Chris-Ottawa

High wingloadings are part of it, but the majority of the canopy's speed is from it having an extremely low angle of attack, which is created by "shortening" the front risers using a trim mechanism similar to paragliders, except on the front risers. They open with the front risers at full length, pull the trim tabs to create a high angle of attack (read: speed) and then the wingsuiters come in. When they're low, they release the trim from the risers and land the canopy as normal. *Edit to correct the AOA (High vs Low) "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey SaeHo, I'm in Ottawa and as an example, I setup complete rig this spring for $1800...INCLUDING an AAD. Everything is fairly new and recent gear (no 1985 reserve etc, everything is 2001+). The point is, if you're patient, there are great deals to be found. This also happens to be a great time of year to find gear. If you want to run anything by me, feel free as I am more than willing to help you out and I am also a rigger. Send me a PM if you're interested. Later! "When once you have tasted flight..."

To check it off the "to-do" list....then, I just had to come back. Now, I just can't stop...skydiving is unlike any other sport I've ever done. It is ALWAYS on my mind and I get stressed out and my mind is lost if I don't jump regularly. "When once you have tasted flight..."

I highly recommend reading this: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3894693;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread It's really a great thread and will answer your question for you. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Out of curiosity...could the same effect not be reproduced by breathing into a bag with maybe a tiny inlet to let a controlled amount of oxygen in? Or how about getting a large airtight box, hook up your old hoover from the garage, grab you alti, hop inside....and wait. I'm not sure a vacuum would accomplish the same effect as hypoxia, but for some reason I'm thinking altitude = vacuum. Regardless, you'd eventually run out of oxygen in the box and mission would be accomplished. Oh...and just found this, they make units for your home, business etc..: http://www.hypoxico.com/ "When once you have tasted flight..."

Go on.... "When once you have tasted flight..."

Some interesting replies, thanks everyone. I'm in the same boat myself and I would have never jumped a packed rig if I didn't know the seller/rigger. I did but my first rig before any inspection and it checked out. Maybe I was lucky? When I had my first repack on that set of gear, I trusted the rigger who did it. The second repack, I did myself (with all of 35 jumps). It was done as a side by side with my rigger. I did this because I was curious on exactly how it was different from a standard packjob. 3 years later and I now have my riggers rating and wouldn't dream of jumping a packed reserve (from someone else). Still, interesting to see that 13% of jumpers would have no issue with this. Now, to swing this around, something I just thought of is this: You're at a boogie, you have a mal, gear is in the shop and you were supposed to be on that 40 way at sunset. Joe Boogiegoer says "Hey, take mine!" I bet 90% of jumpers would jump that "foreign" gear without question, and only 10% would pass it up. Interesting to consider that the numbers would be completely flipped, but the situation hasn't really changed... "When once you have tasted flight..."

I agree FULLY. I suspect the 2 answers will be split, but after only 4 votes, I'm second guessing myself already. I figured, most experienced jumpers would repack simply to inspect, and because you don't know who packed it etc... Less experienced jumpers may not, because that's $60+ towards jumps, "the seller said it was good to jump", they don't think a rig could be damaged in transit/intentionally/by mistake etc... "When once you have tasted flight..."

Purely out of curiosity. I was just browsing the classifieds, and noticed most people are selling their complete kits and offering a free repack, or using the fact that the reserve is still in date as a selling point. Not that it's not a selling point, I had just suspected that it was standard practice to get it repacked before jumping so it was sort of irrelevant in my eyes. I'm curious what is typically done elsewhere. **If you mark "Other", please...fill us in.** Thanks! "When once you have tasted flight..."

100 jumps, fully elliptical canopy, first jump on it, I'm guessing there was a downsize in there too and you're thinking this is a packing error? Sucks to hear you lost gear, but I think it''s been said more than enough...you jumped...you pay. 500 jumps and the only jumps I haven't packed myself are my first 4 student jumps, my tandem, and my reserve ride. I guess I just like knowing that if something goes wrong, I can only blame myself. Now, if he packed you a stepthrough, or something that was an obvious rigging error...I'd be having a chat with him. Packjob or not....he/she is a rigger and IS responsible to make sure it is in jumpable condition. Their job is not to make sure it opens, or opens nicely, but they do have the obligation to ensure that they've packed the parachute in a way that allows it to function normally under optimal circumstances. "When once you have tasted flight..."

To be honest, I have no idea. I posted what I thought could have caused it in an earlier post. It's possible that it could have been an uncocked PC, but for my PC to pull he pin, extract my bag from a fairly tight, contoured container, and to release all the stows up to the locking stows( or somewhere near full linestretch) and then stop....would be a bit peculiar. Had this been a PC in tow, or a PC hesitation, I would have said ABSOLUTELY! Point and case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_fcX1YiWIU - Note the where-about of the bag during the issue... Causes aside, I've got a question. If you looked up and saw your PC and bag at linestretch, you saw your PC "collapsed", but the canopy was still in the bag, what is this called? In my eyes, that's baglock as well (caused by PC in tow), since regardless of the cause, the canopy is still locked in the bag. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Ah yes, my mistake, I clearly mis-stated the situation. For future reference, I'll count to thirty next time it happens to make absolute certain it is a baglock so I can say it was a baglock and the dorkzone.com members won't call my bluff. I'd just LOVE to see what exactly you do when you look up and see your bag at linestretch while you continue to tumble to earth. Some people have the most retarded comments... "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey man, I checked out my rig afterwards, couldn't find anything. I did another jump on it about an hour later and it worked as expected. I didn't change or "fix" anything prior to this next jump, not even replace an elastic. I can only surmise the following happening: 1) A single line, or potentially a bunch got wrapped around a stow that hadn't unstowed yet, essentially locking it in. This cleared when the bag tumbled/spun enough to clear it. or 2) Maybe a line got stuck inside of a grommet and again, cleared when it rotated enough to change the direction of pull. That being said, the grommets are pretty tight against the bag. I'm sure there's a million other possibilities, but I'll never know now. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey Slappy, Here's the thread about the pull vs squeeze method. It make COMPLETE sense because the canopy is fighting to get the linetwists out, and by puling them apart, you're really only countering what the canopy is trying to do. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3657394;search_string=A%20better%20way%20out%20of%20line%20twist!;#3657394 "When once you have tasted flight..."

