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I agree that the graph shows a large increase in A licenses relative to the other three licenses. I'm relatively new and I'm not really sure why that is. The ideas below are more along the lines of evaluating some of the reasons that have been suggested. The suggestion was made to compare this to population, and I think this meant the population of the United States (which is relatively easy to find) and not just the total count of USPA members. For the "better economy = more jumpers" idea, you could compare this against something like the Dow Jones industrials, or average salary (possibly in real dollars), or something like that. Another idea might be to put the Y axis (license numbers) on a log scale. This lets you compare the percentage change rather than the absolute change. The X gridlines (month/year) looks like they're using default intervals calculated by Excel. It might help readability to adjust this so that they each correspond to January of some year. Five years between gridlines might be a good spacing - currently it's about seven. If you'd be willing to share the spreadsheet with the raw data in it, I'd be happy to create some of these graphs. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I don't know him, but I know _of_ him. Skydive Radio talked to him; in addition to jumping he also is a dropzone chef. One of the up-jumpers where I jump has also told me a Scotty Carbone story. I have to look into the statute of limitations before I repeat that story. :) Well, the one in the middle isn't too bad-looking, but I usually go for younger guys. :) I guess I should come up with a picture for this thread... Here's my entry in the "Stupid Skydiving Faces" thread from a couple of months ago. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Not to mention it looks like you bought a scratch-'n'-dent airplane... it has no wheels and the wings are attached a few feet too low. For the OP, this might be a way to make some money. They even have wireless Internet, so you can post here while you cash in! Seriously, I afford my habit the same way some other people have mentioned. I have one car that is almost 6 years old and another that is about 32 years old. The computer I'm typing this on is 11 years old. In the living room I have a 19" CRT TV that used to belong to my grandmother. In the kitchen there are lots of fine Great Value and Sam's Choice brand items. I will also add my voice to the chorus of boring old farts who are sitting around with onions on our belts: finish school! Change majors if you have to - at least half of the people I know who went to college did that - but get through it. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Probably a transient thing, but I just got a couple of database errors - about 0615 CST (1215 UTC) on Friday 1 Dec. The first one I got was A fatal error has occurred: GT::Session::SQL (20788): Could not connect to database: Too many connections at /home/dropzone/dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/admin/GForum/Authenticate.pm line 418. Please enable debugging in setup for more details. I reloaded and got that message again once or twice, and then I got a different one: A fatal error has occurred: GT::Session::SQL (22959): Could not connect to database: Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.101' (111) at /var/home/dropzone/dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/admin/GForum/Authenticate.pm line 418. Please enable debugging in setup for more details. OK The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, [email protected] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. I reloaded again and all was well. Probably not related to the problem, but an observation from the second message: it looks like maybe the database server and the web server are two different machines. Interesting. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

