, we should definitely ban jumpers from hurting thmeselves or bouncing. I don't know why we have not thought of that before!

I understand your meaning though.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[turtlespeed 212]

Now I actually could understand his offense - IF - the thread title was Milf BOGIE -

That would just be gross!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[BillyVance 34]

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Now I actually could understand his offense - IF - the thread title was Milf BOGIE - That would just be gross!

I think if you Google 'MILF', you're liable to turn up a bunch of porno sites... [Crazy]

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[white_falcon 0]

I haven't even begun to read this entire thread, but it seems there are an awful lot of people against kids on the DZ for the kids own good (or am I missing something?).

I have to agree w/ tfelder (?) about the kid thing here. I've got 2, a 5 y/o and a 2 1/2 y/o who absolutely LOVE the DZ and whom I THINK are truly LIKED by the vast majority of jumpers at the DZ. My wife and I see nothing wrong with exposing our kids to the "real" world and try not to be overly protective and sheltering, we believe that does a diservice to them.

Thats my $.02.

Scott

[Muenkel 0]

First I would like to say that I find the title of this boogie crude. But, I am not organizing or partaking in this boogie so my opinion on it is just that...an opinion.

Second: What is wrong with kids (properly supervised) going to dz's as spectators? I think it would be exciting for kids to watch. As for the language, if they go to a baseball game or a car race or (insert any spectator sport or entertainment venue) they are going to hear obsenities. We cannot shield our kids from hearing these words. However, we can educate them as to what we as parents deem appropriate. We all have to live on this globe and our children will be exposed to many things. It's the parents responsibility to set the standards as to what will be tolerated by their children. When the kids are 18 then they can set their own standards.

Chris

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[NWFlyer 2]

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As for the language, if they go to a baseball game ...

OT, but I had a mother chastise me for swearing in front of her 10-year-old at a Mariners game. And no, I was not in the alcohol-free "family-friendly" section.

Kids at the DZ should be well-supervised, period. Not just because they can overhear stuff their parents might be uncomfortable with, but also because they can get into a lot of trouble - getting themselves in harm's way very easily, mucking with peoples' gear, etc.

As for the MILF boogie... I guess I'm not that sensitive about it, though I agree it's a little weird because it does get you thinking about *your* mother that way. And as far as I'm concerned, my parents had sex exactly twice. And I don't even like to think about that!

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[GTAVercetti 0]

This thread was brought to Bonfire from Women's Corner. There, the purpose of the thread was to debate the name of the boogie, but the conversation evolved into the general use of swear words and having children at the DZ so it was brought here.

I have absolutely no problem with children if they are well-behaved and their parents are able to educate them as you do. However, I will not (unless I am specifically asked) tone down my language just because some parents decided to bring their children to a place where you have to be 18 to participate.

By you comments, I can see that you know where the responsibilty for raising a child and teaching them what values you hold dear lies.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[VanillaSkyGirl 6]

Ok, that's a completely ADORABLE avatar!