Nutz 0 #1 March 27, 2004 This is on the topskin on the left side of the first cell to the left of the center. My rigger says it looks like a cut rather than a rip. I noticed it when I was packing after my fourth jump of the day. I had no problems on opening or with the flight and it flaired the best it did all day. (Maybe that was me, I don't know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bch7773 0 #2 March 28, 2004 maybe you snagged it on something as you walked in? do you walk past anything that could cut or snag the chute when you walk from landing area to packing area? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #3 March 28, 2004 That’s not a cut. It's a tear. Looks to me as if the material got caught in the grommet of the D-bag. That is the tail I assume. If so then that section of the canopy is most likely where you rolled the tail when pro packing. when the canopy is then S-folded, and placed in the D-bag, that material would most likely be right up against the grommet. The damage shown in the picture is a common characteristic not clearing the grommet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nutz 0 #4 March 28, 2004 I phsyco pack and the only part of the tail showing, usually, is the center cell. I guess it could have been hanging out the side of the roll and caught the grommet but we couldn't find any sharp edges there. I don't remember walking close by anything that could have snagged it on my way back to the hanger, once again, that could be what happened. I usually let it fall in front of me when I land and then drag it back downwind of me while I am rolling up the lines, that makes it easier to gather up. I guess there could have been something on the ground that I snagged it on. We will probably never know for sure. Thanks for your opinions. "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airgord 1 #5 March 28, 2004 Don't drag the canopy to you when you "roll" up your lines, walk to your canopy so you don't drag it across whatever scorpions, landmines and other debris that might be in your landing area. Roll the bag over and check your grommet is clear before putting the bag in the container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites henrik.anderson 0 #6 March 28, 2004 By the way what is that grommet good for anyway? Parachute de France tandem bag don't have that top grommet it is two slings sewn to the bag. Is this something from the old days? /Henrik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites USPA 0 #7 March 28, 2004 Quotewhatever scorpions, landmines and other debris that might be in your landing area you call this a landing area? The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pablito 0 #8 March 29, 2004 You need to take care of your parachute. "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nutz 0 #9 March 29, 2004 I dropped it off at UPS this morning. Hopefully Red can get it fixed and back to me by this weekend. (I'm crossing my fingers. "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pablito 0 #10 March 29, 2004 what? "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nutz 0 #11 March 30, 2004 Back to the manufacturer to be repaired. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 8 #12 March 30, 2004 MMMMMM, speculation, my favorite.......I agree with BCH here, seems more likely that it got snagged walking into the hangar than blown on opening....especially bc of it's location...Many more weaker points on your canopy that would give out first...=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nutz 0 #13 March 30, 2004 Quote MMMMMM, speculation, my favorite....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #14 March 30, 2004 In my experience repairing parachutes, I would say that at least 85% of the damage found on parachutes that needs to be repaired is located in or about the exact area as the damage shown in the photo. I find it hard to believe that snaging canopys on something while walking or while gathering up the canopy has caused all the damage to same area on most everyones canopy that I have repaired over the past 12 years. I really think it comes back to bad packing. Besides, if while walking, you did catch it on some thing and made a hole the size of the one shown in the photo, I think you would feel it as it happened. After all, these canopys are made of nylon. Not tissue paper Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nutz 0 #15 March 30, 2004 You know, that is kind of what I'm thinking as well. Surely I would have noticed if I snagged something. (You may have and stop calling me Shirley.) The only other possibility is that someone stepped on it in the packing area with something sharp underneath it, not very likely because the carpet gets cleaned everyday. I wonder if I would have noticed it flying differently though with a hole in it like that. ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #16 March 30, 2004 I doubt you would have noticed any difference in flight until it became catastrophic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 3 #17 March 30, 2004 QuoteBy the way what is that grommet good for anyway? Parachute de France tandem bag don't have that top grommet it is two slings sewn to the bag. Is this something from the old days? /Henrik You are trolling this question in other treads. The way you describe is something from the old days. It does not work with a collapsible PC, which must be attached to the canopy. Now you know what the grommet is good for.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bshl 0 #18 March 31, 2004 QuoteI doubt you would have noticed any difference in flight until it became catastrophic Now that's reassuring! Blue skies and happy landings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrflyPimpDaddy 0 #19 April 3, 2004 Nutz- Just an FYI Flared - not flaired Since - not sinse Hangar - not hanger Psycho - not physco ...and every day is two words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveNFlorida 0 #20 April 3, 2004 QuoteNutz- Just an FYI Flared - not flaired Since - not sinse Hangar - not hanger Psycho - not physco ...and every day is two words. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=everyday Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrflyPimpDaddy 0 #21 April 3, 2004 Quote not very likely because the carpet gets cleaned everyday. SkydiveNFlorida Not in this sense. The "everyday" you have selected is a homophone. It would be used in "everyday"conversation, but you wouldn't use that word "every day". