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b.a.r.industries cold casing 300 gram cold smoke electric or pull pin

contact [email protected] walrus enterprises he exports smoke

here is one you missed www.flamelesssmokegrenades.com

b.a.r.inductries has developed a new cold casing extended burn color smoke cartridge strictly for sky diving. final testing underway

understandable problems with top burn smoke designs. the problem is because the smoke compounds are ignited from the top and burn down like a candle. we are working on a solution for your smoke. we invented the flame-less m-18 and we are now working on a specialty smoke cartridge for sky diving. these smoke cartridge will be revers core burn smoke grains. they work just like a solid rocket propellant motor used in missiles they ignite from the back and burn to the exhause port and burn from the center of the smoke grain to the out side,this keeps heat to a min. this design allows us to use schedual 40 pvc with out harming the casings. this also allows us to produce a smoke grain in the weight of 10 to 12 ounce solid smoke grain and use a huge 5/8 core. with this configuration we can get 6 miniuts of smoke in 60-90 seconds. or 250,000cf of smoke in just 60-90 seconds. very high valium. liberty team will handle these when we complete the finnal testing but we are working on it for sky diving. more details are on our web site www.flamelesssmokegrenades.com

first thing we have to do is finnesh our own m-18 testing for armor holdings between doing this we work on the new smoke design. the longest part of the process is the smoke grain is pressed one day and has to cure for two before we can test burn it. one simple test can take two days before it is complete. the binders have to cure at room temp so the smoke grains are rock hard. we will be posting a clip in the next week with white smoke in the new casings. this will be using a full load of smoke. 5/8 core so they will produce the same amount of smoke on just over 60 seconds that a normal smoke cartridge would produce in 5 miniuts

we are developing a new cold casing pvc smoke cartridge just for sky diving. jim from liberty will have controle over the finneshed smoke. the problem we found with the m-18 was the can size is produced in just one size. the can will only hold enough smoke compound to produce a burn between 50-60 seconds with sugar based smoke,sulfur based gives a fast burn of 30 seconds. fast burn sugar compounds dont work well in the metal m-18 can because the internal heat destroys the color dyes. the slow burn formula works best but slow burn smoke doesent produce color fast enough for sky diving. slow burn formulas are basicly designed for signaling only. the slow burn with a 1/2 inch core produces great color up to the 60 second point. once the burn goes over the 60 second point the color quickly turns to white because the dyes dont handle the heat generated inside the metal can. so we are testing the cold casing pvc casings we used for electric ingition smoke. so fare the test went great. our smoke burns below the pvc heat limits so they dont destroy the casings. the casings are the same diamiter as the m-18 so they will fit the smoke brackets. we can use a 5/9 core and by doing so allows a longer smoke grain for longer burns. to give you an example of what the slow burn compounds produce there is a clip on the web site www.flamelesssmokegrenades.com that shows orange smoke. now the speed of the burn can be increased and we are doing that now. but the m-18 can with the new sugar based smoke will not foot the bill for sky diving. the best we could get with a fast burn in the m-18 was 30 seconds using a full pressed 12oz. can of smoke compound. we will have the new casing ready before long so if you need a extended burn be prepaired to change your way of thinking as to how the smoke cartridge looks. most of you are probably used to seing the old school m-18 can but the m-18 smoke you may have used before also had a very different smoke compound.

email me with prices and quanity. [email protected] if the price is right we may be interested the fuses.

cold smoke is nothing more than a term used to move a product. trust me we produce smoke. the compound only burns as cool as the magnesium carbonate will allow. the casing is the key to cold smoke. the actual compound can burn in a considered cold temp but the heat comes after burn out. this is because most casted or pressed compounds have a core that enables the smoke compound to burn from the center out to the casing. most smoke grains of any size require a core or the heat destroys the dye during the burn,when this happens you will see a lot of color in the begining of the burn and the color slowly fades out ferther threw the burn. baking soda is used to controle flare ups this is comon on china made smoke fountains. 2 grams of baking soda per,ounce of smoke comp stops the flare up and a few extra grams of magnesium carbonate will keep the inner temp down for the dyes to do what they are expected. another note all cold burning smoke uses magnesium carbonat other wise there would be only a few seconds of color at the begining of the burn. magnesium carbonat is what causes smoke compounds to burn cool enough for the dyes to work,no mag,no color. what stops the mag from spiting out during the burn that depends on the type of binder used in the smoke compound. old school compounds use sugar binders. thes type bunder also works as a fuel during the burn and will not hold the mag from sputtering out with the smoke. what will work is accetate binder,this is a plasting type binder and is non flamable so it will hold the mag together during the burn. this keeps those hot ashes from burning threw your chute. when you buy smoke try to get a msds sheet and read it,it should list the bunders used in that smoke,avoid sugar binders for your chutes sake.

