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Hey Bill, How yas doin? Ususally we do song night in December... 12 Days Of Jumping and all that... How's AT EAST doing? Any new members? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I found this in Dirty Ed's Lil Loafer Trailer which I bought from the estate in order to use ti for fishing in the Bishop Area where he and I used to fish.... I'll give the first verse and you guys fill in the rest. There was a young maiden of age fifty-seven Who drove a blank gore like you never seen before She drank and she cussed and she smelled to high heaven That Francine McFilthy, the Skydiver's whore NEXT Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

DOH! it could be on an indian reservation couldn't it! Anyone know any Indians? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

It's how Elsinore kept coming back. TIme and time again it was through the efforts of the locals and it was usually a club. Then some A hole would come along and buy it out and ruin it. Purple Patty knows how to do it. Gary Douris knows how. Ivan Henry knows how to do it. Chris Kelly and a host of others know how to do it. Let's see, What would we need? Looks like we would need four things. 1. Airplane 2. Pilot 3. Runway 4. Sky Divers Sounds easy enough.... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Both very good ideas. Sometimes I can't se the forest for the trees. I used to bandit jump all the time! I know LOTS of people with airplanes! What the hell was I thinking? And the wingsuit idea? PERFECT!!! I can pretend I'm a jet... Some of my friends used to belong to a little club known as the Black Flag Skydivers. Bandit Boogies! And yes our dear wonderfull Latins. I bet only about 10% of thier jumps are out of DZs... LOL! Pelone will be impressed. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I'm thinking the same way. I have other interests now and it just doesn't seem worth throwing my life away for anymore. Especially to one of these little A holes who want to kill you at 100 feet. Your friend is right. I watched yesterday as the spots got worse and worse and wondered if anyone was ever going to look out the door before they jumped again. The DZ management is sticking to thier guns on the thing where the first dummy down sets the landing pattern even if it's downwind and yet thier own SAFETY BOARD says just the opposite! When I questioned them about that they said they would just change the sign! Can you believe it? I think I'm about done myself... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

SO how many times does the altimeter have to go around before it's reading properly? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Like the pouch location.... Bellybands rule... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Hi Folks, This guy "Spark" contacted me and asked about this.... Anyone remember this? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

DOH! Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Here's a "Sparky" from a hang gliding point of view... http://www.theeteam.org/photos/dougpower.jpg Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Hi Jimbo, That would be one honorable Mike Owens. Also a member of Air Trash... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I'm back and I did take plenty of bait and beer. The night crawlers had a jail break in my Perry Armstrong Coleman Cooler and got into everything. I even found one in the very bottom when I got home and took it to the vegitable garden. Wonder if the 8000 feet of altitude change got to him? He was born in June Lake... I didn't get swooped by any crazy ski swoopers because nobody skies on June... The ski on Grant though and that's only 15 minutes away... Day before yesterday we got to play with some black bears in the Sierras. A mama and a yearling cub. That was fun... I'll have pictures up by the weekend. We slaughtered innocent fish and sat in the hot springs whilst drinking beer and thinking all bout you guys and gals and how sucky the weather is here and how good it was where I was at 8000 feet... I put some in a jar and brought it back with me.... So what did all you peeps do while I was gone? Did you know the jet is back? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I too am done with it in this thread. That was supposed to be my last post on the subject but I'll make this the last one. This is one that can't be talked away. Why just as we were discussing it 2 people screwed themselves into the ground over the weekend at our DZ alone. Ego.... You refuse to see that there is a problem... Money... The DZOs will continue to ignore it as long as you give him your money... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Goin fishin for about 5 days... See ya when I get back... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Bill,,,, This is beyond anything that has come along in progressive skydiving before. They do have the ego to support their ideas and the money too. This thing is not going to go away by just talking about it. People are going to have to die in record numbers to get the point across and these idiots will defend it to the death... It will take some heavy lawsuits to change things if the sport doesn't change it's own way of thinking. Just sit back and watch it happen... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Well I'm not kidding and YES you are right... They will always find a better way to kill themselves... Even under a good canopy... Dum Asses... LOL! Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Unfortunately, this almost always invlolves an innocent person as well.... I don't wish to be that person... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

OK Will do.... Who should I say is saying hi? Sorry I just know that you have been around for a hundred years but know not who you are. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Well he's gonna be out on the 30th to make a few jumps with us... Now how scared are ya?

Is this scary enough for you? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I have no idea what they plan on doing. All the property around us is for sale and the new housing tracts are coming down the hill at us fast, so who knows how long Perris will even be here. The runway is undergoing a complete refab as is one of the parking lots. The tunnel is going strong but who cares about that? So I guess they plan on being here for a while anyways. As I said. The management has always sided with the swoopers. I'm the one who gets yelled at if I change the patern to into the wind. These guys set the downwind patern in 10mph conditions... Plain crazy... I'm not going to follow them in like that. I try to out hang them when I can but now they want us belly fliers to get out first. They want everything and they get everything. The management here caters to all the stinkin little rich kids. I better go have a beer now.... The heat is getting to me... Sorry if I sound a little angry... I am old... I have old knees... I'd like to keep them working a while longer. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Here's a quote from the other discussion about this going on in the safety area.... Looks like a good plan to me if we could just get it implemented. By the way.... What ever happened to the "Warning Board"? For that matter, when was the last time someone was grounded for ANYTHING at your DZ. The last time anyone was grounded here was when an entire 4 way formation of "Head Downers" had Cypress fires. So I guess the only thing you can do wrong at our DZ is just about kill yourself. Ya know, if it weren't for Cypress, there would be a lot fewer idiots in the sport. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

FINALLY! Someone who speaks with sense and forthought. Your plan sounds great. I will now print it out and take it over to the manager of our DZ. I'm sure he will at least listen to this proposal as we already have a ‘tetrahydron’. Then he will most likely just tear it up and throw it in my face. That's the way things are done here. After all, it's a lot easier to just keep calling 911 than it is to solve the problem. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I had just taken the FJC myself when I heard the story. I didn't know it was happening elsewhere. Guess there are some pretty ballsy people out there. Cheap too... As I remember, my FJC was only $125 and it included 2 jumps. Here's one I witnessed though. A guy and his wife decided to take the FJC at Elsinore and were on the C47 load together when it was time for the wife to jump. The hubby was to be next. The girl jumped and her canopy got hung up on the tail wheel. This was because the door on the C47 was twice as wide as the previous DC3 and they were using the same static lines from that plane. Thus the bags were hitting the tail wheel and it was only a matter of time before someone got hung up. Well there was the whole plane load of students and experienced jumpers with the little woman in tow. Tom Sanders was on the load and filmed the whole thing. Larry Fatino and Tom were trying to give her signals to cut away but she just didn't get it. Just about the time that Larry had decided to climb down the static line and cut her away she got it and did it herself. The reserve worked fine but the main canopy, a T-10 was still hooked up to the tail wheel at the apex. So it was streamering. They made another pass at 2500 feet and all the experienced jumpers got out. It was very military looking except for the squares. Then the students were told to stay in the plane and assume crash positions. Well the plane landed just fine as did the little woman. The husband got off the plane and told his wife to get her things because they were outta there. She said "WAIT A MINUTE! I paid for two jumps and I'm gonna get two jumps". They cleared the paracute from the tail wheel and after a short break she went back up and did her second jump... I don't think he did either one of his though. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."