mccordia 73 #1 December 3, 2011 We just put online a new training document for beginning and intermediate wingsuit flyers. Its a skill guide based on a document Douglas (DSE) did for the Elsinore Wingsuit school, and expanded to a bigger list with the help of several awesome wingsuitpilots/coaches. Get it for free from our Pilot Database at http://flylikebrick.com/pilotdb.php, or download a free copy of the PDF (top of the page), or download it via the direct link at http://flylikebrick.com/articles/flb_skills_guide.pdf Have fun!JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linas120 0 #2 December 4, 2011 Thanks for sharing this, Jarno. Very comprehensive and structured approach to wing suit progression. I miss one thing though: Level F: - doing all of the above & looking super cool in the video - doing wingsuit rodeos with the hottest chickz on the DZ & (of course!) looking super cool in the video - doing (insert anything else) & looking super cool in the video Jokes aside, really good job! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roostnureye 2 #3 December 4, 2011 QuoteWe just put online a new training document for beginning and intermediate wingsuit flyers. Its a skill guide based on a document Douglas (DSE) did for the Elsinore Wingsuit school, and expanded to a bigger list with the help of several awesome wingsuitpilots/coaches. Get it for free from our Pilot Database at http://flylikebrick.com/pilotdb.php, or download a free copy of the PDF (top of the page), or download it via the direct link at http://flylikebrick.com/articles/flb_skills_guide.pdf how do you do a back loop in a wingsuit? do you have any video? Have fun!Flock University FWC / ZFlock B.A.S.E. 1580 Aussie BASE 121 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #4 December 4, 2011 Quotehow do you do a back loop in a wingsuit? do you have any video? Do a short upfloat (get some upward momentum going). Than strong push on the arms while at the same time a tuck/pull knees into chest and closing legwing (Balling up). As you're coming through the roll, cock the head back, and look at the ground. As the horizon comes back into view stretch out the legwing, and start flying again.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roostnureye 2 #5 December 4, 2011 hmmm, ive never seen one executed. thanks for the info, ill have to try that this weekend!Flock University FWC / ZFlock B.A.S.E. 1580 Aussie BASE 121 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #6 December 4, 2011 Might be a fun addition to the flight manual videos we have on our website. Ill see if we can custom shoot some footage on backloops in the coming weeks.JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elias123 0 #7 December 5, 2011 http://vimeo.com/28214086 Scroll to 0:54."In a mad world, only the mad are sane" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #8 December 5, 2011 haha...that one includes doing it inside the burble...not sure thats the best example. But I did find a few nice ones with help from Douglas. Ill try and make a flight manual video out of those coming weeks!JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #9 December 5, 2011 I did one on video for Douglas ... "That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #10 December 5, 2011 Quote I did one on video for Douglas ... Yea..thats one of the loops I got from him...you'll be famousJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #11 December 5, 2011 Quotehttp://vimeo.com/28214086 Scroll to 0:54. Very cool, but looks more like backflip than a backloop.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #12 December 5, 2011 Its more a drop through the burble with a half-assed tuck/backloop....I have some nice video examples from Butters, and will also try and shoot a few extra video bits the 17th to put another video together... JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #13 December 5, 2011 QuoteQuotehttp://vimeo.com/28214086 Scroll to 0:54. Very cool, but looks more like backflip than a backloop. Take it up with the USPA."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #14 December 5, 2011 Similarly, none of us do barrel rolls, we do aileron rolls. Notwithstanding what Slippy, Falco or Peppy have to say on the matter.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #15 December 5, 2011 Quote Similarly, none of us do barrel rolls, we do aileron rolls. Notwithstanding what Slippy, Falco or Peppy have to say on the matter. http://vimeo.com/31931773 Hmmm...not on-axis, carving rolls, not really barrel rolls, but not aileron turns either. Are they "barrelon roils?"As far as glide ratio... http://skydivedubai.ae/experienced/experienced_images/winsuit01.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #16 December 5, 2011 Quote Its more a drop through the burble with a half-assed tuck/backloop..... That too. Definitely not a "loop" as the rest of the aviation world defines it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #17 December 5, 2011 QuoteSimilarly, none of us do barrel rolls, we do aileron rolls. Notwithstanding what Slippy, Falco or Peppy have to say on the matter. Without ailerons, I'd suggest "axial rolls".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #18 December 5, 2011 In the medical world "Pussy" means having a lot of pus. In the animal world "Pussy" means kitty cat" In the porn world "Pussy" means woman parts In the skydiving world "Pussy" means those that don't wingsuit at night. Thank god we're not aviators, so we don't have to abide their definitions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #19 December 5, 2011 QuoteQuoteSimilarly, none of us do barrel rolls, we do aileron rolls. Notwithstanding what Slippy, Falco or Peppy have to say on the matter. Without ailerons, I'd suggest "axial rolls". A fair point that we don't have ailerons. DSE and Kallend agree on something on dz.com. Surely, the apocalypse is upon us. But is "axial" roll the right term? There are at least three axes - a yaw (vertical) axis, a pitch (lateral) axis, and a roll (longitudinal) axis. (I'm leaving out the implied time axis and a whole bunch of axes that are rolled up too small to see, if M theory is right... i like my descriptions of spacetime to be complete.) So, my point is wouldn't "axial roll" be ambiguous as to which one you mean? It's definitely around an axis-ish (depending on how skilled the wingsuiter is), but... Longitudinal rotation? It doesn't have the same linguistic charm... I mean, I doubt I'm going to hear wingsuiters going, "Holy shit, man, did you see that crazy longitudinal rotation I did right before dropping from 5 meters onto Scott Bland?" (Scott is wingsuiting's favorite target.) The Venn diagram of wingsuiters who talk about flight and people who describe flight in accurate aeronautical terms looks like a big ole set of boobies. In other words, I have a feeling it will still be called barrel rolls. EDITED: TO ADD PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED BOOBIES. BECAUSE EVERYONE LOVES BOOBIES.