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Mr Billvon, quoted the WebMD article in reference to me saying kids dying was propaganda. In that article they claim 1900 kids were hospitalized. I think that's fishy propaganda because: If every child had covid in the country at the same time that would only equate to 2000 hospitalized kids based on the quoted CDC data above. Dude they quoted about kids being sent to Oklahoma was a judge, and not at anyway affiliated with the hospital or public health.

https://sanjosespotlight.com/santa-clara-county-revises-total-covid-deaths-by-over-20/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/wpde.com/amp/news/nation-world/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report-07-18-2020 In addition in overzealous use of ventilators they were basically executing people early in the pandemic before treating like other respiratory disease with oxygen and steroids. Treatment has improved dramatically.

Graph below shows cases per 100k for < 5 and 5-17. There was a spike but it doesn't seem that much different than the previous wave. 2.3 to 2.6 per 100k. Given 77 million kids that comes to 2000 hospitalized kids if every one of them were infected with covid at the same time. And again I'm being charitable. I'm assuming all under 17 at the higher hospitalization rate of 2.6. also assuming hospitalization means with covid and not broken arm then tests while treated (which has and does happen) as alluded to above by someone else. https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html Also note the common propaganda technique here : “That means if your child’s in a car wreck, if your child has a congenital heart defect or something and needs an ICU bed, or more likely, if they have COVID and need an ICU bed, we don’t have one,” Clay Jenkins, a Dallas County judge, said on Friday." Why quote a Dallas county judge and not someone in the hospital? https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/covid19_3.html

A vaccine so good it doesn't protect the people who get it. Interested in Oofscience rebuttal of leaky vaccines not being the cause of evolution in virus due to selection pressures. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses

I've not seen this anywhere but the worst of all propaganda equating kids contracting covid with being equal to ICU visits.

Looks healthy.

It's a little more complicated. I'd argue skydiving is much more dangerous than we would like to think since incident reports aren't required for non fatals. Long covid comes up a lot, rather than dismiss it I thought I'd assume it was at least as bad as the disfigurement and suicides from life changing injuries sustained skydiving. I think that's reasonable and fair yes. The alternative response being, Hur dur muh long covid. Otherwise maybe you can argue that long covid is somehow more prevalent and/or worse than skydivers who've had limbs amputated, brain damaged or ended up as quadriplegic.

I think it is counting contracting covid and death rate. If it wasn't it would be orders of magnitude lower. Haven't yet seen anyone on HermanCainAwards that should have been unvaccinated. If you find one that is smaller than fat bastard from Austin Powers let me know.

Yeah and all the paralyzed, brain damaged, and amputees from skydiving don't show up in fatal stats. I treated those outcomes as constant for covid and skydiving.

I only know of one covid fatality, mother in law of an employee. My wife's employee was hospitalized by the Pfizer vax. Heart issues days after it was given. All of it is rare. If I didnt look at Reddit I wouldn't know anyone had died of covid or the vaccine. According to this: https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1439958258727407621/photo/1 My age group (40) has 34 in 100k fatality rate. Children under 17: 1 in 100k. At 8 micromorts per jump skydiving hits 3400 micromorts at 425 jumps. For someone under 20 it's like doing 8 skydives. 40 is the same as doing 425 skydives. At 50 covid is more like doing 1300 skydives. Risk profile everyone here seems to be really uncomfortable.

Pretty juicy stuff. "There isn't data to be convince my nurses refusing the vaccine are safer with the vaccine than without" "70x risk of heart attack" "We have to kill 2 people with the vaccine to save 1"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

I've been cordial to everyone, can't really say the same about most of you.

The study I saw, which to be fair I can't find was 40% per month, at the 3rd month there was basically no detectable antibodies in the blood. The 8 month, 5 month booster recommendation definitely seems to imply it's less effective than they thought (and not just from the variants).

Guess you'll have to upgrade to a Turbine :) Interestingly, someone that lives in the hangar at my local airport had a kid about a year ago. The kid had toxic levels of lead in one of her recent checkups. They immediately moved. Kids obviously put a lot of stuff in their mouth and I assume tons of 100LL dust near GA airports. Anyone aware of studies about flying GA and it's effects? Not just living near the airport?

Was in my college biochem class. You had to draw the whole thing in one of the tests, not just be aware of it. https://www.science.widener.edu/~nagengast/BCH452syllabusS08.pdf Lab that has TCA right there, how about that?! Nice chatting with such an asshole.

I had a 4.0 in biochem so I kind of assume the years of drawing the Krebs cycle and enzyme reactions is a bit higher than average understanding of the mechanics. I'll just make up something about you: Must be comforting to have such blind trust in institutions that have killed millions. I bet you sleep really soundly.

Already seeing a huge reduction in reservations at restaurants that were already hurting. Someone in your party that forgot their card? Guess we can't eat here. Gyms and restaurants just had the worst year ever. Any friction with customers causes a drop off. My prediction would be their is some pushback from the already hurting businesses that are going to lose 50% of their customer base.

We started at herd immunity then shifted to the idea it's somehow just about hospitalization and death. I remain skeptical. The cheerleading and trust for an industry that killed 500,000 people of all ages with safe and non-addictive Oxy and routinely hides and misleads with results to make a little more profit as people die is interesting.

Can't find the paper, but this shows 16% effective if vaccinated in Jan. The Biden recommendation of booster at 5 months is on account of the reduction of effectiveness. Preliminary data published by the Israeli government in July showed the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was just 16% effective against symptomatic infection for people who had received two doses in January. For people who had been fully vaccinated by April, the vaccine was 79% effective against symptomatic infection, suggesting that immunity gained through immunization depletes over time. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/30/israel-doubles-down-on-covid-booster-shots-as-breakthrough-cases-rise.html

Yeah I'm sure you will. Whatever authoritarian measures give greater profits to Pfizer and big sugar and make you feel safer.

Sterilizing immunity is a pretty common term. I've seen sterilizing vaccine used to imply that. It was pretty clear from the link what was meant.

Every data source I've seen that says this is including January to present. The vaccine wasn't widely available until April and cases were already falling in February. I don't think you can say either way. There are geographical examples (UK and Israel) that have vaccinated individuals neck and neck with unvaccinated. Luckily, like with regular Covid hospitalizations, they skew way older. Vitamin D :) Seriously though I never mentioned either. You're better off being in shape, n95, not going to bars and high traffic indoor events than taking the vaccine. This is actually more true in non-sterilizing vaccines. Organisms (if you count virus as such) respond to selection pressure. Vaccines that don't kill it mean more mutations. https://www.newsweek.com/leaky-vaccines-may-create-stronger-viruses-357575

The vaccines currently seem to lose 40% effectiveness a month (Israel studies) [1]. Boosters are largely acknowledged as required at 5 months. There is no testing for boosters past the second dose. We know second dose is bad, maybe third and forth will be even worse and has ill effects? Is your intent to mandate a Pfizer subscription every three months? Like skydiving, don't swoop, practice your emergency procedures and do canopy drills. You may still die, but overall it's way lower risk than the 400 jump wonder on a crossbraced canopy his first season. There are anecdotes about vaccine deaths too. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/israel-covid-case-breakthrough-data-shows-vaccines-not-pandemic-silver-bullet-1622465

If being vaccinated does nothing to stop the spread. How do you jump to, "must be vaccinated to have a job?" Now that the goal posts have moved from: everyone vaccinated so we can get herd immunity to get vaccinated so you don't go to the ICU. I don't follow to logic that vaccinated is somehow safer for others. N95 sure. Want to stay out of the ICU? Lower your BMI. That not just makes covid a lightning strike rarity for complications but a host of other factors.