You are absolutely correct, but like I said, the screen made sense to me, I just hadn't compared it to the manual, nor to my alternate unit. The screen showed the detected altitude (0 on the ground), and vertical speed (0 as well). That made sense to me when I saw "0" for both. When I had both units on, side by side, that's what triggered me to notice the difference. Up until then, I only had one unit and the screen I saw made sense to me. With the second one beside it, that's when I said "wait a second". The unit started normally and passed it's self checks as I expected it to, so I saw no reason to investigate further. I had no reason to believe it should have shown anything else. Yeah, I'm a dumbass for not checking a manual, but unless I'm triggered to believe there's a problem, I had nonreason to compare the display to what the manual said. And yes, I did read the manual, but by the time it was installed and tested, I must have overlooked that. "When once you have tasted flight..."

Aviacom already confirmed that it would work in this mode as well. And yes, it was the same rig... "When once you have tasted flight..."

Hey Bill, Just to be upfront, I added "which I guess the previous owner set it in" for clarity, after his unnecessary comment to prevent further accusations. In the original post I will say that the wording may have been unclear as to whether I purchased the unit new and it came like this or not. Either way, the accusation that was made was completely uncalled for and inappropriate. In either mode, there was nothing "wrong" with the unit, even if it had come from the factory in this fashion. Thanks! "When once you have tasted flight..."

While I appreciate that you were so thoughtful, if they haven't responded previously, what made you think they'd respond now? The fact that you're attempting to start something in a public forum? "When once you have tasted flight..."

Yes, they seem to be posted on the net. What exactly are you trying to accomplish by hijacking my thread? "When once you have tasted flight..."

I can see how that could have been read, but at the same time, I didn't say, "I just recieved my new Argus from Aviacom and the configured it incorrectly and tried to hide it when I posted it on dz.com". I simply stated that the person who QA'd this product (when it was new) replied directly to my question. I found that nice to see that the company was on the forums and took the time to answer my question, that is all. But thanks for clarifying before bringing out your personal opinions! "When once you have tasted flight..."

As far as I could tell, I used it in that configuration for all the jumps I did on it, but truthfully, I have no idea if it would have fired. I expect it would, simply based on the fact that it's likely used to verify that the device reads the same pressure as a test chamber. Brings up a good question though, maybe Willem could confirm? "When once you have tasted flight..."

What a stupid comment to make, why did you even bother posting? Clearly, you know all the details surrounding the incidents and the thoughts of Aviacom and the other interested patries, right? How about you just keep our mouth shut as this has nothing to do with anything else. The unit wasn't purchased new, so it wasn't Aviacom's fault. I purchased it from someone in Australia, used. So, why don't I give you his email and you can tell him that he fucked up and was trying to hide something. Go read some more posts in the forums and take another unfounded stance on something else... "When once you have tasted flight..."

I just recieved a PM from the same person at Aviacom that QA'd this specific unit (when it was new), and he very promptly gave me the resolution. It was somehow set in a "logging" mode, or "diagnostic" mode which I guess the owner prior to me had set it to? I'm sharing it so if anyone sees this on theirs, they can resolve it quickly. To put it back to normal, do the following: "Menu (click) - Info (click) - Jump (click)- Info Level (click)" and it should diplay " 1 ", wait for an arrow down, press the button once till " 0 " is displayed; press the button once when "Valdate", and afterwards "Confirm" is displayed. "When once you have tasted flight..."

So, I recently equipped both of my rigs (Mirage/Wings) with an Argus. Everything is fine, I understand the reasons why they were banned, and I am confident enough in the product that I have no issues jumping it. Anyways, that's not what this is about. I hadn't actually noticed this until yesterday as I guess I never really thought much about what the screens show on each unit. They both just went to a screen that looked correct to me and I never looked at them side by side. My question is to determine which screen, or maybe both are OK, or is one indicating something to me that I should be concerned with. 1) Completes startup sequence and indicates "STANDARD" (The mode it's in) 2) Completes startup and goes to a screen indicating what I believe is the detected altitude (ft) and descent rate or offset (I can't recall what the measurement is, maybe m/s, indicating descent). Both read 0 on the ground I don't believe that either of these screens are incorrect, but I haven't seen much info on it and while I didn't look incredibly hard, I didn't see an option to switch it either. Any ideas? "When once you have tasted flight..."

Small regular elastics all around, including locking stows. Never double wrap. Canopy is lined with 500 HMA if you're curious, so the stows are not overly tight. Edit: I should also say that I did 2 other jumps after this, one on another set of gear, and when I felt a bit more relaxed, one more on this same set. Worked as it always had the last 200+ times. Nothing looked out of place, no broken elastics, no line burn, nothing. "When once you have tasted flight..."