riggerrob 562 #1 February 15, 2008 Aerodyne Service Bulletin 210108 says to relocate AAD cutters above the reserve pilot chute. This follows similar SBs issued for Mirage and Atom containers. It is an effort to reduce pilot chute hesitations caused by closing loops that are too long. The Federation Francais du Parachutisme is trying to convince all manufacturers (of Vector-like containers) to relocate (move higher in reserve container) AAD cutters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #2 February 15, 2008 Do you have a link? I can't find it. Not on the web site.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BKR 0 #3 February 15, 2008 QuoteDo you have a link? I can't find it. Not on the web site. http://www.ffp.asso.fr/IMG/pdf/CS_150.pdf As clearly stated in the bulletin, this modification is not something that comes from Aerodyne. We were forced by the FFP to come with this solution, otherwise all Icons would be grounded in France. The modification is only for France and does not concern any other countries. Since this modification is not mandatory from Aerodyne's point of view, all costs involved regarding the modification on existing Icons in France, are for the customer/owner.Jérôme Bunker Basik Air Concept www.basik.fr http://www.facebook.com/pages/Le-Luc-France/BASIK-AIR-CONCEPT/172133350468 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #4 February 15, 2008 This is not a compulsory service bulletin, it was issued on request by the FFP (French Parachute Federation) under the instruction of Eric Fradet. The entire PDF is available from our website http://www.flyaerodyne.com/fly/supportother.asp I have attached the first and last page to this post, and also copied the initial context of the Service Bulletin. -------------------------- ICON CONTAINER ALTERNATE AAD CUTTER POSITION Issue Date : January 25. 2008 Bulletin Upon Request Identification: All ICON Harness/Container. Part Number: P120, P125 Background: French Parachute Federation have certified it compulsory for all Harness/Containers used in France must have the AAD cutter fitted above the reserve spring loaded pilot chute. The ICON Harness/Container was designed, tested and certified with the AAD cutter positioned below the reserve spring loaded pilot chute and positioned on reserve Flap #1. Aerodyne has also certified the AAD cutter to be positioned above the reserve spring loaded pilot chute. Both positions of the AAD are approved and effective. The Technical Bulletin is hence classified as optional. -------------------------- If you have any questions on this or any other Aerodyne related matter please feel free to contact us at the Tampa offices. Blue Skies Karl Meyer Marketing Coordinator Aerodyne Research Office: 1 813 891 6300 www.flyaerodyne.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #5 February 15, 2008 Okay, I must be a dunce. I can't find it on your website using the link supplied. Doesn't come up in the safety bulletin or technical bulletin drop down menus.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #6 February 15, 2008 Quote Okay, I must be a dunce. I can't find it on your website using the link supplied. Doesn't come up in the safety bulletin or technical bulletin drop down menus. Sorry guys the link is being updated Terry I sent you the SB via e-mail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilchief 0 #7 February 15, 2008 Clicky's made Quote The entire PDF is available from our website http://www.flyaerodyne.com/fly/supportother.asp I http://www.ffp.asso.fr/IMG/pdf/CS_150.pdf "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #8 February 15, 2008 Yeah, I'm not a dunce!Thanks, Terry I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 136 #9 February 15, 2008 QuoteThe ICON Harness/Container was designed, tested and certified with the AAD cutter positioned below the reserve spring loaded pilot chute and positioned on reserve Flap #1. Aerodyne has also certified the AAD cutter to be positioned above the reserve spring loaded pilot chute. Both positions of the AAD are approved and effective.is it possible to order a new Icon with the cutter location on top ? (would be good for new french customers)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #10 February 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteThe ICON Harness/Container was designed, tested and certified with the AAD cutter positioned below the reserve spring loaded pilot chute and positioned on reserve Flap #1. Aerodyne has also certified the AAD cutter to be positioned above the reserve spring loaded pilot chute. Both positions of the AAD are approved and effective.is it possible to order a new Icon with the cutter location on top ? (would be good for new french customers) Yes we have made provision that all rigs ordered through our French Distributors are made with this update. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzle 0 #11 February 20, 2008 Does this apply only to French jumpers or would it affect visiting jumpers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #12 February 20, 2008 QuoteDoes this apply only to French jumpers or would it affect visiting jumpers? The modification is mandatory only to members of FFP French parachute Federation), visiting jumpers are not required to have the modification done to their rigs. If you visit France on a regular basis to jump, I would suggest contacting any DZ you plan to visit in France to confirm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpinDoctor 0 #13 February 21, 2008 The above link goes to a French version of the bullitin. There's mention of Vigils at the bottom, but unfortunately, I can't read it as I only speak English (unless you count ordering two beers as multi lingual) Would any kind soul be prepared to translate please? Many thanks, Phil----------------------- Connextion: British 8 Way Team www.bodyflight.co.uk ----------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilchief 0 #14 February 21, 2008 BKR: could you translate hte bulletin in French for spindoctor? Spindoctor: I just made them into clicky's. I know only a few French phrases, I'm a Norwegian =) Merdé!"Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #15 February 21, 2008 QuoteThe above link goes to a French version of the bullitin. There's mention of Vigils at the bottom, but unfortunately, I can't read it as I only speak English (unless you count ordering two beers as multi lingual) Would any kind soul be prepared to translate please? Many thanks, Phil As posted above, all you need to do is copy and paste this link into your browser and you can get the English version. http://www.flyaerodyne.com/download/SB210108.pdf Please feel free to contact me if you have any issues or questions on this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpinDoctor 0 #16 February 22, 2008 Thanks for the reply. I have already seen that bullitin, but as already mentioned, the French version has EXTRA text at hte bottom regarding Vigils. It is this extra text and its content that I am interested in. Thanks, Phil----------------------- Connextion: British 8 Way Team www.bodyflight.co.uk ----------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #17 February 22, 2008 It says you cannot use the vigil cutter with plastic insert anymore after moving the cutter location because it may get damaged, the cutter needs to be exchanched for a fully metal one. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpinDoctor 0 #18 February 25, 2008 Many thanks I don't think that affects me. I have VigilIIs which have the metal cutter units. Thanks----------------------- Connextion: British 8 Way Team www.bodyflight.co.uk ----------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 562 #19 February 25, 2008 The simple answer is to scrap all the Vigil cutters with plastic inserts because you cannot trust - mere mortal - riggers to pack them without cracking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerolim 7 #20 February 25, 2009 This is what I've heared : Be aware because moving cutter to side flap causes this flap to be stiffer, and this can lead to reserve pilot chute hesitation (PC would not pop becuse PC faric remains under this flap). This is what PDF Atom users expirienced already in France, and some jumpers had to elbow their reserve out ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P-dro 0 #21 February 25, 2009 QuoteThis is what I've heared : Be aware because moving cutter to side flap causes this flap to be stiffer, and this can lead to reserve pilot chute hesitation (PC would not pop becuse PC faric remains under this flap). This is what PDF Atom users expirienced already in France, and some jumpers had to elbow their reserve out ! Have you precise information on that problem ? Because I never heard of that... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #22 February 26, 2009 Quote some jumpers had to elbow their reserve out ! I think it's time to rig another Jesus String to my blast handle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerolim 7 #23 February 26, 2009 It is mentioned also in this blog http://myjumps.blogspot.com/search?q=reserve check under title "Unsafe safety bulletin?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