In all of stratostar's pics, and in AggieDave's DZ.com formation pic, there's a dude with what looks like purple dreadlocks coming out of his helmet. WTF, over? Eule (edit: speeling problem) PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Wake up at DZ after staying up too late the previous night, hear winds howling, elect not to get ready for an early load, stay in bed. Hear first load depart. Several minutes later, hear manifest on the PA announcing 1) wind hold and 2) request for volunteers with cars to go pick up Otter 1, all of whom landed off. Then one day I actually believed the winds aloft forecast myself, went on an early (the first? Can't remember) load, and got out at the end of the runway, expecting to land about a half mile north and a quarter mile west. I actually landed off, about two miles north and a half mile west. Note that the "winds aloft" at 3k, 6k, 9k, and 12k are a FORECAST, not actual reports. If you are in the central US, you can get radar observations of the winds aloft at http://www.profiler.noaa.gov/npn/profiler.jsp?options=full . Many of the defaults are wrong for jumping - _make sure_ you change the speed from meters per second to knots. 10 m/s is almost 20 knots, so this one is important. Other useful settings are time left to right, temperature in F, max height 15000 feet, and height above ground level. http://www.profiler.noaa.gov/npn/interpretData.jsp is a sample plot with comments. http://adds.aviationweather.gov/metars/ will translate the METARs and TAFs for you if you click the "Translated' button. A METAR is a current report that includes interesting things like the winds and the cloud heights. A TAF is a forecast. You can get METARs for a lot more airports than you can get TAFs for. To use either of the above, you have to get used to 24-hour Greenwich/Zulu/UTC time. You can look up the exact offset for your location, but a decent approximation for the continental US is that Greenwich is six hours ahead. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I agree that we're getting pretty far afield from wind tunnels. On the other hand, if I send you a PM, nobody else has a chance to see if I'm bullshitting you or not. :) The short answer is: does the solar cell factory run on solar cells? The long answer is that saying "it doesn't return the energy it takes to produce it" is a simplification of "it returns more energy than it took to produce it, but not enough more energy to pay for the other costs." You might read this, particularly the section titled "Photovoltaics" on page 6 and 7. Those numbers pretty much agree with (and may have come from) PVWATTS version 1. These are the BP 3160 panels, right? They guarantee 152 watts per panel, so that's 66 panels for the full 10 kW - about 891 square feet and 2180 pounds, or about 2.45 lb/ft^2 extra load on the roof - something like two to four inches of snow. You must have a pretty big roof if you have about 9000 square feet for the entire 100 kW array. Looking around the Web, the BP 3160 panels seem to run around $700-$750 (2006 dollars) in small quantity, depending on who you buy them from. The national average residential price of electricity in 2005 was 8.4 cents per kilowatt hour (2000 dollars). To convert the price of a panel into 2005 dollars, I used the calculator linked from here, to get $677-$725 in 2005 dollars. Then I can use the same inflation data as the national average data to figure that the panel would cost about $604-$646 in 2000 dollars. So, if you just took the money you were going to spend on one panel and handed it to the power company, you could buy somewhere between 7.1 and 7.7 megawatt hours of electricity. The above quick calculation assumes that the installation labor, any maintenance labor, and the inverters and control gear are free and never break. It also assumes that if you have to finance this, you can do it at zero percent interest. If any of those assumptions aren't true, then you could buy even more electricity from the power company. It also assumes that you will always use all of the PV electricity locally and never sell any back to the power company - if that's not true then the PV gains somewhat. There are some bigger issues that don't yet always come into the equation for retail consumers, like emissions. It could be that Xcel is taking "pollution credits" for your PV installation and sharing some of the love via the rebate. Mostly though you have to be willing to pay more for "cleaner" energy. I'm not saying that paying more is a bad thing, just that it is something that you should be aware of. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Some general comments. Everything else being equal, for the same volume/weight, diesel fuel and its friends (Jet-A, kerosene, etc) have more chemical energy in them than auto gasoline and its friends (avgas/100LL). Note that in ground applications, the people that buy _a lot_ of fuel and could run anything they want use diesels exclusively: over-the-road trucking, railroads, boats, etc. One of the things that isn't equal is weight. All piston engines compress the fuel-air mixture before burning it. Diesel engines compress it about two or three times as much as gasoline engines, so they have to be built stronger, which usually means heavier. They also tend to run hotter than gasoline engines, so they are most often water-cooled - more weight again. On the other hand, the requirements of the automotive industry have resulted in much better engine controls and fuel systems, which can get the same power as older designs out of a smaller and lighter engine. The European automakers, in particular, have been working hard on diesels - they don't rattle, they don't smoke, they don't smell bad, and they give the same performance as a gasoline engine. These engines are starting to trickle into the US and I suspect they will become fairly popular in cars; this is definitely not your father's Oldsmobile with the infamous GM 350 diesel. In response to some specific points in this thread: Another approach I have seen is to have, say, a 10 gallon tank of WVO and a 1 gallon tank of petrodiesel (normal diesel). You start the engine on the petrodiesel and let it warm up. The exhaust heats up the WVO tank and lines, and when it's flowing well, you switch to the WVO. At shutdown, you switch back to petrodiesel and run for long enough that it's all petrodiesel in the fuel lines, then turn the engine off. In case anyone is wondering, WVO is Waste Vegetable Oil, aka the stuff that McDonalds cooks fries in. Yes, if you run it in an engine, the exhaust smells like McDonalds. Biodiesel is just vegetable oil that hasn't had fries cooked in it yet, and petrodiesel is the standard stuff made from Barney the Dinosaur. I have worked on a project that runs BD20 (20% biodiesel, 80% petrodiesel) in a modern European diesel engine with an absolutely stock fuel system and it works well. On the other hand, this engine never gets higher than about 3 AGL, and also hasn't been tried in North Dakota in January. I completely agree that light aircraft will mostly be running something other than 100LL in the future. But I wonder how you figure that autogas won't be available. Are the cars going to be on diesel too, or something else? Hmm... You don't have an ignition system (distributor or magneto), but everything else is pretty much the same. If anything, compared to current piston engines, you add moving parts, including a water pump - not a big deal - and turbochargers, which spin at approximately 12 bazillion rpm and are a very big deal. The automated engine controls should help enforce kind treatment of the turbos, but it's still something you don't have on (many) gasoline engines. There's not much jumping content in the above, but I work in this area in my day job, so it's an interesting discussion to me. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

