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That is precisely my concern. I have no control over someone elses decisions. Thus anyone with an A license can come along and take me out. And so as not to leave the experienced people out of the loop, anyone with a D license and 5000 jumps can take me out also. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

As I figured, except for the student with 12 jumps, all are being defensive about their choice to perform hook turns. The student wants to define a hook turn. He knows what a hook turn is so I won't bother with that one. He can't wait to start doing them. To the others, please remember that I am only comparing the inteligence of hookturning to the inteligence of low pulls. Just because you can get away with it many times doesn't mean you will get away with it forever. And from what I can see, there are many many more incidents involving hookturns than there ever were with low pulls. I figure it's just because we valued our lives more then. You want to kill yourself fine. Bring your own emergency services with you or make sure you have insurance so the rest of us don't have to cover your hospital bills through higer taxes. And do it far away from the regular landing areas so that we can keep our faces intact. There is no such thing as a safe hook turn. Just like there was never any such thing as a safe low pull. EDIT: Remster got his in while I was replying.. Good reply... It should be discussed. That's why I posted. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

If you have to ask, it must not be a good idea. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Ya know back in the day, we had a little extra fun for those who dared. We called it Low Pull Contests. The idea of course was to see who could pull the lowest and still live. Because of the amount of people who went in and killed themselves participating in this foolish game, the practice was banned. Being as how no one is perfect every time, and the fact that wind conditions change in split seconds, and also the idea that crap happens, I see no reason to continue accepting the practice of swooping and hookturns as "part of the norm". I believe that these practices are just too dangerous and not only for the person performing it, but for people on the ground as well. We had a hook turner who collided with a jumper standing in the LZ a couple of weeks ago. The lines of the hookturner's parachute hooked the person on the ground in the face and ripped his face clean off. It took 300 stitches to get this guy's face back on. We had another guy miss the swoop pond by a foot or two last week. He bounced into the pond after impact. He broke both femurs clean in half. The bones were sticking out through his jumpsuit. It was a real mess. He may lose his legs over it because of the infection he is now getting from the pond. Does this all sound like fun to you guys? Even better, does it sound intelligent? I know you all think it will never happen to you. We all thought the same thing with low pulls. I know that hook turns and swooping will never be banned or outlawed. But I do think it's about time that the DZOs take a little responsibility for their actions and start making some rules about these non skydiving extra carricular activities. I also believe that hook turns and swooping whould be done in their OWN AREA away from all the other jumpers. After all, I participate in the sport too. I don't want to be taken out by some 300 jump wonder who thinks he's ready for swooping. Just my opinion and I know that most of you are going to come back with something to the effect of, We know what we're doing!"... Well you are only skin and bones as far as the dirt is concerned. And guess what.... The dirt always wins. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Ol Farts was traditionally held around Halloween time. After all, it gets hot out here in the high desert too. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Ah! Thanks for sharing all that info about him. Glad he's not dead! Wish he would make some more films. I watched Wally Goes Tropical the other night... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Actually it refers to the sound the loose jump suits we wore back in the day make in the wind as a body gets closer to the ground. Sort of a ffffFFFFFRRRAAAPP! type sound.... You can do it with your lips.... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Info here. Funeral tomorrow the 25th... http://www.airtrash.com/ RIP Andy Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Well I don't think any of us saw this one coming. But I am completely sure in my mind that you know what you're doing. We will all miss you in the sky but don't forget us on the ground. There is only one way out of Air Trash and you ain't there yet. So remember that there will always be a place in the parking lot for you. After all, you can take the skydiver out of the air......but getting out of the parking lot is a whole new problem altogether. Blue Skies Mike! Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

OK Guys thatnks for th info... And the eye candy! Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Anyone know anything about a recent plane crash near Cal City? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Just waiting for his new email addy.. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Don Vredenburg left for Utah yesterday never to return to Sunny So, Cal. He will be missed by all who shoot at him. Hope we can go visit once and a while... Details at our website. http://www.airtrash.com/ Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Sounds like a good idea. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Was thinking the same thing... This is just what the guy said to the Bad Spot Driver when he was picked up. That's all I know but I will ask the instructor personally today... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I have a few.... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I stood up almost every landing under my RW PC. I grabbed the rear risers and pulled down at the time of touchdown. (or I might have actually been just pulling myself up) I always had my feet and knees together just in case though. So is that a flare? Probably not. LOL! Somebody jumped one here at Perris a couple of weeks ago. It was his first time jumping a PC. He opened at about 3500 and couldn't reach the toggles... Would you have chopped? He didn't... He landed way out there... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

That's all I needed to hear and I already knew where the story was going... LOL!!! Almost every story I have ever heard about Couch Freaks starts that way! Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

OH! Yes it is! Sorry about that... 25 jumps seems so far away to me now LOL!!! Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

While not exactly recent still a good story. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Same aircraft. There were 2 two ways in front of our 3 way and two 2 way student loads after us I believe. Gave it a good 8 seconds with no upper winds to speak of. I went by thier opening canopies at about 3500 and waved off as I passed them. I was in the saddle at about 2700.. High for me. As I think more about the dive we did have to chase a guy around a bit. Shouldn't have taken us off course that much though. Just glad I saw them when I did. Whether it was our fault or thiers or a little of both. (most likely) Close call... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Wow I was in that. Upper right on the second pic. That was great jumping with Bob again... Ya it's funny to see him coming in with little more than a rig on... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Ya to hell with the old days. At least we were well trained and actually thought about the other guy when sharing the air. How about some scary stories from today, or yesterday or last week even... Here's mine.... Tracked perpendicular to line of flight and saw a 2 way dumping right in my face. Got outta that one with the hair on my chinny chin chin... Where the heck did they come from? Don't know but it was kinda scary after I thought a little more about it. I saw them in enough time to track a little to the side. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Ya but the problem is getting to the ground in one piece without one of those idiots wrapping up with you while they zoom down right in front of me in a corkscrew fashion scaring the begeezus outta me and ruffling my feathers. Makes me want to walk on over there when I land and hand him a nice warm cup of my FIST! Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Come on out to Perris this Saturday for the DonV Appreciation Day and we'll see! LOL! Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."