chuckakers 370 #1 November 18, 2009 kill a tandem student? 4:50 - dump in place while the tandem pair is still sniveling right above you. Probably not a problem....unless they cut away, of course. 6:13 - do a little tandem CReW. Just an end cell bump to add some excitement for the carnival riders that didn't pay for the added risk, nor understand it. 6:57 - such irony in the soundtrack, but still the best darn backwards tandem dock I've ever seen. Nice 180 hook at 8:31 too. What the f*ck are you people thinking? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCh7Psubs9g&feature=relatedChuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowpull 0 #2 November 18, 2009 you missed the moron video guy almost take out the whuffo with the camera running out in the landing area. No wonder we keep having incidents. dumbasses!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #3 November 18, 2009 Bonus points for NOT getting one frame of footage of what had to be a sweet wingover after the tandem left the Otter. With the sun low in the sky to boot, those would have been some nice pics. I also liked when he got his top mounted camera stuck in his slider down near the ground. The really scary part about all the hijinx is that you can tell that wasn't the first time they put on that show. That routine probably happens on a pretty regular basis, which means that at least two TIs, one camera guy, a DZO and an S&TA all seem to think it's ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stuntbabex 0 #4 November 18, 2009 Quote you missed the moron video guy almost take out the whuffo with the camera running out in the landing area. No wonder we keep having incidents. dumbasses!!! Whats a whuffo doing in the landing area in the first place? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLIDEANGLE 1 #5 November 18, 2009 I don't know which is more amazing: -- That these folks engaged in this behavior. OR -- That these folks engaged in this behavior WHILE ON CAMERA. I sure hope that the relevant supervisors at the DZ view this and make the necessary changes before someone gets hurt.The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 370 #6 November 18, 2009 Quote Quote you missed the moron video guy almost take out the whuffo with the camera running out in the landing area. No wonder we keep having incidents. dumbasses!!! Whats a whuffo doing in the landing area in the first place? Oh, just watching a little skydiving from the front row....unsupervised.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 20 #7 November 18, 2009 QuoteWhats a whuffo doing in the landing area in the first place? Properly briefed and properly supervised spectators are not a problem, (but of course it appears that neither were true on this landing). The "supervisor" must "read" a spectator just like an instructor must read a student, and anticipate what they might do, that is, stand there quietly, or go running off. Most DZ's are not willing to do this (or perhaps do not have time), so it is easier to just say, "no spectators in the landing area." (Same with observers, too, as we have unfortunately learned recently.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 370 #8 November 18, 2009 Quote The really scary part about all the hijinx is that you can tell that wasn't the first time they put on that show. That routine probably happens on a pretty regular basis, which means that at least two TIs, one camera guy, a DZO and an S&TA all seem to think it's ok. Yep. Took about 3 minutes to find this one. Nice passenger dock at 5:28. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv4tEjGXyPU&feature=related Another passenger dock on this one at 4:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn1U0SWHqO0 or how 'bout this one with the passenger holding the vidiots canopy after another backwards dock at 5:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMK0n9fEExI Wonder what Bill Booth and the USPA head shed think about such incredible skills.Anyone? anyone?Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #9 November 18, 2009 Quotehow 'bout this one with the passenger holding the vidiots canopy after another backwards dock How 'bout the way the TI spirals the canopy while still facing backwards? That's a canopy collision waiting to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 370 #10 November 18, 2009 QuoteQuotehow 'bout this one with the passenger holding the vidiots canopy after another backwards dock How 'bout the way the TI spirals the canopy while still facing backwards? That's a canopy collision waiting to happen. Yes, I caught that too. The TI does that in numerous vids I watched. There are also a bunch of side-to-side passes extremely close to the camera. Just search youtube for "skydive tandem twin cities". Wonder if anyone from the DZ will chime in on this. Hmmm.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 122 #11 November 18, 2009 Quote Quote The really scary part about all the hijinx is that you can tell that wasn't the first time they put on that show. That routine probably happens on a pretty regular basis, which means that at least two TIs, one camera guy, a DZO and an S&TA all seem to think it's ok. Yep. Took about 3 minutes to find this one. Nice passenger dock at 5:28. