Re: [pa2themd] No pull from 2000 m on 24th birthday and got killed
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billvon 2,772
> the manufacturer deems unserviceable.
Why not let them make that decision? It might do them a service to let them use gear the manufacturer deems unserviceable, especially if it is ten times more reliable than the gear they have now. I mean, if you don't want to donate gear don't, but if you do remember that there are different standards throughout the world as to what is serviceable and what isn't.
Skybums 0
Quote>I agree wholeheartedly - but not to the point of donating gear which
> the manufacturer deems unserviceable.
Why not let them make that decision? It might do them a service to let them use gear the manufacturer deems unserviceable, especially if it is ten times more reliable than the gear they have now. I mean, if you don't want to donate gear don't, but if you do remember that there are different standards throughout the world as to what is serviceable and what isn't.
My words exactly
Allan R.
raymod2 1
Quote>I agree wholeheartedly - but not to the point of donating gear which
> the manufacturer deems unserviceable.
Why not let them make that decision?
If you go down that road then why not apply the same principle here in the United States?
piisfish 137
QuoteQuote>I agree wholeheartedly - but not to the point of donating gear which
> the manufacturer deems unserviceable.
Why not let them make that decision?
If you go down that road then why not apply the same principle here in the United States?
not all the countries have the same regulations...
billvon 2,772
> in the United States?
A few riggers do just that, but most are unwilling to. We have laws here that do not neccessarily apply to the rest of the world, so different considerations apply when you are talking about the US vs the rest of the world.
Some examples for you to think about: Let's say you are jumping in a foreign country that requires a repack once every 360 days. Your container manufacturer says to repack it every 120 days. Will you continue to repack it every 120 days?
Or you are in a country that requires reserve parachutes to be discarded after they are 8 years old for safety reasons. You come across a never-jumped PD143 that's 9 years old, and you have the option to bring it back to the US with you. Will you discard it, or will you take it back with you?
Tonto 1
I've seen gear (and aircraft) in Africa that I would never use, but my gear (including the cypres 3 years past it's 8 year check) is more serviceable than most.
t
QuoteMaybe someone could let us know whether a rigger can repack a reserve into a container that contains an out-of-date CYPRES, given that it's (imho) unserviceable?
In the US, a Rigger cannot legally pack a reserve with a CYPRES that:
1) is out of date or goes out of date (past 12 years, 3 months) before it is next due for a repack
2) will require service (4 years, 3 months or 8 years, 3 months) before it is next due for a repack
3) has batteries that are expired or will expire before it is next due for a repack
4) is deemed unairworthy for any other reason (e.g. the units that were involved in the train wreck)
FAR Part 105 says:
Quote§ 105.43 Use of single-harness, dual-parachute systems.
(c) If installed, the automatic activation device must be maintained in accordance with manufacturer instructions for that automatic activation device.
John
Tonto 1
QuoteMaybe someone could let us know whether a rigger can repack a reserve into a container that contains an out-of-date CYPRES
They are here unless the gear is used for Tandems or students. Some may require the jumper to sign an acnowlegement that the cypres is out of date.
The logic is quite simple.
The AAD is an extra. It may work, or not, even when new. It should NEVER be relied on. As for accidental firing - I've not heard of one. I have seen several premeture deployments from other causes though.
t
Does anyone have any ideas as to how we might
donate gear to an area in need?
Thoughts on the type on gear that may be useful?
* in addition to ADD's
I don't know...
Is there a need for 'used' helmets, jumpsuits, goggles, boots,
rigging supplies...
serviceable containers and canopies?
Who might the equipment go to for 'proper'
distribution...
How would it get there...
Any thoughts?
~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~
Tonto 1
Reminds me a little of the "Eat your dinner! There are kids starving in Africa!" line given to me by my parents.
It's a noble thought, but organisations are unlikely to want to help, and where should the stuff come from or go to?
I know in the past, when I've got new gear, I've always "gifted" some kid at the DZ with stuff worse than mine with my old gear. Since they saw it work fine on the last load - they usually take it. I exchanged my last harness and main for a cypres battery with my rigger. He'll fix it up, make a few $ and hand some OK airworthy gear to someone else - while it would have just stayed in the cupboard like so much of my other gear did for a decade or more.
t
I have 1/2 a 10X30 storage place full of 'old'
gear and rigging junk...material, gromets, couple dozen
'new' pilot chutes, 50-60 pre made bridles etc.
You know...stuff that I'll never use, but might be
a treasure to someone else.
But you're right...
would be tough to get it to the right hands as intended.
~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~
ivanmi 0
But if we manage to organize things in clever way (and it should be us to do it, not you guys, we are the ones that will use the gear after all), gather it all in one place and then ship it to Serbia, it might work.
We are working heavily to make this happen and will inform all of you as soon as we find a good solution. Meanwhile, see if some other people you know, in your DZ or some friend of yours have something to donate.
And yes, even goggles or flysuit or helmet is welcomed too, not only Cypress or some expensive stuff.
I agree wholeheartedly - but not to the point of donating gear which the manufacturer deems unserviceable.
L.
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