AUW to... AVL 754 mi AAC/L1 and/or FA Pigeon Forge DEN 844 mi SV Colorado BOS 948 mi SV New Hampshire MCO 1226 mi SV Orlando E60 1442 mi SV Eloy LAS 1468 mi FA Las Vegas L65 1655 mi SV Perris LHR 3882 mi SV United Kingdom and/or Bodyflight Bedford So the answer seems to be North Carolina for L1 or Flyaway (which is actually just across the border in Tennessee), or Colorado for SkyVenture. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Probably it seems big to me, because I'm used to the amount of energy an "average" house in the US uses, and haven't worked with larger installations. In the summer my house might use 1.1 MWh over one month, whereas a tunnel cranked all the way up could probably burn through that in a couple of hours. Another factor may be that even though some people realize it takes more power to turn a bigger motor, they don't realize that "1 horsepower" is just a funny way to write "746 watts". Take three-quarters of the claimed horsepower of the tunnel motors and that's the minimum load in kilowatts you would expect *IF* the tunnel was running full blast. In reality you can probably add 10-20% to that number for losses in the VFDs and motors, but you also have to take a large chunk off of that number for the fact that the tunnel doesn't run at full blast all the time. You probably already know this, but photovoltaic solar power is often a net energy loss - it takes more energy to make one solar panel than the panel will put out over its lifetime. The efficiency is improving all the time, but it still has a while to go before it can break even. Things like tax breaks and guerilla solar can make the money side look better. There are some applications where it's great - mostly places that are a long way from the nearest power line, like a geosynchronous orbit or halfway up a mountain. I think other solar applications, like solar hot water, actually do work out from an energy point of view. It probably varies by state. I know in some states, large customers can get power on an "as available" basis - it's really cheap but the power company can shut it down on relatively short notice. Some of the quality of service stuff is probably handled informally; if the substation for the baseball stadium craps out, there might be less of a sense of urgency than if the substation for the hospital craps out. Sounds reasonable to me. Thanks for the informed reply! Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

You're about 21 beers short, and they're not (all) for you. You will learn all of this in time. :) I had the same kind of conversation with my other half and it was no problem for me to go jump, but I maybe wasn't as clear as I could have been that I wanted to jump more than once. The second time I went to jump I was asked why I was up so early on Saturday and I said "I'm going to go jumping." Response: "What? AGAIN?" We talked some more and it's all cool now. That's a good hint. :) I am really fuzzy on this, but I _think_ maybe some of the military-sponsored jump organizations train students at a commercial DZ near the base. The military pays for most or all of it but it doesn't happen on base. Anyway, if it's around, _somebody_ at your base should know about it. You might also ask about it when you call the nearby commerical DZs. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