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv4tEjGXyPU&feature=related Another passenger dock on this one at 4:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn1U0SWHqO0 or how 'bout this one with the passenger holding the vidiots canopy after another backwards dock at 5:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMK0n9fEExI Wonder what Bill Booth and the USPA head shed think about such incredible skills.Anyone? anyone? the kool kids tell me they can do this stuff without any problem I mean what is the problem? What can go wrong? I'm sure they have mad skillz.Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #12 November 18, 2009 I can see from a wuffo stand point, that this video really stands out from other tandem videos... However, from a skydivers stand point, WTF are these guys thinking? Ill give credit where its due, thats some fucking nice canopy skills, but not with a student!"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #13 November 18, 2009 QuoteIll give credit where its due, thats some fucking nice canopy skills, Don't be fooled. None of that takes anything more than basic canopy flying skills. The TIs are doing nothing but sitting there, and the camera guy is just docking on a stable base. It's the RW equivilant of docking on a coach laying a stable base. Might look cool to a bystander, but a skydiver knows that it's nothing special. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #14 November 18, 2009 I dont get much CReW around here, maybe next month when Im on leave and at Spaceland, I can find someone to show me the ropes."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NealFitz 0 #15 November 18, 2009 did the third guy on the hop n pop chop??? i keep looking at it and it looks like the canopy is off and a freebag has appeared??? Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #16 November 18, 2009 Quote did the third guy on the hop n pop chop??? i keep looking at it and it looks like the canopy is off and a freebag has appeared??? It looked that way, I replayed it a few times... What it looks like is someone before and lower than him pulling"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #17 November 18, 2009 I'm not the only one that replayed it then. Agree on someone lower pulling. Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #18 November 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhats a whuffo doing in the landing area in the first place? Properly briefed and properly supervised spectators are not a problem. Other than the fact that they usually haven't signed the waiver. If there is a spectator standing near my cameraflyer they will miss the landing shot as I will land away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 20 #19 November 18, 2009 QuoteOther than the fact that they usually haven't signed the waiver. If there is a spectator standing near my cameraflyer they will miss the landing shot as I will land away. Yep, they can be there, but there are limitations. It would seem that a good place for them is to be well in back of the video person, where that can zoom in to get just the student landing, or zoom out to include the video person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #20 November 18, 2009 On the bright side, it's nice little "product placement" ad for Skydive Spaceland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #21 November 18, 2009 However, it is the product only -- that's not the Spaceland DZ or people (other than the pilot, probably). Not that Spaceland is perfect, but accuracy is good... Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #22 November 18, 2009 Quote Quote Whats a whuffo doing in the landing area in the first place? Properly leashed, briefed and properly supervised spectators are not a problem, (but of course it appears that neither were true on this landing). The "supervisor" must "read" a spectator just like an instructor must read a student, and anticipate what they might do, that is, stand there quietly, or go running off. Most DZ's are not willing to do this (or perhaps do not have time), so it is easier to just say, "no spectators in the landing area." (Same with observers, too, as we have unfortunately learned recently.) Fixed it for you. Half kidding. I keep thinking "nice flying" when watching these videos. While screaming inwardly "not on a bloody tandem you [unspeakable]."Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #23 November 18, 2009 I'm just sayin .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #24 November 18, 2009 Did anyone bother to explain WHY tandem canopy formations were banned back in the mid-1980s? I forget whether it was the first tandem fatality or the second, but a clumsy canopy dock followed by a wrap - followed by another mistake ... killed a tandem pair and that was why tandem canopy formations were banned a quarter century ago! Rob Warner Strong Tandem Examiner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 370 #25 November 18, 2009 QuoteDid anyone bother to explain WHY tandem canopy formations were banned back in the mid-1980s? I forget whether it was the first tandem fatality or the second, but a clumsy canopy dock followed by a wrap - followed by another mistake ... killed a tandem pair and that was why tandem canopy formations were banned a quarter century ago! Rob Warner Strong Tandem Examiner I'm waiting to see a post from one of the people in the video - or any of the many like it I found easily on youtube. Maybe one of these folks...like the Tandem Instructor/Examiner, maybe. http://skydivetwincities.com/staff.htmChuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
