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This is the very same attachment, but as PDF instead of Powerpoint. Just so more people can see it. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

The site has been updated. There are 166 dropzones listed. I added the Kansas dropzones from skydived19006 and CPI from tomleone. I also messed with better ways to present the files and I think part of the problem is that the server isn't sending the right Content-Type header. I don't know if that's the whole problem, though. I have sent an email to the server admins about it. For those of you just tuning in, I am collecting all of the files posted in this thread and putting them online at the above site. At that site, you can also download one file that contains all of the dropzones that have been posted so far. Keep those cards and letters coming! Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

N00b alert! What's up with those boots? They look like they've got two-inch platform soles on them. Did you wear them to the disco later that night as well? Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

FWIW, I've seen this done in other parts of the US as well. I was recently on a trip and stopped in at a regional GA airport and a local DZ had a notice like this up on the bulletin board. I don't know how well-read that board actually is, but it seemed to be fairly full of ads for airplanes, current EAA meeting notices, and stuff like that, so it appeared to be pretty popular. There are scanned versions of the current sectional charts at Skyvector.com; this will help you find nearby airports. Looking up the airports on AirNav will give you the contact details for the airport manager, the FBOs (airplane gas stations) at the airports, etc. You might call ahead if you want to talk to a human when you visit in person; some airports always have somebody there and some are 9-to-5 places. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Do you let Firefox accept all cookies (no windows pop up saying "site wants to set a cookie") or do you pick and choose? If you have told Firefox to only keep dropzone.com cookies for the current session, that might be part of the problem. To check, Tools menu->Options->Privacy icon->Cookies tab. Make sure "Allow sites to set cookies" is checked. Click on the "Exceptions" button and if www.dropzone.com or dropzone.com is in the list, make sure it says "Allow". "Allow for Session" or "Block" won't work. Also on the Cookies tab, if the "Keep cookies" drop-down is set to "until they expire", that's OK. If it's set to "until I close Firefox", that won't work. If it's set to "ask every time", that will work, but you'll get a window whenever a site wants to set a cookie. This is probably not the problem, but you might want to make sure the clock on your computer is set to the correct time and date. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

The answer is an unqualified maybe. It might depend on the time since the injury or any number of other factors. Only the insurance company knows for sure. The simple (but possibly incorrect) answer is: You're screwed. I, personally, didn't understand the significance of COBRA coverage (basically, expensive insurance for when you're not in a group plan) and went without it between jobs once. I was able to get on the group plan at my new job but it was not a simple process. The HR people told me that if I'd had COBRA coverage, I would have signed up a couple of papers on the day I started work and that would have been it. Maybe. I don't completely understand how it works, but I _think_ the insurance he has is a "group" policy, even though individual people that aren't getting insurance through their job can sign up for it. Probably the best way to get a specific answer is to call up the insurance company directly and ask. If you're really paranoid, call from a pay phone, or pay cash for a pre-paid cell phone. :) Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Note that I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. In these United States, you can be sued by anyone, at any time, for anything. The suit may not go to trial or result in a judgement against you, but you have to deal with it until it comes to some resolution. Another great thing about the United States is that there's not one law - there's usually at least 51 of them. However, a good landshark could probably have some fun with 18 U.S.C. § 1030 and 18 U.S.C. § 1043 at the Federal level. If you're in California, California Penal Code Part 1 Title 13 Chapter 5 s 502 would apply - and it specifically mentions denial-of-service attacks. Skyride probably hosts their Web sites at multiple places, but if any of them are hosted in their home state of Georgia, then the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, Title 16, Chapter 9, Article 6 probably applies. Besides the California and Georgia cops, 18 U.S.C. § 1030 says that the Secret Service can also get in on the fun. There's probably enough interstate commerce to invite Flowers By Irene to the dance, as well. (But don't mention that thing about their old boss dressing up in drag. They don't like to talk about that.) Note that I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. (Those in the legal business will find this painfully obvious, because I didn't make all the right § and ¶ and ‡ thingies for the state statutes.) Put numbers on both of those things. Face? Medical examiner says "injuries consistent with a fist fight", doctor says "yep, that guy came into the ER and I sewed him up", hospital accountant says "we charged him $X for the visit". Easy. Image? Hmm. How exactly do you show that the image of skydiving was damaged in the amount of $123.45? But in the legal world, all you have to go by is the legal definitions. Some of the definitions are based on moral standards, but that doesn't mean you can pull in whatever other moral standards you like. Mostly the moral part is between you and your rabbi. Note that I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Follow that line of thought far enough and you'll end up on North Greenwood Avenue, Tulsa, Oklahoma. Or maybe 200 NW 5th Street, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. I think there are things being done, and they will work in due course. Besides the courts, IMHO, the best thing to do is to vote with your feet. Ask your DZO if he or she takes Skyride certificates. If the answer is yes, politely tell them that you will be finding another place to jump, and then do it. It sucks if that means you've got to drive four hours to jump instead of 30 minutes, but that's life. If you're thinking of jumping out of town or at a boogie, find out if the DZ you're going to takes Skyride - if they do, don't jump there, and politely tell them why. Whatever other faults DZOs may have, most all of them can add or are employing someone that can add. If taking Skyride certificates becomes a net loss, they'll stop taking them in a heartbeat. And their lawyers. How's that go? "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law". Maybe you'll understand when you're older. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