BEER! I second skymama's recommendation to check out a few different dropzones before picking one out. This isn't a knock on any particular dropzone (I live nowhere near Florida) but is just a way for you to find a place that you like the best. You need to be pretty comfortable with the whole situation before you go jumping out of a plane. :) So far, I've hung out at six different dropzones (and jumped at two of those) and they're all different. Some of them have bigger planes and more staff, but even the small ones that all have a Cessna 182 and three or four instructors just "feel" different from one another. I don't know about the Navy, but I'm pretty sure a few Army bases have sport parachute clubs for servicemen. These are for fun jumping, not for jumping as part of your job in the military. I understand that these are often cheaper than privately-run dropzones, so you might ask around and see what might be available on base. Something that I am less sure of, but that I have seen discussed here: I _think_ you might have to get some kind of sign-off from your CO to jump on a regular basis, or at least tell them about it. (Cue standard jokes about "damaging government property".) Again I am very fuzzy on the details, but I know I've seen some discussion of this on dropzone.com. I'm pretty sure there are current members of all the services here, so they might be able to give you better advice. Depending on the instruction type, that's either a pretty good (IAD/static line) or amazingly good (AFF) price. You might verify that it includes all 25 jumps that are the minimum for an A license, rather than just the initial 7-10 jumps it takes before you can jump by yourself. With any type of instruction, there are a lot of people that sail right through without any repeats and get their license in the minimum possible number of jumps. Then there are a lot of other people (like me) that have so much fun on a certain level that they do it a whole bunch of times. :) So don't freak out if you have to repeat a level. (Of course, every time I say this, a bunch of people post that they were born in freefall and got their license in five jumps, or something. :) ) If you haven't found them already, you might like to read the "five steps to getting started" articles and the glossary for further explanation of finding a DZ, training methods, etc. Welcome! Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I agree with JohnRich; let 'em brag. (Of course, I don't have my A yet, so I _would_ say that. Never ask a barber if you need a haircut.) By the time they get to the later stages of training or get close to their A-license, many of them have already discovered that bragging to whuffos only gets you a bunch of "can you breathe?"/"birdshit and idiots" type replies, so IMHO it's nice to have jumpers to brag to. As far as it being the only thing in General right now... this too shall pass. Give it about two weeks and half the new threads in General will be about taking your rig on a commercial airline flight over the holidays. Then a short round of "here's the new rig I got/bought for Christmas/ Yule/ Hanukkah/ Kwanzaa/ whatever", followed by gritching about it being too cold to jump for a couple of months. Then lots of posts about getting current again, and more n00bs asking how to get started. It's all part of the natural ebb and flow. :) Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

A quick test shows that a 256-color 65x75 Windows BMP (a straight bitmap, not compressed in any way) is only 6178 bytes, so you ought to be able to make a JPEG file at least that small. Most standards-conforming JPEG implementations offer finer control of the image quality (often a 1-100 scale). Most of them also offer some other options for the JPEG encoding that can reduce the file size. You might try GIMP, which is freely available for Linux, Mac OS X, and legacy operating systems. If the picture originally came out of a digital camera (still or video) or a recent scanner, make sure you are _not_ saving the EXIF data with the image. This is a header that has the date, time, exposure length, f-stop, etc from the camera - not too many bytes but every one helps. The EXIF header often also contains a small thumbnail of the whole image - it's only maybe 5 kb, which is no problem compared to the 400 kb - 800 kb JPEG coming out of the camera, but is bad when you're trying to reduce the JPEG to 10 kb. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

qisini spammed five forums; four of them have already been caught but there's still one in "Skydivers with Disabilities" here. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Hmm... ... Here it is. 29 August 2005. "I commented to the instructor [....] that one day I was going to manage a good freefall and a good canopy ride on the same skydive." In other words, you are me, at about this same time last year. I passed AFF 7 on my 46th jump, after starting at one DZ, jumping a while, going to a tunnel, jumping a while, going to a different DZ, going to a different tunnel, and returning to the first DZ. Nobody had "the" answer. The two tunnels and the two DZs provided pieces of the answer but I had to put it all together. Before I started jumping I did some research. I read this site, other Internet sites, and read a book. After I had been jumping for a while, I decided that about 95% of the "skydiving for n00bs" stuff is pretty much true. The 5% or so that I disagree with is the explicit or implicit assumption that absolutely everybody gets their A license on their 25th jump. I know a couple of people that did that, but I also know many more that took 30 or 35 or more jumps. (Cue someone posting that they were born in freefall and/or in the tunnel and got their license in four jumps - never fails. :) ) My point is, don't buy bowling shoes or golf clubs just yet. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Congratulations! But I don't understand something: Most people at this point would want to sell the truck, forget buying another car and buy a bicycle instead, and put the proceeds towards more jumps. Are you already through that phase or did you hit the lottery? :) It's a good thing that it gets dark late in the summer and that the local DZ is only open on the weekends. Otherwise I'd have been knee deep in "Cut your d-mn grass" notices from the city last summer... Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

