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And Jo has been posting for 5- odd years that there are imminent revelations to prove her case. We've yet to see anything even approximating evidence. So? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Witch-ita Even we are infested with Halloween stuff here Kids have fun though! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Nevertheless...if a print matches one of the ones on the plane, or if DNA cannot be excluded from the samples on the tie, it would be a stronger link than anything we've seen yet. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Didn't they try get chutes from McCord first? I seem to recall Cossey was a second option ? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

And Florence told you this herself, did she? Or are you just making assumptions again and stating them as facts? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Remind me: did Cossey actually say he owned the chutes? I remember seeing words like "provided" and "supplied", which may just mean that he was in possession of them at the time the call came. Can someone also fill me in on why this is so important? Is it just a case of wanting to verify a fact, or does it somehow make a material difference to the case? (I understand the point that if they were to act as a bailout rig for a pilot this brings the hard pull into question, although a simple explanation to the pilot and maybe even a pull on the ground to ensure he could do it would suffice.) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Interesting to hear Carr was argumentative with you...the tone of his posts here was almost always good-natured as you say, even continuing to be unfailingly polite while Jo poured vitriol and anger at him, even as he went out of his way to address her questions, arrange DNA and fingerprint tests for weber, etc. Of course the only source of her anger was that nothing indicated weber was Cooper. I believe Jo is the only poster who is happy that he is no longer posting. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

+1 Yay! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Snow (via pm of course) got the brownie points... Why am I not surprised? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I suspect most would. It is a pity that those with valuable and objective information are not able to share it, or do so by proxy, while we are left with those who are just interested in promoting their own suspects .... Yeats springs to mind (10 brownie points for anyone who can get the line I an thinking of) (do you have brownie points in the us?!) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

If Blevins is back can we have Georger back please.... That was the deal after all. Georger has made plenty good contributions and I for one would like to see him back. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Didja all see this (not sure if I missed a link being posted here) - convenient thread on pioneer parachutes http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4201794;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

- got it! Yup, agree. Does lend an interesting twist....that CIA thought/suspected/knew but rivalry and possible egg on their own faces meant they kept quiet... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

This may give you some insight... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/could/ciafbi.html hangdiver If anything that link only confirms that there was no love lost between the agencies and makes it even less likely that the FBI would have kowtowed to the CIA? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Difference between not court martialling someone in SOG and directing the entire FBI to not find a crook, surely? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

What doesn't make sense to me about these types of theories is that the FBI spent so much energy trying to track down Cooper. If they knew who he was and had to hide it (if you like a conspiracy theory) why bother? Even if you had to look like you were doing something...it seems they would have gone over the top trying to cover up that they were covering up. Nah, doesn't wash with me. Farflung...is there a reason you left out Paul and Ringo? After all, Paul had.... Wings.... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Oh come on Jo. Somehow in 5 odd years on this forum, when you have spoken about the "deathbed confession" countless times, it never once occurred to you to mention Duane saying anything about jumping out of a plane until now? Sorry, I just don't buy this at all. I'm thinking wishful thinking is turning into false memory Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

So...are you saying that because of eye color the FBI will not consider a suspect with a different eye color...??? hangdiver Wasn't that their main reason for not bothering to look at Christiansen? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

OK, so. This is a combination of an idea planted by Snow and some of my own thoughts. (I know he has had some of this conversation with at least one other here) ...going back to eyewitness testimony. We know this can be flawed, and we also know there are disagreements in the Cooper case already (never mind the sketches - i refer to the suit being described as both dark brown and black, and the shoes being described as both loafers and ankle boots, for example). One eyewitness saw Cooper's eyes: Flo (according to Jo and I believe elsewhere). I understand this was after he had taken off his sunglasses. Is it possible that his pupils were dilated enough that the eye colour was misjudged? (eg Braden's eyes were blue, but of the blue that has a very dark ring around the outside. Wide pupil against that, and the eye as a whole could easily look dark.) Was there any description of his sunglasses other than the style? i.e. - were they cheap or expensive? I know this is a long shot re Braden (though one case of a mistaken eyewitness testimony is certainly easier to swallow than some of the stuff we have been fed here) but the general idea is intriguiing. If the pupils were very dilated, is there a chance the eyes were lighter than commonly thought? I understand 377 has kaiboshed this idea because pupils constrict again once exposed to light. However this doesn't always happen; could be drugs (though there is no indication Cooper was on drugs) or a medical condition (disease or trauma). There are drugs that are specifically designed just to dilate pupils i.e. this is not as a side effect of getting high (don't know if they were around back then) - see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dilated_pupil.gk.jpg referenced here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mydriasis as being due to one of these. A side effect of this (rather naturally I suppose) is photophobia. Which brings to mind again the question of why Cooper insisted on wearing his sunglasses almost all the time? Disguise? Or intolerance to light? Was the request to have the cabin lights dimmed due to this and not the commonly believed reasons? -either temporary or permanent light sensitivity? (on the offchance this is the case then Braden is out obviously, unless it was temporary or drug-induced.) Again - I know this is left field. But if you are seriously going to entertain conspiracy theories ranging from the utterly ridiculous to the completely unbelievable, this is very, very tame by comparison. (I've gone way beyond Snow's suggestions here by the way, so only blame him for planting a seed!) But I still think there is a valid point: with conflicting eyewitness testimony on various other things, we have only witness on the eyes. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

+1 (More proxy coming up when I have a few mins to get it together) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Exactly what did he say about jumping out of a plane? 15 minutes of talking is a long time. Give us your best recollection of what was said. 377 I do believe this is the first time ever Jo has "recollected" talk about jumping out a plane. Ted Strong - v sad news . Never met him but he was a legend of course. As for the other stuff this thread is going downhill fast again. Bit chillier behind the scenes but need a bit more time to examine that - Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jo, please, leave jerry's posts alone so he can do the same with you. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Interesting info from Bruce and relayed via 377... Thanks guys. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Also alleged to be involved in a truck hijacking ring though... Which is probably more lucrative than just driving trucks...and somewhat safer than being a gun for hire in the Congo (which was probably the most messed up of all the messed up African countries in terms of colonization/liberation fights/civil wars.... it still has not recovered from that legacy) Side note: Baby O turns 3 today

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