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #20 December 5, 2011 Quote Quote Its more a drop through the burble with a half-assed tuck/backloop.... That too. Definitely not a "loop" as the rest of the aviation world defines it. Do you understand context? I ask because we're not talking about aviation, we're talking about skydiving ... and that is considered a backloop in skydiving. By the way, can you do a backloop (or, as you prefer, a backflip) in a wingsuit? I ask because you were doing wingsuit aerobatics before I even started skydiving ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #21 December 5, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Its more a drop through the burble with a half-assed tuck/backloop.... That too. Definitely not a "loop" as the rest of the aviation world defines it. Do you understand context? I ask because we're not talking about aviation, we're talking about skydiving ... and that is considered a backloop in skydiving. By the way, can you do a backloop (or, as you prefer, a backflip) in a wingsuit? I ask because you were doing wingsuit aerobatics before I even started skydiving ... Right on, Butters! Now all we need to do is all agree to call the direction toward Earth "up" and we'll be able to fly up!Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #22 December 5, 2011 Quote Quote Similarly, none of us do barrel rolls, we do aileron rolls. Notwithstanding what Slippy, Falco or Peppy have to say on the matter. http://vimeo.com/31931773 Hmmm...not on-axis, carving rolls, not really barrel rolls, but not aileron turns either. Are they "barrelon roils?"(Other stuff omitted)[/url] That's as good of a term as any. The closest analogy I've heard anyone come up for our arm wing is that it's like a "flaperon". But that doesn't map to our sport perfectly either. Of course, few of the terms port over very well - there aren't any aircraft that change shape to the extent we can in the air. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaperon Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #23 December 5, 2011 Quote That's as good of a term as any. The closest analogy I've heard anyone come up for our arm wing is that it's like a "flaperon". But that doesn't map to our sport perfectly either. Of course, few of the terms port over very well - there aren't any aircraft that change shape to the extent we can in the air. I would submit that no mammal can adjust their bodies like we can, other than perhaps flying Skwrls, and since flying skwrls can't speak English, they can just fuck off when it comes to using terms of avionics. And I'll continue to refer to "barrelon roils" as barrel rolls, and ass-burble reverse flips as "Backloops" cuz even the most ignorant, dumbass student from Bilgewater, Nebraska understands what I'm talking about. I despise the sophisticated nomenclature by a brobdingnagian cunning linguist using morphologically complex words to describe really simple, everyday things. All this disambiguation is one huge pandiculation, positively antedeluvian, and moreover, superannuated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electronaut 0 #24 December 5, 2011 Quote I despise the sophisticated nomenclature used by brobdingnagian cunning linguists morphologically complex words to describe really simple, everyday things. All this disambiguation is one huge pandiculation, positively antedeluvian, and moreover, superannuated. My head hurts now. Skwrl: Re: startfox, do a barrel roll! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #25 December 5, 2011 QuoteQuote That's as good of a term as any. The closest analogy I've heard anyone come up for our arm wing is that it's like a "flaperon". But that doesn't map to our sport perfectly either. Of course, few of the terms port over very well - there aren't any aircraft that change shape to the extent we can in the air. I would submit that no mammal can adjust their bodies like we can, other than perhaps flying Skwrls, and since flying skwrls can't speak English, they can just fuck off when it comes to using terms of avionics. And I'll continue to refer to "barrelon roils" as barrel rolls, and ass-burble reverse flips as "Backloops" cuz even the most ignorant, dumbass student from Bilgewater, Nebraska understands what I'm talking about. I despise the sophisticated nomenclature used by brobdingnagian cunning linguists morphologically complex words to describe really simple, everyday things. All this disambiguation is one huge pandiculation, positively antedeluvian, and moreover, superannuated. Not sure what that last paragraph means (it is above my verbal SAT score), but.... You can call it anything you'd like. I'll probably keep on calling them barrel rolls, too. My point is that I get confused when two groups of people use the same word and it means something different to each one. (I mean, it's easier when you actually KNOW they are doing it, but at least for me I didn't know the difference between a barrel and aileron roll until recently.) (Shrug.) Having said that, it will be cool when a wingsuiter someday does an honest-to-God, I-mean-this-in-the-traditional-airplane-sense barrel roll.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