No, I don't like it that much. However the local Coca-Cola bottler has invited me for a ride on his new boat that was funded by my steady support of his business. :) In reality, I am on the ground, looking at the sky, and waiting for some paperwork to come through before I get back in the air. If I go outside for too long in the daytime I'll get in the car and if I do that I'll drive to the DZ and if I'm at the DZ I'll probably put on a rig and get in the plane and if I'm in the plane I'll probably just fall out of it. So I stay inside and geek out instead. (At this point the good people of this forum tell me to go to a tunnel - the problem is that the tunnel is ~12 hours away but the DZ is only ~0.75 hour away, and I have to go past the DZ on the way to the tunnel...) Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Do any of the tunnels hold off on flying if, for instance, there is a thunderstorm and the lights have been flickering a bit? Also, for the amount of power a tunnel buys, I would think they might be able to negotiate a decent service level agreement with the electricity company. On the other hand, though, that kind of agreement might only say something like "if we need to shut off your power to work on the grid, we will give you X hours notice and only shut it off between 1 and 3 in the morning" and not say "you'll never get a glitch". I agree that at tunnel power levels, having a backup probably wouldn't be cost effective. You probably wouldn't use a motor-generator set, as those take a few seconds to fire up and it sounds like those seconds could be critical. You'd probably have to make a giant UPS with batteries and static inverters. On the back of an envelope, the batteries wouldn't be super expensive - assuming a 1200 hp tunnel, you could probably buy enough car starting batteries to do it for US$15,000 or so. (This is the wrong battery for this application in every aspect except price.) You'd also get to build a battery room for four tons of batteries and deal with some hazmat issues, like the hydrogen that batteries make when charged. You'd also get to replace them every three to six years. The inverter would be the real killer - based on $/watt for "small" consumer-type inverters up to 7 kW, the inverter you need would cost at least US$250,000. Probably more since this is not the kind of thing that Acme Inverters can sell thousands of at Wal-Mart. I think I've seen a number thrown around in this forum of about US$1m for a SkyVenture tunnel, so the UPS would add 25% or so to the total (capital) cost. Alternatively, you could stick that much money in the bank and just hand it to somebody if they get injured in the tunnel due to a power cut, or use that money to pay for a few years' worth of a decent liability insurance policy. You might be able to do it cheaper IF the first thing the VFD does is rectify the incoming AC power to DC. You'd still spend about the same amount of money on batteries, but hanging the batteries on that DC bus would eliminate the need for the inverter. You'd still have to add some charging and switching circuitry but it wouldn't be nearly as expensive as the inverter. Since this is "inside" the VFD, though, you'd probably have to involve the VFD manufacturer if you wanted to have any semblance of a warranty on it, and they'd probably have a non-trivial NRE charge, at least for the first one. I think what you are talking about is having the operator turn the knob on the control panel down to zero. Go downstairs and trip the main breaker for the entire building and see what happens. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

The site has been updated. There are 92 dropzones listed. I had Sylt listed under the Netherlands, which was wrong, so I moved it to Denmark. (The location on the map was correct, I just had it listed under the wrong country in the index.) I noted that the Lake Wales entry is for the Florida Skydiving Center. I also added the entries from evh, blu, and KindredSpirit. I'm still working on the ones from the "Pink" folder in divinglog's list. PesadillaK: I couldn't do anything with "cl-08-14-06-592800442.kmz". If this is something you've saved on your computer, you need to attach it to your post with the "Browse..." and "Upload attachment" buttons at the bottom of the post reply. Thanks! Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice. I broke my left tib/fib this spring and asked my orthopod if it would be a good idea to drink a lot of milk. He said "Sure, if you like milk", but that it wouldn't help the healing that much. If I remember correctly he said that the body gets a fairly steady amount of calcium from food and that it doesn't go up that much if you have broken bones, and that if you eat more calcium than your body can use you end up peeing it away anyway. I am not a doctor and this is not medical advice. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