So we've got two situations here: 1. Somebody punches me in the face. 2. A company puts up several fradulent Web sites. As amazing as it might seem, I think these are different enough situations to warrant different responses. I'm working on my taxes and it occurs to me that we could save a shitload of money on cops, prosecutors, attorneys, judges, so on... fire all of those people, and get together once a week to decide who needs to get stomped and go stomp them. Some countries already have a system like this - see here or here for how well it's working. Prosecutor up for re-election? "Local Prosecutor Fights Cyber Crime Ring" looks nice in the paper and sounds good on TV. Alternatively, Skyride just calls up Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe and files a lawsuit against John Does #1 through #1000. They've already got the records from their hosting company and a few lawyer letters will get them the logs from your ISP. So, not only do you lose your connection, you get to hire an attorney and pay him five jump tickets an hour until either the case is resolved or somebody runs out of money. And once you've burned through all of the broadband options, it's easy to pack up your stuff, move, and do it again! Hooray! Maybe you'll understand when you're older. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I got the following spam in PM from bodyflight-ist. I've posted in the wind tunnel forum, but I haven't talked about buying one. wind tunnel for sale From: bodyflight-ist Date Sent:Mar 13, 2007, 9:52 AM Hello Sir, We have seen your message at dropzone forum . Have you bought the wind tunnel in UK ? If not do you still interested to buy wind tunnel? We are manufacturer and seller of wind tunnel in Istanbul , Turkey. We manufactured new model quiet and fan driven. If you are interested you can have touch frm our mail address. [email protected] Thank you , have a nice day, Atilla ALTINSOY Carnival Organization Maybe I should write back and ask why Constantinople got the works. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I understand this. But the debate of "I don't want my personal info stored in a database/on a computer because it can get stolen" vs "There are lots of other ways for somebody to steal your personal info other than from the database/computer" came up earlier in this thread and that's what I was responding to. I’m not a new kid on the block, but thank you for your concern. I'll take that as a "no", then. Software is nice in that if you don't want to learn from past mistakes, then usually all you will end up doing is wasting a lot of money and/or time. If you take the same approach to jumping, you can save money... you can get a full-page ad in Parachutist that you don't even have to pay for. Caution: religious debate follows. If you're not a computer geek, you might want to skip this part. Don’t be ignorant. What!? The Golden Knights really do want me on the team? Cool! Where do I go to get measured for my jumpsuit and rig? Right. That's why lots of Web sites are still running on IIS 1 on NT 4.0, or Apache 1.0 on a Linux 1.2.x kernel. MCSE, CCNP, A+, LS/MFT. Apparently Microsoft has changed the "playbook" a little since I took the exams; the version I had took had a slightly different set of guidelines on how to discredit anyone who suggests a non-Microsoft product. I didn't say that consumers would have to pay the licensing. What I did say was (emphasis added). By you I meant you, the developer of the software. I understand how this system works and I understand that a dropzone or a gear manufacturer who wants to use SkydiveSecure doesn't have to pay for any licenses. But somewhere there is a server with the "master" database containing all the personal data and you, as the developer, have to have licenses for that server - either ones you pay for directly on a co-located server, or ones that are included in the price of the service on a server managed by a hosting provider. You are counting on those licenses to either be a one-time cost or a recurring cost that doesn't increase too much over time. Now this part of the playbook hasn't changed at all. End of religious debate. Non-geeks start reading again. This is the entire reason why the service will become a not-for-profit consortium. In the event that fees would ever need to be charged, it would be consumers of the service themselves who would have to make that happen. SkydiveSecure will never charge any service fees for as long as it is operated by RealSkydiving. That's easy, then. Sign up "enough" clients (DZs, manufacturers, gear stores, whatever) and then spin off SkydiveSecure into its own company that is free to implement new policies. I'm not saying that you WILL do this - I am talking about things that COULD happen and that potential customers might object to. Go to any DZ that's big enough to have a formal "accounting" system where both jumpers and the people that work there can put money on account to pay for jumps and services. Walk up to the packers and tell them, "Look, I'm getting ready for a meet and I'm going to do lots of jumps this weekend, so I'm gonna need lots of really quick turns on my rig, and I want to take care of you guys." This should get their interest. Then compare the reaction you get when you say "I'll pay cash" vs "I'll put the money on your account at manifest". This is one of the objections you will have to "putting everything on the computer". Again, this may be more of a RealDropzone thing than a SkydiveSecure thing. Granted, never going out to eat or to a bar _would_ save you a lot of money. Perhaps you could provide updates and corrections to this list. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Go here. LHR goes in the first box. LAX, PHX, or MCO are good choices for the second box. :) Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