thanks jim o-ya jim will be the soul distributor for sky dioving M-18 smoke. my last post was to get jims attention. i lost his contact info. all inquiries will be sent to jim the same way they were before. thanks again jim for reading and contacting me.

NON-ENERGENTIC COMPOUNDS FEDEX GROUND

just letting you guys know that we finnaly are in production with the cold smoke flame-less M-18 we just started seaming the M-18 this morning. colors are violet,red,orange,green,yellow,white,blue. 27 each 60 second burn 30 for 2 minut burn. flamelesssmokegrenades is the web site. contact me direct,shipping by fedex ground

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contact jim from liberty skydiving he may be able to help you with brackets. he will also be able to help with m-18 skydiving smoke grenades.

only if they use energenic compounds. this came direct from Richard D. Tarr Acting Chief, Approvals Office of Hazardous Materials Special Permits and Approvals boston bural

the only type of m-18 that requires ATF licences are energentic compound products. if the composition including fuse igniter formulas are of non entergentic these are classed as 1.4g signal smoke and can be sold with out requiring a ATF licence.

we will do that. its funny with some manufactures,they tell you how good their products are but they wont refund a defective unit. they may sell a little cheaper but what good is it if it doesent work and they wont give you the money back or even a replacement. they rely on the fact that there are only a few places to buy them. so what happens when a better product comes along from some one who will refund the defective product. we take over and they fold...

good one. we havent started production on these yet.we are still setting up. li8berty team will be the dealer when the time comes. if they are good enough for the u.s.navy land search/rescue you should be happy with them also.

the problem with the smoke if two things. first the delay was manufactured to burn two slow and the second problem was there was not enough oxidizer in the mix causing a slower burn.

Grenade (with fuse): Model .............................M-18 Body ..................................Sheet metal Weight ...............................19 Oz Length ...............................5.75 in. Diameter ............................2.50 in. Color...................................As required by MIL-STD 129 Packing .............................. 16 per case box. Filler: Type ..................................Smoke composition Weight................................11 Oz Fuse: Model(s) .............................M201A1 of similar Type ................Pyrotechnic delay igniting- trade secret Primer.................................trade secreat..................Delay time .........................3 seconds Weight................................19 oz Length ...............................3.9 in. Color...................................Gray or olive drab w/ black markings Safety device .....................Pull ring and safety pin 2-min burn,70,000cf

now there is a m-18 smomke grenade available for civilian use flame less smoke grenades .com

slag not always true. it depends on the binder or should i say if a binder us used in the smoke blend. if a good binder is used in the blending process then the binder will hold the burnt composition in a solid mass durring and after burn. this stops the compound from spitting sparks or ash during the burn.

we are not interested in shipping demos. and have desidded to let ASL technologies handle all paintball related smoke. so the price for the M18s will be set by them.

i developted the new m18 and i was hopeing for some input in regard to the price that i had listed. my thought was 14 plus change but i have no idea as to what you or another member would pay for the m18. these wont be ready til after the new year as they are still in testing. you tell me what whould they sell for 14 plus change or would the buyer rather pay 35 bucks each. if you have used or bought them before you should have a good idea as to what a fare price would be. when these are ready to go i could charge 30 bucks each but i would not be able to sleep at night. give me your input

yes well somewere on one of these threads somebody mentioned that an m18 was selling for 35 to 45 dollars each. and unless you are educated on the fact that you no longer have to continue to be ripped on with high prices you will never know will you. and one more thing i may have listed the price but they are not for sale so in fact i was not advertising now was i was stating what they could be sold for. this world is run by the dollar and when someone finds a demand and has the product to fill it the chances are 98 percent that they will do their best to pull every buck they can out of that product.