Simmi 0 #1 June 18, 2001 Hi i'm new to all this and in 4 weeks i will be doing my first AFF can someone tell me what a hookturn is?Edited by simmi on 6/18/01 03:19 AM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
des 2 #2 June 18, 2001 one of the better ways to land a parachute,if you can.one of the better ways to die ,if you can't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simmi 0 #3 June 18, 2001 a pretty dangerous maneuver i take it.is it when you open your shute at an angle and swing roundas it opens?sim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 June 18, 2001 no...that would be an unstable opening. A hook turn is when you make a high speed, altitude losing turn using the front risers very close to ground in order to swoop over the ground before landing. If done wrong you'll face plant at 40 mph or so and possibly kill yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Simmi 0 #5 June 18, 2001 not for the faint hearted then, or the 1st time jumper (like me) cheers 4 all your awnsers and dont worry i'll let you all know how my 1st jump goes(or i won't ha ha)sim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #6 June 18, 2001 Skydiving glossary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cypres420 0 #8 June 18, 2001 What you can do is once your chute is open pull down on one of the toggles all the way and hold on for the ride. It is almost the same thing just not close to the ground. Not suggested to try this under 2 grand though. When I started my AFP program they called this a red zone turn. HAVE FUN!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #9 June 19, 2001 If you get a chance, it's kind of fun to practice them landing on clouds.... ==8-DLindsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #10 June 19, 2001 Quote It is almost the same thing just not close to the ground. Not suggested to try this under 2 grand though. When I started my AFP program they called this a red zone turn. It's not that a hard toggle turn is dangerous below 2,000ft....the problem is that the Student CYPRES will fire at low vertical speeds(29mph), which could easily be achieved on most canopies, whereas an Expert CYPRES fires at 78mph vertical speed.. That's the primary reason they don't want you doing hard toggle turns below 2k on student rigs..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #11 June 19, 2001 aaa-hhaaaa!!! hey thanxs for clearing that up. I was wondering why toggle turns under 2000 was bad. That makes sence though on student gear!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikefarmer 0 #12 June 19, 2001 QuoteIt's not that a hard toggle turn is dangerous below 2,000ft....the problem is that the Student CYPRES will fire at low vertical speeds(29mph), which could easily be achieved on most canopies, whereas an Expert CYPRES fires at 78mph vertical speed.. That's the primary reason they don't want you doing hard toggle turns below 2k on student rigs..AND...One wants to ingrain in a student the DANGER of performing radical turns close to the ground, although I have generally used 1000' as the hard deck for full-on toggle turns.MikeMikeI ponder on this dangerous, but irresistible pastime- Pink Floyd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #13 June 19, 2001 I just did a front riser swoop onto a cloud...pretty cool I must say. no way in heck I would do one down low. I have picked up way too many broken body's at the DZ from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grogs 0 #14 June 19, 2001 QuoteIf you get a chance, it's kind of fun to practice them landing on clouds....Haha, we were talking about this on the ride to altitude the other day. There were these great looking puffy clouds all around (none within a mile of the DZ though, of course ). Some of the guys were talking about how cool it would be to crank a big hook turn and go surfing across the top of a cloud dragging your toe in it. We were thinking it might even be possible to see the effect of dragging the toe with a canopy speed of 60+ mph. It would make one hell of a picture, but unfortunately not one we could send to parachutist as they tend to frown on those FAR violations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grogs 0 #15 June 19, 2001 QuoteIt's not that a hard toggle turn is dangerous below 2,000ft....the problem is that the Student CYPRES will fire at low vertical speeds(29mph), which could easily be achieved on most canopies, whereas an Expert CYPRES fires at 78mph vertical speed.. That's the primary reason they don't want you doing hard toggle turns below 2k on student rigs..We actually use the expert Cypres on all our student rigs, probably for that exact reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Billy 0 #16 June 19, 2001 <>Oh shit!! I better see what we use,, still renting gear and often spiral down to about 700-800 ft,, after about 3 turns I can feel the blood going ta my feet and plane out,, any idea how fast your goin at that point?? thanks for the info,, ya may have saved me a case a beer for a reserve ride and a repack,, or is that 2 cases?? Man I can't wait ta jump close to some puffy cumulous type clouds!! Of course I'd stay the required distance from them,, of course of course,,,B Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #17 June 19, 2001 A word of caution to all you newer jumpers out there... be very careful which type of cloud formation you are playing around with for a couple of reasons. 1st off you can't see the ground, so you have no clue as to where you are. 2nd, you can't see around you so there is no way to see if anyone is about to smack you while doing the same thing. 3rd if it is a building thunderhead you could get caught in an up-draft that will kill you. end of safety briefing. have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #18 June 20, 2001 Quote Oh shit!! I better see what we use,, still renting gear and often spiral down to about 700-800 ft,, after about 3 turns I can feel the blood going ta my feet and plane out,, any idea how fast your goin at that point?? thanks for the info,, ya may have saved me a case a beer for a reserve ride and a repack,, or is that 2 cases?? Definitely find out which CYPRES you have in the rental rigs.. You can ask somebody, or you can look at the button that you push to turn the CYPRES on.. If it is a Student model, it will have a yellow button and have the word "Student" on it.. If it is an Expert model, it will have a red button with no label.. If it is a Tandem model, I believe it will be blue, and will have the word "Tandem" on it..The Student CYPRES can fire at 1,000ft if you are going slower than freefall speed, but faster than the 29mph limit.. I don't know what "slower than freefall speed" means exactly - no speed is specified.. In this scenario, the CYPRES assumes the student is under a partially open main.. If the CYPRES deploys your reserve at 1000ft while you have a fully inflated main, you could be much worse off than just having to get a reserve repack - there's a damn good chance of an entanglement.. How fast you go (vertically) when you are spiraling will depend on canopy size, rate of turn, wing loading, etc... Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #19 November 17, 2006 Post #5 is hilarious Some of these old post really need to be read again. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #20 November 18, 2006 OMG..where you been, brother?? TripleF "Upon seeing the shadow of a pigeon, one must resist the urge to look up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