All, Thanks for the updates! I will get them added to the site in the next few days. I will also see if there is a better way to present the files and links so they work better with Google Earth. I've been a little behind on updates because I got a wild hair up my ass that directed me to go to Eloy for a week and get some jumps in. :) Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Don't fight abuse with abuse. Or, if you don't like lofty ideas, read your ISP's Terms of Service. Or, if you don't care about having to use a different throwaway dialup acount each week, maybe read the state and federal statutes about computer crime. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Some thoughts after reading the thread... When people object to having credit card (or similar) information stored in yet another proprietary "trust us, it's really secure" database, a common response is "yeah, but your waiter can steal your credit card information too." I agree that the waiter can do that, but he's working at retail...on a really good night he might get 20 cards. When somebody steals the developer's laptop (that contains a totally unsecure copy of the database for development purposes), he gets access to thousands or millions of cards. Have you ever read the RISKS Digest? If not, run, don't walk, to that site and start reading. I also wonder how many jumpers you can get to use this. It's true that jumping attracts a lot of younger people who are completely used to using computers for everything. This may be even more so at the big DZs like Chicago, Eloy, Perris, etc. Out in 182-land, though, I think there are a lot of jumpers that have a more tenuous relationship with technology. At a lot of small DZs, you could go into the video room, unplug _one_ of the A/V cables on the editing rig, and basically shut down video production until the one guy that understands how to hook up a VCR can come in and fix it. The product names have CamelCase so the product _must_ be cool. :) This is kind of a religious issue, but I gather that the software runs on Windows. This does set you up for having to pay whatever license fees Microsoft dreams up. There is also a security problem there; I figure sites running on Linux or BSD might not be secure, but sites running on Windows are _definitely_ not secure. I realize the odds of you suddenly deciding to port the software are about the same as the Golden Knights calling me to fill a slot on their team, though. :) As much as I support free (as in beer) software, businesses can be shy of it. I can see a DZO wondering what there is to stop you from giving him free access at first, then when he's used the service enough to know he likes it, you suddenly start charging $1000 a month. I wonder if it might not help to charge participating businesses $20 a year or some similar low fee, maybe with an agreement that this rate is fixed for three years. This might be more of a RealDropzone thing than a SkydiveSecure thing, but a fair bit of business at DZs is done in cash. Now I'm sure that everyone is careful to file all the forms and report all their income, but one or two people might figure that having all this financial data online might make an easy target for a bored IRS man. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Having recently filled out a waiver ( time jumping at a DZ far from home), I got to think about this again. I'm happy to put down that I've got Ti in my left leg and I wear glasses. For meds, I usually put down the three antibiotics that I'm allergic to, because I figure that's where the problems would come from if I was given emergency medical care and wasn't able to tell someone about it. In my wallet, behind my driver's license, I do carry a piece of paper with medical and contact information. That one has _everything_ on it. I don't usually have my wallet on me when I jump, though. (I started keeping that info in my wallet several years ago when I went on a trip out of the country, well before I started jumping.) When I broke my leg jumping, I was conscious throughout, and was able to tell the nurse about all the allergies, conditions, etc. Also, somebody at the DZ got my wallet and made sure that it got to the hospital shortly after I did. When I first moved to Oklahoma from Texas, I went to get a new driver's license, and the OK application asked about several types of medications. I was pretty sure I wasn't taking anything they cared about, but I asked my doctor to be sure. He told me that I wasn't taking anything on the list and that even if I was, he would advise me to simply not mention it on the application, as he felt that they had no need to know. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I had thought about jumping off and on for several years, but in the spring of 2005 I started thinking about it seriously. The first place I went was Google to look up local dropzones; I pretty quickly found one that was ~15 minutes from my house, another that is about an hour away, and some that are further out. I also found dropzone.com and checked the reviews of the dropzones. I looked at the DZ's Web sites and pretty much had the two closest DZs on my short list; if everything else had been equal I would be jumping at the closest one. Also, I knew that I wanted to start with AFF 1 and not a tandem. One Friday afternoon I decided to go check out the close DZ - I knew I probably wouldn't be able to jump that afternoon unless I did a tandem, but I just wanted to check the place out. It was slow and they had just got done jumping for the day, but they invited me to look around, hang out, ask questions, etc, which I did. I felt that my other half might not be exactly thrilled with me jumping, and one of the questions I asked was how to deal with that situation if it came up. Also, I didn't know anyone at that DZ and none of them knew me, but one of the DZ staff decided it was a perfect time to start telling ethnic jokes - he didn't get the memo that not everybody who "is an X" also "looks like an X". I laughed politely at the jokes instead of calling him on it. I left that place and quickly decided that there needed to be a certain level of trust between me and the people who are going to throw me out of an airplane, and that I wasn't going to be able to trust at least some of the staff. The next day I went out to the DZ that is about an hour away. I did the same thing - just hung out and asked questions. I asked the same question about handling the other half's reaction and got what I thought was a more mature and reasoned answer than at the first DZ. Also, nobody decided to tell offensive jokes to someone they had just met. I started to understand what was meant by "vibe". I called the hour-away DZ a week later and booked my FJC. I turned out to be a slow learner, so I've done lots of student jumps - the close DZ has missed out on thousands of dollars. :) On a slightly different note, the hour-away DZ is now my home DZ and a couple of weekends ago I was talking to the owner. He was talking about the various ways he advertises and he mentioned that he was considering a smaller Yellow Pages ad, as he felt that his Web site had largely replaced it as far as attracting new customers. His take was that younger people are a lot more likely to look on the Web than to look in the Yellow Pages to find a business. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I've never been to Perris. I wanted to go to Arizona in the summer of 2005, as it would have been the closest tunnel yet to me (I'm in Oklahoma). But they didn't open until later in the year, so I ended up there in January 2006. I wanted to go because I was getting through AFF very slowly. I did 15 minutes one day and 15 minutes the next and came home and my jumps were much improved. I was just out there again and did jumps and tunnel time and the tunnel time again improved my jumping. If you're trying to save money, you can stay at the bunkhouse at the DZ or even camp in a tent. If you're there for several days, it is helpful to have a car (or a buddy you can ask for a ride) to go into town to get groceries, etc. If you're coming from Oz you will most likely fly into Phoenix; Eloy is about 1-1.5 hours south of Phoenix depending on traffic in the metro Phoenix area. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