It seems reasonable to me that new jumpers and experienced jumpers get heart rate peaks at different times. I wonder if it's different again for AFF instructors? I would guess that they might have a higher heart rate during freefall on a student jump as compared to a solo jump. I would further guess that they get some rate spikes during freefall if the student starts doing odd things. [pedantic]I think you can lose weight very easily while skydiving. During the ride up in the plane, just have the pilot put the plane into a steep dive - you can lose as much weight as you want that way. Going to the gym and working out is good for losing mass, though.[/pedantic] Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I think I understand the situation better now. One reason why I was curious about this is because on the site, I am trying to put the school/club/operation name together with the city/airport/dropzone name. It seems like a lot of jumpers like to refer to just the city name ("I jump at Springfield") or just the club/operation name ("I jump at Acme Skydiving"), and it is simply assumed that people know that Acme Skydiving is in Springfield. There are probably a few relatively large DZs where this is true - most US jumpers probably know that Skydive Arizona is in Eloy, for example - but there are lots and lots of smaller DZs and one person can't keep track of them all. By listing both names together ("Acme Skydiving, Springfield, Hawaii"), I hope to make it easier for people to find the dropzone that someone else is actually talking about. Listing things this way gets more interesting when the mapping of schools/clubs to DZs is not one-to-one. Thanks for the replies! Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

[MODS: I'm not sure whether this is better in "General" or "Events and Places to Jump" - please move as appropriate. Thanks!] In compiling the Google Earth placemarks for dropzones at this site, I have come up with a general question for people outside of the US. In the US and Canada, it seems to be pretty common that the hangar where the plane and rigs are and the place where you jump and land are right next to each other, and that jumpers refer to the whole assembly as a 'dropzone'. If Acme Skydiving is at the Springfield airport, the plane takes off from Springfield, you jump out over that airport, and you land near the Springfield runway someplace. A slight variation is that you land in a field a mile or two (two or three km) away from the airport and ride back to the airport. From some of the non-US/Canada entries (particularly Australia and to some extent Europe) it seems like there are many more hangars where the plane and rigs are than there are places where you jump and land. Only the place where you jump and land is referred to as the 'dropzone' - the hangar with the plane and rigs is the 'parachute club' or similar. Acme Skydiving might be at the Springfield airport and Yoyodyne Skydiving might be at the Bugtussle airport. The Iconium dropzone is at some third location, several miles (several km) away - Acme's plane takes off from Springfield and flies to Iconium to drop jumpers, and Yoyodyne's plane takes off from Bugtussle and flies to Iconium to drop jumpers. The jumpers then get a ride back to Springfield or Bugtussle. Is this at all accurate or am I totally confused? It seems like in general the landing areas wouldn't be really far away from the dropzones, because then you couldn't get very many jumps in a day. On the other hand, I've visited less than 1% of the dropzones in the world, so I don't know everything. Another variation, that I think I understand better, seems to be some "roaming" jump planes (eg Pink Skyvan in Europe) visit some airports that have a regular jumping operation, and some other airports that only have jumpers when the "roaming" jump plane is there. Thanks! Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

The site has been updated. There are 87 dropzones listed. I have added most of the dropzones from divinglog's list, except for the ones in the "Pink" folder. brettski74 and IanHarrop: I got Skydive Burnaby moved to its proper place. At least I got the right country this time; the last time I misplaced a Canadian DZ, I put it in Florida. :) ypelchat: Apparently there are two DZs at Lake Wales - Florida Skydiving Center and Freefall Adventures. Is your mark for one or the other, or is it just for Lake Wales in general? divinglog: There is a folder "pink" in your list - these are all DZs that Skydive Pink/Pink Skyvan jumps at, correct? Many of the dropzones listed have details like the landing area, outs, hazards, etc, and some just have a mark where the DZ is. If you see a DZ that just has one mark, and you know some details of that dropzone, please don't hesitate to make and post a more detailed file. I will combine all the files for a particular DZ to show as many features as possible. Thanks! Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.