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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bch7773 0 #2 March 28, 2004 maybe you snagged it on something as you walked in? do you walk past anything that could cut or snag the chute when you walk from landing area to packing area? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #3 March 28, 2004 That’s not a cut. It's a tear. Looks to me as if the material got caught in the grommet of the D-bag. That is the tail I assume. If so then that section of the canopy is most likely where you rolled the tail when pro packing. when the canopy is then S-folded, and placed in the D-bag, that material would most likely be right up against the grommet. The damage shown in the picture is a common characteristic not clearing the grommet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #4 March 28, 2004 I phsyco pack and the only part of the tail showing, usually, is the center cell. I guess it could have been hanging out the side of the roll and caught the grommet but we couldn't find any sharp edges there. I don't remember walking close by anything that could have snagged it on my way back to the hanger, once again, that could be what happened. I usually let it fall in front of me when I land and then drag it back downwind of me while I am rolling up the lines, that makes it easier to gather up. I guess there could have been something on the ground that I snagged it on. We will probably never know for sure. Thanks for your opinions. "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airgord 1 #5 March 28, 2004 Don't drag the canopy to you when you "roll" up your lines, walk to your canopy so you don't drag it across whatever scorpions, landmines and other debris that might be in your landing area. Roll the bag over and check your grommet is clear before putting the bag in the container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henrik.anderson 0 #6 March 28, 2004 By the way what is that grommet good for anyway? Parachute de France tandem bag don't have that top grommet it is two slings sewn to the bag. Is this something from the old days? /Henrik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USPA 0 #7 March 28, 2004 Quotewhatever scorpions, landmines and other debris that might be in your landing area you call this a landing area? The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #8 March 29, 2004 You need to take care of your parachute. "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #9 March 29, 2004 I dropped it off at UPS this morning. Hopefully Red can get it fixed and back to me by this weekend. (I'm crossing my fingers. "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #10 March 29, 2004 what? "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #11 March 30, 2004 Back to the manufacturer to be repaired. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 8 #12 March 30, 2004 MMMMMM, speculation, my favorite.......I agree with BCH here, seems more likely that it got snagged walking into the hangar than blown on opening....especially bc of it's location...Many more weaker points on your canopy that would give out first...=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #13 March 30, 2004 Quote MMMMMM, speculation, my favorite....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #14 March 30, 2004 In my experience repairing parachutes, I would say that at least 85% of the damage found on parachutes that needs to be repaired is located in or about the exact area as the damage shown in the photo. I find it hard to believe that snaging canopys on something while walking or while gathering up the canopy has caused all the damage to same area on most everyones canopy that I have repaired over the past 12 years. I really think it comes back to bad packing. Besides, if while walking, you did catch it on some thing and made a hole the size of the one shown in the photo, I think you would feel it as it happened. After all, these canopys are made of nylon. Not tissue paper Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #15 March 30, 2004 You know, that is kind of what I'm thinking as well. Surely I would have noticed if I snagged something. (You may have and stop calling me Shirley.) The only other possibility is that someone stepped on it in the packing area with something sharp underneath it, not very likely because the carpet gets cleaned everyday. I wonder if I would have noticed it flying differently though with a hole in it like that. ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #16 March 30, 2004 I doubt you would have noticed any difference in flight until it became catastrophic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #17 March 30, 2004 QuoteBy the way what is that grommet good for anyway? Parachute de France tandem bag don't have that top grommet it is two slings sewn to the bag. Is this something from the old days? /Henrik You are trolling this question in other treads. The way you describe is something from the old days. It does not work with a collapsible PC, which must be attached to the canopy. Now you know what the grommet is good for.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bshl 0 #18 March 31, 2004 QuoteI doubt you would have noticed any difference in flight until it became catastrophic Now that's reassuring! Blue skies and happy landings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrflyPimpDaddy 0 #19 April 3, 2004 Nutz- Just an FYI Flared - not flaired Since - not sinse Hangar - not hanger Psycho - not physco ...and every day is two words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #20 April 3, 2004 QuoteNutz- Just an FYI Flared - not flaired Since - not sinse Hangar - not hanger Psycho - not physco ...and every day is two words. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=everyday Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrflyPimpDaddy 0 #21 April 3, 2004 Quote not very likely because the carpet gets cleaned everyday. SkydiveNFlorida Not in this sense. The "everyday" you have selected is a homophone. It would be used in "everyday"conversation, but you wouldn't use that word "every day". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