The dropzone listings on this site should tell you what DZs are near you. You might also ask at Skysurfer.com.au, which has mostly jumpers from Oz and NZ. Despite the name, they discuss skydiving in general there, not just skysurfing. If you end up with a choice of DZs, it might be worthwhile to go to each one and hang out and check them out. You may find you like the "vibe" at one DZ more than another. Welcome! Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

[airplane_geek]You did a tandem from a helicopter?[/airplane_geek] :) Welcome! Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Did you break a lot of stuff? I know somebody that broke his right leg (tib/fib) with no insurance. The bills were "only" about $12K and he came up with the money. Then he tried to get insurance. What he ended up with was through "Golden Rule" - no coverage on right leg, but OK coverage otherwise. It is not a "high risk" plan so the premiums are sane. If you broke a lot of stuff, though, the exclusions might make such a plan pretty useless. Here in Oklahoma, there is a high risk pool set up by the state. Basically, you have to get rejected by two private carriers, and then you can apply for the state pool. The rate structure is pretty simple and only varies a little by age - you don't have to get a quote, you just look up your age on the chart on a Web site. The premiums are quite steep, though. You might check with your state insurance commissioner's office to see if something like this is available to you. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I was just at Eloy and they also have a loud mechanical bell. I don't think it's tied to the phone ringing; it seems like there was just a push button someplace so it could be rung at will. There is also usually a countdown on a computer monitor that is visible from inside the chamber, and the tunnel rats would also flag people down when their time was up. So, if the strobe lights might be a problem for someone, I don't think it would be a big deal to not use them for a session. The original poster may also want to inqure in the wind tunnel forum. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

Would something like this be helpful in this direction? It might also be useful to change the "if this didn't answer your questions, post here" to point to a specific thread rather than a forum, if there is a desire to keep the information mostly in one thread. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.

I don't have that particular subscription, but in general, you might check any spam filtering that might be between you and dropzone.com . If your ISP does the filtering, a rule change might be why the emails have stopped; often there is a way to tell them "this isn't spam" so you can continue getting the email. If your email client does filtering, you might check that the "from" address on the dz.com emails hasn't inadvertently gotten added to a "blocked senders" list or similar. Another diagnostic is to attempt to subscribe from an alternative email address and see if the emails make it to that address. Eule PLF does not stand for Please Land on Face.